Charlie Hebdo rejects Catholic support

[_Abyssinia]

The editors of the French satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo have announced that they do not want the support of the Catholic Church in the wake of a massacre at their offices in Paris.

In an editorial published in the first issue following the killings, the staff of Charlie Hebdo poked fun at some of the public figures who had joined in shows of public support. The editorial said:

What made us laugh the most is that the bells of Notre Dame rang in our honor. We would like to send a message to Pope Francis-- who also was Charlie this week: We will only accept the bells of Notre Dame ringing in our honor when it is Femen who make them ring."
(Femen is the radical feminist group whose members have staged topless demonstrations in several European cathedrals.)

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[Robyn_p]

Yep…Turns out they really are just jerks. Shocking.

Seriously though. These folks can’t even put aside their disagreements with Catholicism for one second and just recognize an act of kindness for what it is? Nope. Instead they have to give the Church the middle finger for daring to show empathy.

 

[AltarKnight]

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Any Catholic who is “Charlie” is plain dumb.

As HRH put it:

“I refuse to take part in a “republican sacred covenant” to defend Charlie” - STATEMENT BY HRH PRINCE CHARLES PHILIPPE OF ORLEANS:

"I will go against the tide of emotional propriety by separating me from the movement “I’m Charlie.” No, I’m not Charlie because I never liked that Manichean newspaper.

Charlie Hebdo is a vulgar paper, despising all opinions except its own, which, under the guise of freedom of expression, will allow provocative behavior to all. Charlie Hebdo is an aggressive newspaper that produces hatred of religions through its, supposedly, humor. Charlie Hebdo is the very image of the European atheist society which creates enmity and distress instead of respect and brotherhood among peoples and men, regardless of their differences, race, color, religion.

So I refuse to take part in a “republican sacred covenant” to defend Charlie because, simply, I do not understand what I have to defend.

I am neither disrespectful nor indecent and do not want to offend the memory of the killed cartoonists. Words fail to tell the horror of the attack that hit the newspaper. I condemn this barbaric act and present to families and relatives of the deceased my deepest condolences.

I denounce justly this sterile attempt to bring about national unity and I denounce the hypocrisy of the citizens who have never read this humor publication and who have always criticized the weekly.

To honor the victims, yes.
Honour Charlie Hebdo, no."

 

[Larry1700]

Yeah, I have mixed feelings about all of it. Murder, of course, is unjustifiable, and I feel sorry for the family and friends of the victims. However, several of the comments their editors made about Catholic support, etc., show that they have a deep-seated hatred of anything related to religion, even if it is simply a word or gesture of kindness. They are, indeed, hateful jerks.

On a side note, I’m curious. Does “Charlie Hebdo” have a meaning, or is it simply the name of the founder of the magazine?

 

[KendraDZ1902]

I only have nasty things to say, which would probably get me in trouble here. I will say they are rude and I hope that their company crumbles.

 

[PaulfromIowa]

“Charlie” is Communist. Catholics should have nothing to do with it.

 

[CaptFun]

“Charlie” is Communist. Catholics should have nothing to do with it.

New T-shirt

Je suis Charlie! ***crossed out

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Jesus! < (Charlie) pencilled in

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Backside of the same T-shirt

No need for bullets. Or more than this.

The terrorists (of course) are even worse - exponentially!

 

[CatholicWhovian]

Any Catholic who is “Charlie” is plain dumb.

As HRH put it:

“I refuse to take part in a “republican sacred covenant” to defend Charlie” - STATEMENT BY HRH PRINCE CHARLES PHILIPPE OF ORLEANS:

"I will go against the tide of emotional propriety by separating me from the movement “I’m Charlie.” No, I’m not Charlie because I never liked that Manichean newspaper.

Charlie Hebdo is a vulgar paper, despising all opinions except its own, which, under the guise of freedom of expression, will allow provocative behavior to all. Charlie Hebdo is an aggressive newspaper that produces hatred of religions through its, supposedly, humor. Charlie Hebdo is the very image of the European atheist society which creates enmity and distress instead of respect and brotherhood among peoples and men, regardless of their differences, race, color, religion.

So I refuse to take part in a “republican sacred covenant” to defend Charlie because, simply, I do not understand what I have to defend.

I am neither disrespectful nor indecent and do not want to offend the memory of the killed cartoonists. Words fail to tell the horror of the attack that hit the newspaper. I condemn this barbaric act and present to families and relatives of the deceased my deepest condolences.

I denounce justly this sterile attempt to bring about national unity and I denounce the hypocrisy of the citizens who have never read this humor publication and who have always criticized the weekly.

To honor the victims, yes.
Honour Charlie Hebdo, no."

I too have the same sentiment. Yet when I said that in one particular thread here they accuse me of blaming the victim. Seriously…

 

[CatholicWhovian]

Yeah, I have mixed feelings about all of it. Murder, of course, is unjustifiable, and I feel sorry for the family and friends of the victims. However, several of the comments their editors made about Catholic support, etc., show that they have a deep-seated hatred of anything related to religion, even if it is simply a word or gesture of kindness. They are, indeed, hateful jerks.

On a side note, I’m curious. Does “Charlie Hebdo” have a meaning, or is it simply the name of the founder of the magazine?

They are jerks. Ungrateful ones at that. One of the cartoonists says that the showing of solidarity is a big joke to him:

"We vomit on all these people who suddenly say they are our friends…It really makes me laugh. A few years ago, thousands of people took to the streets in Pakistan to demonstrate against Charlie Hebdo. They didn’t know what it was. Now it’s the opposite.”

