Charlotte Catholic church will not host talk by Sr. Jeannine Gramick

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My own bishop has spoken out courageously on Prolife, Marriage, and Religious Liberty. **The problem is the middle management of the diocese, which includes hold overs from earlier administrations. **A diocesan staff person distributed announcements publicizing, among other announcements that were beneficial, a promotion for a different sister who has nationally dissented on Pro life and Marriage. She is coming to speak in our diocese.
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Bishops need to clean house then. It’s better for a job to be empty than to have someone in it who contradicts the Faith.
 
EIF5A said:
Just out of curiosity, what exactly does the Mass for LGBT entail? Does the homily promote certain things contrary to Church teachings?
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I have on been to one, and it was by accident. The homily was “grey”, never quite promoting homosexual behavior but addressing the need to be more welcoming and tolerant.

The prayers of the faithful called on the government **and the Church **to open areas currently closed to people of all sexual orientations. To be fair, the prayers of the faithful also called on the Church to welcome women into the clergy.

At communion, couples were invited to receive together. Since this was the LGBT “Welcoming” Mass, most of the couples were same-sex.

This parish had Dignity listed in its bulletin and Baptism announcements with same-sex couples listed as “parents”.

The deacon wore a rainbow stole.

It was sad.
 
Corki said:
I have on been to one, and it was by accident. The homily was “grey”, never quite promoting homosexual behavior but addressing the need to be more welcoming and tolerant.

The prayers of the faithful called on the government **and the Church **to open areas currently closed to people of all sexual orientations. To be fair, the prayers of the faithful also called on the Church to welcome women into the clergy.

At communion, couples were invited to receive together. Since this was the LGBT “Welcoming” Mass, most of the couples were same-sex.

This parish had Dignity listed in its bulletin and Baptism announcements with same-sex couples listed as “parents”.

The deacon wore a rainbow stole.

It was sad.
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Hmm…and I thought my “liberal” parish was an anomaly…

I do wonder if people who espouse such things truly believe the Church/Magisterium speaks with the inspiration of the Holy Spirit or if the Church just makes up man-made rules and that if they don’t go with the “times”, they can be ignored.

Is the bishop unaware of that particular parish?
 
EIF5A said:
Hmm…and I thought my “liberal” parish was an anomaly…

I do wonder if people who espouse such things truly believe the Church/Magisterium speaks with the inspiration of the Holy Spirit or if the Church just makes up man-made rules and that if they don’t go with the “times”, they can be ignored.

Is the bishop unaware of that particular parish?
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No, Bishop Jugis is fully aware of this Parish and the Jesuits who run it. But like many diocese He must walk a tight line to keep the peace. As most of us know, and are seeing in San Francisco, being fully true to the Faith carries a risk of being attacked by the progressives and the secular media. This Bishop has already been attacked over an issue at one of the Catholic High Schools over the comments from an orthodox Nun concerning homosexuality. Pray for our Bishops! They need our support to carry the Cross and defend the Faith.
 
Pulvis said:
No, Bishop Jugis is fully aware of this Parish and the Jesuits who run it. But like many diocese He must walk a tight line to keep the peace. As most of us know, and are seeing in San Francisco, being fully true to the Faith carries a risk of being attacked by the progressives and the secular media. This Bishop has already been attacked over an issue at one of the Catholic High Schools over the comments from an orthodox Nun concerning homosexuality. Pray for our Bishops! They need our support to carry the Cross and defend the Faith.
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I don’t know the details about hierarchy and whatnot, but someone told me that religious orders have their own “higher-ups” apart from the Bishop. Do they not have a say in this? Can’t they order them not to deviate from Church teachings and lead people astray?
 
EIF5A said:
I don’t know the details about hierarchy and whatnot, but someone told me that religious orders have their own “higher-ups” apart from the Bishop. Do they not have a say in this? Can’t they order them not to deviate from Church teachings and lead people astray?
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Well, in the case of Sr. Gramick, her “higher ups” DID tell her to stop giving talks and making public appearances which espoused ideas that were dissident from Church teaching. Her response was** not** the obedience her vows required. Rather, she left her order and joined another one that was more lenient regarding her activities. 😦
 
Corki said:
Well, in the case of Sr. Gramick, her “higher ups” DID tell her to stop giving talks and making public appearances which espoused ideas that were dissident from Church teaching. Her response was** not** the obedience her vows required. Rather, she left her order and joined another one that was more lenient regarding her activities. 😦
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Then to whose authority is that other order under? At some point, don’t they all sort of trace back up to the Magisterium somehow…? Or maybe not…
 
EIF5A said:
Then to whose authority is that other order under? At some point, don’t they all sort of trace back up to the Magisterium somehow…? Or maybe not…
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No, it doesn’t really work like that. The Vatican sometimes will tell an order that it isn’t living out its charism properly or that its teachings have strayed from the truth (as happened after the visitations of the LCWR) but they don’t usually get involved in the discipline of individual members of the religious order. The local Bishop has authority on whether a religious sister can function within the bounds of his diocese. So, a sister could be prohibited from teaching in a Catholic school, serving on a board of a Catholic hospital (ths happened a few years ago in Arizona) or speaking at parish events within the bishop’s own diocese. But they can’t really force the superiors of that order to discipline one of its members.
 
If she continues with her activities, which violate Catholic teaching, and which the Church authorities have repeatedly called on her to stop, couldn’t she potentially face excommunication?
 
Johann_du_Toit said:
If she continues with her activities, which violate Catholic teaching, and which the Church authorities have repeatedly called on her to stop, couldn’t she potentially face excommunication?
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The problem isn’t individual, it is systemic:
from Sisters of Loretto website:

"In the Loretto tradition of ‘working for justice and acting for peace,’ the saints and heroes who struggle for equality and conscience were called to mind as well.

In the political and legal realm, those gathered sang the names of John Lawrence, plaintiff in the case that decriminalized same-gender consensual sex, as well as President Barack Obama and Attorney General Eric Holder, who have refused to enforce the Defense of Marriage Act.

"In the ecclesiastical realm, theologians Hans Kung, Charles Curran, and Margaret Farley were sung at the Vatican Embassy for their progressive views on human sexuality and the Vatican censures that followed. Bishop Thomas Gumbleton was intoned at the USCCB for his outspoken voice for LGBT rights within the Catholic Church.

Fittingly, Sr. Jeannine was included in the litany, along with several other women religious. The program described Sr. Jeannine in the following way:

“Loretto Sister who advocates for LGBT persons in the face of continual Vatican opposition.” (end quote, bold added)
The Sisters of Loretto are now rebranded as the Loretto Community, to broaden their financial and political base. They still bring in lots of Catholic donations, tuition, and other fees from their programs. They get lots of free publicity from diocesan newspapers, parish bulletins, etc. Laity can contact donors or other persons who support them or give them or their schools free publicity. Let them know that supporting the Loretto directly or indirectly is an attack on prolife.
 
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