Charlotte Catholic church will not host talk by Sr. Jeannine Gramick

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"Sr. Jeannine Gramick, censured for her opposition to Catholic church teaching on homosexuality and marriage, will not be allowed to speak at a Catholic church in Charlotte.

The Sister of Loretto was to have been the keynote speaker at a public program titled “Including LGBT People and Their Families in Faith Communities: A Conference Open to All,” scheduled for May 16 at St. Peter Church.

The program was organized by St. Peter Church’s gay and lesbian ministry and the Charlotte chapter of Parents, Families and Friends of Lesbians and Gays, or PFLAG, which is a group for parents, families and friends of those identifying as homosexual that is not associated with the Catholic church.

After he was made aware of Gramick’s expected appearance, Charlotte Bishop Peter Jugis directed Jesuit Fr. Pat Earl, pastor of St. Peter Church, to not allow her to speak at the church.

Gramick said she was never contacted by the diocese before it was announced that she could not speak at the church."

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_Abyssinia said:
Bishop Peter Jugis did the right thing.
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I agree. Though it did prompt another question. Can a nun be stripped of her habit so to speak? The same way a Priest can be defrocked.

No I am not suggesting that this be done to this nun, just curious.
 
SAVINGRACE said:
I agree. Though it did prompt another question. Can a nun be stripped of her habit so to speak? The same way a Priest can be defrocked.

No I am not suggesting that this be done to this nun, just curious.
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Unlike the priesthood, which is a sacrament that leaves an indelible mark on an individual’s soul, I don’t think “nunship” or whatever it’s called is permanent. That being said, a priest can be relieved of his priestly duties by a bishop – however, he is still a priest, sacramentally speaking.
 
SAVINGRACE said:
"Sr. Jeannine Gramick, censured for her opposition to Catholic church teaching on homosexuality and marriage, will not be allowed to speak at a Catholic church in Charlotte.
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👍

May the good bishop be blessed for his courage and fidelity to the faith.
 
SAVINGRACE said:
I agree. Though it did prompt another question. Can a nun be stripped of her habit so to speak? The same way a Priest can be defrocked.

No I am not suggesting that this be done to this nun, just curious.
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from Wikipedia:
“In 2000, her religious congregation, the School Sisters of Notre Dame, told her to cease speaking publicly on the topic of homosexuality. Sr. Jeannine rejected the request, stating publicly, “I choose not to collaborate in my own oppression by restricting a basic human right [to speak]”. After this, she transferred to the Sisters of Loretto, another congregation of Catholic women religious which supports her ministry of education and advocacy on behalf of the LGBT community.
In 2014, she was a signatory to an open letter to President Obama that urged him to expand U.S. funding of abortion services in foreign countries, currently prohibited under U.S. law by the Helms Amendment.”
Pray for her. And pray for the religious order that “protects” her. And I wonder about that Jesuit parish, what kind of ministry is offered there, considering their prudence in inviting her in the first place? Thank God for that bishop.
 
commenter said:
from Wikipedia:
“In 2000, her religious congregation, the School Sisters of Notre Dame, told her to cease speaking publicly on the topic of homosexuality. Sr. Jeannine rejected the request, stating publicly, “I choose not to collaborate in my own oppression by restricting a basic human right [to speak]”. After this, she transferred to the Sisters of Loretto, another congregation of Catholic women religious which supports her ministry of education and advocacy on behalf of the LGBT community.
In 2014, she was a signatory to an open letter to President Obama that urged him to expand U.S. funding of abortion services in foreign countries, currently prohibited under U.S. law by the Helms Amendment.”
Pray for her. And pray for the religious order that “protects” her. And I wonder about that Jesuit parish, what kind of ministry is offered there, considering their prudence in inviting her in the first place? Thank God for that bishop.
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Good Points 👍
Praying with you, that their eyes may be opened

Are not all religious orders bound to be obedient to their Bishops and the Pope? Is not the orders very formation contingent upon papal approval? If they are not bound, how could they be considered Catholic (that is in communion with the Church)? 🤷
 
commenter said:
Pray for her. And pray for the religious order that “protects” her. And I wonder about that Jesuit parish, what kind of ministry is offered there, considering their prudence in inviting her in the first place? Thank God for that bishop.
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Hopefully this good bishop brings the hammer down on this parish and pastor. The fact that a heretic was even invited to speak is outrageous.
 
ThankUJP2 said:
Good Points 👍
Praying with you, that their eyes may be opened

Are not all religious orders bound to be obedient to their Bishops and the Pope? Is not the orders very formation contingent upon papal approval? If they are not bound, how could they be considered Catholic (that is in communion with the Church)? 🤷
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Well, yes…
The issue is that religious orders are allowed a fair amount of autonomy. People figure out how far they can go, and constantly stretch the limits. In this case, there is an order of sisters, which is “protecting” one of their members (I wonder what other “apostolates” they are involved in). Whoever her local bishop is probably has to work through her congregation. There likely are other entangling issues involved. If she participated in an invalid “ordination” that would excommunicate her. But imprudence is harder to measure and censure.

