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[MDK]

Please see your accusation below which is not true:

Provide quotes of where I have proclaimed anything above Christ. Now, you’ve edited it to say compared to Jesus. You are the one deceiving here. I will continue to pray for you.

Hail Mary full of grace the Lord is with you, blessed are you among women and blessed is the fruit of your womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death. Amen.

I find it hard to call you Prodigal as I know you from this board. I will pray for you, but it is following the idea that your faith may not fail and continue to be strengthened by Christ, that you will continue to speak the truth and defend the Body of Christ, which is the Church, the pillar and ground of truth. As we take forward into the world the official teachings of the Church which come from God and we are in communion with the Vicar of Christ, we profess our faith in God, and share in Peter’s role of confirming our brethren.

Speaking of truth, it would not matter one iota as far as credibility of the Church if 99% of Catholics left the Church, and 99.9% of the world’s population spoke against the Catholic Church. I would certainly be very concerned about those who denied what God had established. God’s Kingdom is not a democracy. The Church would still be the Body of Christ, the Bride of Christ, with Jesus as the Head and King with the visible head in the “Prime Minister’s office” currently filled by Benedict XVI.

 

[Vincent]

If you’d like an example of Catholic intercession check out Mass and the Liturgy of the Hours. There we pray to the Father, through the Son, in the Holy Spirit “for the salvation of all”, in fidelity to 1 Timothy 2:1-6.

We *also *ask each other in the Lord to pray **with **us and **for **us to Father, through the Son, in the Holy Spirit. At Mass this is especially evident in the Confiteor. *After *confessing to *God *our sins, we say,

*And *I ask blessed Mary, all the angels and saints, and you my brothers and sisters, to pray for me to the Lord our God
​

The intercession of “Blessed Mary, all the angels and saints, and you my brothers and sisters” don’t pose a threat to the Intercession of Christ and the Holy Spirit.

It rather shows the utter gratuity of grace that God has bestowed on the communion of love that we, the saints, and angels have been brought into, that all of us may join Christ in interceding with Him and in Him for the salvation of the world.

 

[MDK]

Anyone who can point the way to Christ, and bring me closer to Him is my friend, which I appreciate so much. This is the best kind of friend one can have. For reference, I don’t know that you’ve ever helped me to do this. If you would, you would be my friend as well. Mary, the mother of Lord and God Jesus the Christ has helped point the way to her Son, and is an example for us all to see the beautiful grace that the Lord bestows when we say yes to Him and continue to do so. Mary is not only a friend, but my spiritual mother. Jesus loves His followers and gave her to us as our mother.

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

I find it hard to call you Prodigal as I know you from this board. I will pray for you, but it is following the idea that your faith may not fail and continue to be strengthened by Christ, that you will continue to speak the truth and defend the Body of Christ, which is the Church, the pillar and ground of truth. As we take forward into the world the official teachings of the Church which come from God and we are in communion with the Vicar of Christ, we profess our faith in God, and share in Peter’s role of confirming our brethren.

Speaking of truth, it would not matter one iota as far as credibility of the Church if 99% of Catholics left the Church, and 99.9% of the world’s population spoke against the Catholic Church. I would certainly be very concerned about those who denied what God had established. God’s Kingdom is not a democracy. The Church would still be the Body of Christ, the Bride of Christ, with Jesus as the Head and King with the visible head in the “Prime Minister’s office” currently filled by Benedict XVI.

I wanted to thank you MDK. I chose the name Prodigal Son because I was separated from the Church, through my own faults, for several years. I wondered if God could forgive me and take me back. Since then, I have found God’s mercy through His Church and I have grown and witnessed His mercy in my life. I have no doubts. When I came home, it was for all time.

As Reformed wants to argue over Catholics leaving vs. Protestants leaving, he does not realize I am a convert from 1985. I was raised Protestant and coverted when I was 31 years old. I found the fullness of Christ through His Church. I pray for wisdom, knowledge, understanding, counsel, piety, fortitude and fear of the Lord everyday. My understanding of all things are clearer than they’ve ever been.

In reference to the numbers game, I have thought about it many times and prayed about it often. It makes me think of Noah. How many were saved then? Would we find the numbers comparable to today?

 

[Protestant101]

I am not anti-Catholic but pro Jesus Christ.

You are pro-Catholic, as evidenced by you bowing to the authority of the Pope every Sunday.