SOURCE: cinemablend.com/television/How-Simpsons-Honored-Charlie-Hebdo-69404.html

 

[UpUpAndAway]

Yep…Turns out they really are just jerks. Shocking.

Seriously though. These folks can’t even put aside their disagreements with Catholicism for one second and just recognize an act of kindness for what it is? Nope. Instead they have to give the Church the middle finger for daring to show empathy.

This is what they do. It’s like South Park on steroids.

Note that I live in France and have had multiple opportunities to examine this publication at length.

The editors appear to have missed the point, and that is unfortunate. I fail to understand why it is so difficult to accept solidarity in the face of injustice even if we disagree on absolutely everything else.

 

[Columba_Tom]

On a side note, I’m curious. Does “Charlie Hebdo” have a meaning, or is it simply the name of the founder of the magazine?

Wiki has a section on this: “Charlie” came from Charlie Mensuel (“monthly”). (Charlie Mensuel was named for Charlie Brown from Peanuts –they were fans.) It was also a reference to Charles de Gaulle, whose death the weekly Hara-Kiri so offensively spoofed, they were closed down. That was 1970. Hara-Kiri effectively re-opened as Charlie Hebdo, (hebdomadaire – “weekly”).

Thanks for asking. I’ve been meaning to discover for a while.

 

[LongingSoul]

The editors appear to have missed the point, and that is unfortunate. I fail to understand why it is so difficult to accept solidarity in the face of injustice even if we disagree on absolutely everything else.

Ironically they seem to be just as fundamentalist as their attackers. They don’t have a sense of human solidarity or human communion. Their ideology suppresses their humanity.

 

[meltzerboy]

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Charlie Hebdo is an equal opportunity anti-religious magazine, which delights in satirizing and ridiculing Muslims, Catholics, and Jews. Of course, this IN NO WAY justifies murder on the part of Muslim terrorists. I think Pope Francis has successfully walked the tightrope in stating that murder, particularly in the name of G-d, is never justified and cannot be condoned, as well as stating that no religion should be mocked. Free speech and freedom of the press, precious as they are in a democracy, must have certain limits. The same is true for the freedom to bear arms. This is because the very principle of freedom carries with it rules and responsibilities; otherwise, democracy transforms into anarchy.

 

[Demetra2]

Yep…Turns out they really are just jerks. Shocking.

Seriously though. These folks can’t even put aside their disagreements with Catholicism for one second and just recognize an act of kindness for what it is? Nope. Instead they have to give the Church the middle finger for daring to show empathy.

I know. Wow! Their obvious disgust for anything religious even in the face of kindness and compassion is pathetic.

 

[Columba_Tom]

Ironically they seem to be just as fundamentalist as their attackers. They don’t have a sense of human solidarity or human communion. Their ideology suppresses their humanity.

Spot on!

The team at Charlie Hebdo seem to think they can have a say in who expresses what opinion. –The same thinking as their murderers’.

The ideas of these self-important cartoonists are utterly irrelevant to the ringing of bells by the good citizens of Paris.

 

[NeedsMercy]

Je ne suis pas Charlie ; je ne ai jamais Charlie ; je ne serai jamais Charlie. :dts:

 

[GaryTaylor]

Predictable, They have been warned, assaulted, warned, assaulted, warned and fatwa’d and finally murdered. And they still carry on. I feel sorry for them and forgive them. I’m not sure they missed any point, it appears all was intentional. The Pope chose to defuse the situation and they choose to escalate it and intentionally.

 

[St_Francis]

CH staff are idiots who think the protestors, et al, are supporting *them personally. *

Well, no, by circumstances not of CH’s making they have become a symbol for the freedom of speech which allows unity in disunity which characterizes the West, and which is what the protestors are supporting, not some nasty juvenile magazine.

 

[Vouthon]

CH staff are idiots who think the protestors, et al, are supporting *them personally. *

Well, no, by circumstances not of CH’s making they have become a symbol for the freedom of speech which allows unity in disunity which characterizes the West, and which is what the protestors are supporting, not some nasty juvenile magazine.

I agree, well said. The vast majority of protestors in France made it explicit that they did not agree with the character of the cartoons nor the bigotry entailed within it but rather were standing in solidarity with the victims of a horrendous murder which their provocative cartoons - legal under French law - did not warrant, distasteful as they are.

It was about defending the legal right to freedom of speech, the right to express one’s opinion without fear of being given in return a violent dehumanizing death.

It was never about glorifying the content of a bigoted leftist satirical rag of a magazine.

Fear of other humans is a form of slavery and Islamists, like all who wish to impose their conception of truth on others rather than open them up to its attractiveness through reasoned dialogue, want to enslave people by deterring them from holding opinions contrary to their own. 3 million French men and women, including Muslims, told them where to go.

 

[Dawnia]

Yeah, I have mixed feelings about all of it. Murder, of course, is unjustifiable, and I feel sorry for the family and friends of the victims. However, several of the comments their editors made about Catholic support, etc., show that they have a deep-seated hatred of anything related to religion, even if it is simply a word or gesture of kindness. They are, indeed, hateful jerks.

On a side note, I’m curious. Does “Charlie Hebdo” have a meaning, or is it simply the name of the founder of the magazine?

Charlie comes from their early practice of reprinting Charlie Brown cartoons.