Of course, the LCWR is probably advocating for the rights of her, and her congregation. In the long run, women who hold the views of this sister are not entering the convent at all. This problem will keep shrinking, along with the LCWR. But in the near future, the secular media will lift up her, and the Sisters of Loretto, and the LCWR, giving them millions of dollars of free publicity as prophets against the rigid, cruel hierarchy.

The issue with the men’s religious order is different. If that pastor defied the bishop and brought her in anyway, the bishop would have his provincial remove him from his pastorate. But it’s hard to canonically discipline the imprudence that would cause a parish to invite a proabortion advocate in the first place. Imprudence is hard to canonically sanction.

Whenever you hear about a speaker like this getting invited to a parish or Catholic institution in your city, write a brief, respectful note to the pastor or official of the institution, stating your opposition, with copy to the bishop. If the event is being advertised in your diocesan media, write a note to the editor, copy to the bishop, explaining why this is wrong. If you are an alumnus or parent of a student at the school, communicate that.
Keep it brief, **don’t ** denounce anyone, don’t list all the evils going on the past 50 years, don’t bring up other issues, don’t threaten anything, just keep it brief. With prayer first.
 
SAVINGRACE said:
I agree. Though it did prompt another question. Can a nun be stripped of her habit so to speak? The same way a Priest can be defrocked.

No I am not suggesting that this be done to this nun, just curious.
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A nun can be disassociated with her community. She can also be ordered not to give talks or make public appearances. Religious sisters are under vows of obedience. That’s why this stikes me as so funny:
Gramick said she was never contacted by the diocese before it was announced that she could not speak at the church.
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Why would she think she should be contacted? This is a matter between the pastor and the Bishop. Her role as a vowed religious sister is to obey.

Frankly, I wish the Bishop had also told the parish to disassociate with PFLAG. They support several anti-Catholic initiatives including fighting against Religious Freedom protections and advancing same-sex “marriage”.
 
SAVINGRACE said:
I agree. Though it did prompt another question. Can a nun be stripped of her habit so to speak? The same way a Priest can be defrocked.

No I am not suggesting that this be done to this nun, just curious.
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Religious are bound by obedience to their superiors. In the case of Sr. Jeannine, she HAD been banned by her superiors (School Sisters of Notre Dame) from speaking on the topic of homosexuality after the Vatican pointed out her doctrinal errors.

Her response was to leave the order and join the Sisters of Loretto, the Superiors of which have elected not to prohibit her speaking.
 
commenter said:
In 2014, she was a signatory to an open letter to President Obama that urged him to expand U.S. funding of abortion services in foreign countries, currently prohibited under U.S. law by the Helms Amendment."
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I find this even more disturbing than her stance on homosexuality. 😦
 
wild_thing said:
I find this even more disturbing than her stance on homosexuality. 😦
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I agree. Abortion and Homosexuality: when people slide on either of these issues, they inevitably slide on the other one too. This is part of the large scale rejection of the Natural Law. Keep in mind it is her religious community that makes this possible. They give her a platform, so she can call herself “Sister”, and thus gain more publicity. If we support her community, or publicize or promote it in any way, we indirectly support legal abortion and other things.
 
sps49 said:
Various issues with Sr. Jeannine Gramick have been known for years:

vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_19990531_gramick-nugent-notification_en.html
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Various issues with Sr. Jeannine have been ignored for years. For far too many years, she and others who disagreed with the Catholic Faith on some things were promoted, even in middle of the road publications such as Catholic Digest. They were invited to speak in too many parishes, too many Catholic colleges that should have known better.

Either naively, or intentionally, people were lulled by the mantra of “compassion for persons”, even to the point of setting aside Christian Faith. The problem is that when you bend the Christian Faith a little, it becomes easier to bend it a little more, so people like Grammick end up, later, supporting the right to crush the skulls of unborn babies. I am sure she never intended a few decades ago to ever support some of the positions she ended up taking; too many bishops, too many religious superiors, too many fellow sisters failed in their responsibility to her.
 
Courageous bishops will long be remembered throughout the church’s history. Nuns and priests with wayward views will long be forgotten.

That church is much better off without Sr. Gramick’s incorrect and non-Catholic viewpoints.

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My own bishop has spoken out courageously on Prolife, Marriage, and Religious Liberty. The problem is the middle management of the diocese, which includes hold overs from earlier administrations. A diocesan staff person distributed announcements publicizing, among other announcements that were beneficial, a promotion for a different sister who has nationally dissented on Pro life and Marriage. She is coming to speak in our diocese.

I am writing a letter to the bishop, trying to keep it short and to the point. I already cut out my complaints about other questionable speakers, in order to focus on this particular person, who is the most outrageous. I will need to pray again before sending, maybe will edit a little more. In my letter I do recognize all the bishop is doing.

I think a lot of bad stuff happens, sort of “below the radar”. Carelessness, a lack of attention, no one in particular intended to undermine prolife or marriage. But we have to intentionally and charitably do constructive things to set things right.
 
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