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

You are pro-Catholic, as evidenced by you bowing to the authority of the Pope every Sunday.

You really don’t have a clue, do you?

 

[adstrinity]

Please help me understand why most Roman Catholics go through Mary and Roman Catholics saints to approach the throne of grace. Scripture states otherwise. Because of what Christ has done on our behalf, we can come to the throne of grace with boldness and confidence through Him alone. Remember, Christ is superior to the Roman Catholic saints and Mary because Jesus is God. I think Justin would make a similar point that I made above. Justin would share that Christ alone is our mediator as we make our request before God. I am trying to speak the truth in love, as the charitable act. Can you supply biblical references that would guide Christians to pray through Mary and the Saints as compared to Jesus Christ as our mediator?

Jesus the Great High Priest

Since then we have a great high priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus, the Son of God, let us hold fast our confession. For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but one who in every respect has been tempted as we are, yet without sin. Let us then with confidence draw near to the throne of grace, that we may receive mercy and find grace to help in time of need. - Hebrews 4

I pray to Jesus.
I pray to God.
I pray to the Holy Spirit.

I know for a fact that all Catholics Pray to the Persons of the Trinity. We go directly to God. We ask saints to pray for us to the same God because we know they will.

I can use Biblical support for praying to saints. I ask you to please rent from your local library or buy the following:

surprisedbytruth.com/shop/shopexd.asp?id=25

With Bible verses and support from Early Church Fathers.

 

[adstrinity]

Because Scripture reveals that Jesus and the Spirit of God intercedes for us. Don’t you think the 2nd and the 3rd person of the godhead is superior than Mary?

This post illustrates our differences of Christianity. Biblical Christians believe that Scripture reveals to us what we believe about God, and how to relate to Him…understanding His will to the praise of His glorious grace. Christ is superior and sufficient for all who will believe in His Holy Bible. God has spoken through the Scriptures. Christ died for the Christian and not Mary, so that we can grow in understanding of the unsearchable riches in Christ! In all respect, the unsearchable riches are found in Christ and not Mary. BTW… I love and honor the biblical Mary and the biblical Apostle Peter.

I think the Entire Trinity, First Person, Second Person, Third Person, as a whole or induvidually is vastly superiour to Mary.

I beleive that I am a Bible Christian. I believe that Scripture reveals to us what I believe about God and how to relate to him…understanding his will to the praise of His glorious Grace. Christ is superior and sufficient for all who believe…woah, Jesus didn’t come up with the Holy Bible. That’s not an invention of His.

I am glad that you honour and love the Biblical Mary, so, this goes back to the original question, which, though you answered, you did not address. Why don’t you WANT the Blessed Virgin Mary to pray for you? We know it’s not because you don’t love her, because you say you do love Jesus’ Mother. You say it’s because Jesus is superiour, but, this still doesn’t answer why you don’t WANT Our Lady to pray for you. An HD television in the Great Room is superiour to an old black and white dial TV in the garage, but, I still want a black and white TV in the garage. You say it’s because Jesus is sufficient. No arguements here, Jesus, as part of the Trinity, is sufficient. The HD television is currently sufficient, but, I want all the chanels I can afford via sattellite to help me enjoy my HD TV experience. Why don’t you WANT Mary to pray for you? We know you don’t NEED her to, but, why don’t you WANT her to?

By the way, dig your sig line!

 

[adstrinity]

You are pro-Catholic, as evidenced by you bowing to the authority of the Pope every Sunday.

Don’t be dunce. If he was pro-Catholic he would bow to the Pope EVERY day. Duh. We set Sunday apart to bow to Jesus. THAT’S why we’re Christians. That and praying to statues of Saints makes us Christians.

 

[brkn1]

Don’t be dunce. If he was pro-Catholic he would bow to the Pope EVERY day. Duh. We set Sunday apart to bow to Jesus. THAT’S why we’re Christians. That and praying to statues of Saints makes us Christians.

Let’s see how this quote seems to read:
If you bow to the Pope every day, and you bow to Jesus on Sunday, and you pray to statues of saints, then that makes you a pro-Catholic Christian.

Did you read in the Bible where Peter would not allow anyone to bow before him? Peter said that he was just a man also.

 

[Reformed]

I pray to Jesus.
I pray to God.
I pray to the Holy Spirit.

I know for a fact that all Catholics Pray to the Persons of the Trinity. We go directly to God. We ask saints to pray for us to the same God because we know they will.

I can use Biblical support for praying to saints. I ask you to please rent from your local library or buy the following:

surprisedbytruth.com/shop/shopexd.asp?id=25

With Bible verses and support from Early Church Fathers.

Could you please just post the Scripture references to support praying to the Saints and Mary.

 

[Reformed]

If you’d like an example of Catholic intercession check out Mass and the Liturgy of the Hours. There we pray to the Father, through the Son, in the Holy Spirit “for the salvation of all”, in fidelity to 1 Timothy 2:1-6.

We *also *ask each other in the Lord to pray **with **us and **for **us to Father, through the Son, in the Holy Spirit. At Mass this is especially evident in the Confiteor. *After *confessing to *God *our sins, we say,

*And *I ask blessed Mary, all the angels and saints, and you my brothers and sisters, to pray for me to the Lord our God
​

The intercession of “Blessed Mary, all the angels and saints, and you my brothers and sisters” don’t pose a threat to the Intercession of Christ and the Holy Spirit.

It rather shows the utter gratuity of grace that God has bestowed on the communion of love that we, the saints, and angels have been brought into, that all of us may join Christ in interceding with Him and in Him for the salvation of the world.

Have you ever wonder why Jesus does not pray for the world (John 17)? These are thoughts that may go against mainstream Catholic theology.

The High Priestly Prayer

17:1 When Jesus had spoken these words, he lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, “Father, the hour has come; glorify your Son that the Son may glorify you, 2 since you have given him authority over all flesh, to give eternal life to all whom you have given him. 3 And this is eternal life, that they know you the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent. 4 I glorified you on earth, having accomplished the work that you gave me to do. 5 And now, Father, glorify me in your own presence with the glory that I had with you before the world existed.

6 “I have manifested your name to the people whom you gave me out of the world. Yours they were, and you gave them to me, and they have kept your word. 7 Now they know that everything that you have given me is from you. 8 For I have given them the words that you gave me, and they have received them and have come to know in truth that I came from you; and they have believed that you sent me. 9 I am praying for them. I am not praying for the world but for those whom you have given me, for they are yours. 10 All mine are yours, and yours are mine, and I am glorified in them. 11 And I am no longer in the world, but they are in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, keep them in your name, which you have given me, that they may be one, even as we are one. 12 While I was with them, I kept them in your name, which you have given me. I have guarded them, and not one of them has been lost except the son of destruction, that the Scripture might be fulfilled. 13 But now I am coming to you, and these things I speak in the world, that they may have my joy fulfilled in themselves. 14 I have given them your word, and the world has hated them because they are not of the world, just as I am not of the world. 15 I do not ask that you take them out of the world, but that you keep them from the evil one. [1] 16 They are not of the world, just as I am not of the world. 17 Sanctify them [2] in the truth; your word is truth. 18 As you sent me into the world, so I have sent them into the world. 19 And for their sake I consecrate myself, [3] that they also may be sanctified [4] in truth.

20 “I do not ask for these only, but also for those who will believe in me through their word, 21 that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in me, and I in you, that they also may be in us, so that the world may believe that you have sent me. 22 The glory that you have given me I have given to them, that they may be one even as we are one, 23 I in them and you in me, that they may become perfectly one, so that the world may know that you sent me and loved them even as you loved me. 24 Father, I desire that they also, whom you have given me, may be with me where I am, to see my glory that you have given me because you loved me before the foundation of the world. 25 O righteous Father, even though the world does not know you, I know you, and these know that you have sent me. 26 I made known to them your name, and I will continue to make it known, that the love with which you have loved me may be in them, and I in them.”

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

Let’s see how this quote seems to read:
If you bow to the Pope every day, and you bow to Jesus on Sunday, and you pray to statues of saints, then that makes you a pro-Catholic Christian.

Did you read in the Bible where Peter would not allow anyone to bow before him? Peter said that he was just a man also.

A perfect example of misinterpretation of a reading, even though this is not as serious as misinterpreting scriptures.

If you re-read adstrinity’s post and look for sarcasm, you might understand the message.

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

Could you please just post the Scripture references to support praying to the Saints and Mary.

Could you please respond to the posts you overlooked?

Really, the audacity to require sources and scriptures when you ignore anything someone posts in direct response to you.

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

Have you ever wonder why Jesus does not pray for the world (John 17)? These are thoughts that may go against mainstream Catholic theology.

20 “I do not ask for these only, but also for those who will believe in me through their word, 21 that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in me, and I in you, that they also may be in us, so that the world may believe that you have sent me. 22 The glory that you have given me I have given to them, that they may be one even as we are one, 23 I in them and you in me, that they may become perfectly one, so that the world may know that you sent me and loved them even as you loved me.

He does pray for all as bolded and underlined above, “…also for thos who WILL believe in me through their word.” He also prays His Church will be ONE and even describes it again as PERFECTLY ONE so that the world may know that God sent Him.

Seems 35,000 denominations goes directly against what our Lord prayed for.

 

[ibkc]

Let’s see how this quote seems to read:
If you bow to the Pope every day, and you bow to Jesus on Sunday, and you pray to statues of saints, then that makes you a pro-Catholic Christian.

Did you read in the Bible where Peter would not allow anyone to bow before him? Peter said that he was just a man also.

adstrinity was joking around. It is dangerous to read everything at its most literal level.

 

[Vincent]

Have you ever wonder why Jesus does not pray for the world (John 17)? These are thoughts that may go against mainstream Catholic theology.

20 “I do not ask for these only, but also for those who will believe in me through their word, 21 that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in me, and I in you, that they also may be in us, so that the world may believe that you have sent me.

. . . so that the world may believe . . .

 

[MDK]

adstrinity;4093865:

Don’t be dunce. If he was pro-Catholic he would bow to the Pope EVERY day. Duh. We set Sunday apart to bow to Jesus. THAT’S why we’re Christians. That and praying to statues of Saints makes us Christians.

Let’s see how this quote seems to read:
If you bow to the Pope every day, and you bow to Jesus on Sunday, and you pray to statues of saints, then that makes you a pro-Catholic Christian.

Did you read in the Bible where Peter would not allow anyone to bow before him? Peter said that he was just a man also.

The post by adstrinity was satirical, poking fun at what anti-Catholics think we believe, rather than what we actually do believe. One who exercises good judgment when reading a post will interpret as the author intended, understanding what they literally meant. Here, not doing so, but reading it in a literalistic sense leads one to the wrong meaning.

The stakes are raised when we read Sacred Scriptures, as we must take them as the inspired author intended in regard to the intended meaning of written Tradition of God’s Word. A presupposition of formal sufficiency of the Bible can mislead many when reading God’s Holy Word as written by the inspired authors around 2,000 years and more ago. It’s unfortunate for many who misapply literalistic (what it reads is what it means) reading to Sacred Scriptures, which too often leads one the wrong meaning(s). To misinterpret the meaning of Scriptures can lead one to a false idea(s) of Christ, and what He asks us to believe and do.

 

[TriuneUnity]

Don’t be dunce. If he was pro-Catholic he would bow to the Pope EVERY day. Duh. We set Sunday apart to bow to Jesus. THAT’S why we’re Christians. That and praying to statues of Saints makes us Christians.

Wasn’t it Patrick Madrid who said “I saw a statue scene of Our Lady of Fatima, with the three children kneeling before her, and I thought to myself…we’re so Catholic, even our statues pray to statues.”

 

[MDK]

Wasn’t it Patrick Madrid who said “I saw a statue scene of Our Lady of Fatima, with the three children kneeling before her, and I thought to myself…we’re so Catholic, even our statues pray to statues.”

If you quote someone, such as you did above in “Wasn’t it Patrick Madrid who said…” would it be wrong to take this out of context and present it to mean something it does not? What about God’s commandment not to bear false witness? In order to show a sense of fairness and justice, please provide the context of the quote you provided to the forum.

Next, from his books, and hearing him, I can tell you Patrick Madrid clearly does not believe this in a serious sense… it would have been using satire here, as adstrinity does. Take a look at the following quote from his article titled Conclusions of a Guilty Bystander in reply to a friend’s mom who was claiming the “Catholic Church promotes praying to statues.”

“Of course I knew we Catholics don’t worship or pray to statues, so I knew enough to reject that part of her argument, but what I lacked was a solid knowledge of Scripture that would have enabled me to point out passages such as Exodus 25:18-20, Numbers 21:8-9, and 1 Kings 6:23-28, where God approves of and even commands the carving of religious statues.”