Chicago Nun Volunteering as Abortion Clinic Escort

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JaMc said:
Thanks, Br. JR - your perspective and experience is certainly a huge asset to CAF. We can only hope and pray, then, that her superiors are taking these steps. However, are there not any sort of other steps that can be taken if the Superior and the Council fail to act, or worse, are complicit in the activity?

If excommunication is not an option, could Cardinal George tell her religious community that, (if they are not doing so already) if they do not begin taking the steps necessary to stop her from doing this horrible thing, they are no longer welcome in his Diocese?
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Any bishop, who is the Ordinary of a diocese, can ask any religious community to leave his diocese for any reason. The Church is a “right to work state”.

There are three exceptions to the rule.
  1. A bishop cannot ask a community to leave his diocese, if they do not work for him. For example, some religious communities own their own schools, hospitals, colleges, etc. These are not diocesan ministries. Therefore, the bishop has no jurisdiction over them. However, there is always the Sacred Congregation for Institutes of Religious Life and Societies of Apostolic Life to whom the bishop can appeal. The Sacred Congregation can speak in the name of the Holy See.
  2. An auxiliary bishop cannot ask anyone to leave. An auxiliary bishop is not an Ordinary.
  3. If the congregation is a diocesan congregation, the bishop of that diocese is stuck with it. However, he is also the major superior of the congregation. Even though he can’t ask them to leave his diocese and he cannot disband the congregation, he can impose penalties, even excommunication on the offending individual.
There is one more situation where situations can get complicated because of conflict of interests. If the offending religious and the bishop belong to the same order, the bishop is always advised to work through his major superior and allow the major superior to take action.

Religious, even exempt religious, cannot trump moral law or Church law. An exempt religious order simply does not come under the jurisdiction of the bishop, but it has the same moral obligations of any Catholic. If there is a cause of serious misbehavior, the superior general must be contacted and the Holy See.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF
 
MercyMia said:
Wow, these poor women at the abortion clinic…not only have they been led to the sin of murdering their own baby but they are being led in by the soft arm of a woman who calls herself a Catholic nun so they will have a false sense of apporval from God.
I really need to pray for everyone involved.
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Ultimately, our first concern is the life of the unborn. The fundamental right to life of the unborn trumps all other moral and legal considerations. The bishop has an obligation to speak to someone about this situation with the hope of protecting the unborn, even if he can’t squelch the scandal. Scandals come and go, the life of an uborn child does not.

The laity who know about this have the moral duty to inform the bishop and the major superior of the sister in question. She also has the right, under Church law, to defend herself. Sometimes charges are brought against people by others who are too eager to see the worse. The Church has to make sure that justice is being done.

In this case, if the reports are as printed, there is not much to be discussed. The sister in question has acted contrary to the best interest of the unborn. The interest of the unborn are always ahead of whether or not people make comments to the women who are entering the clinic.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
JaMc said:
I would say she has clearly “defected notoriously from the Catholic faith.” Moreover, I would say, if her superiors are aware of this, they should be excommunicated immediately as well.
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JReducation said:
You cannot excommunicate a Major Superior because of the sins of his or her subjects. The rules of religiosu life do not allow this.
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Correct, they could not be excommunicated for the sins of another.

But I believe the superiors are guilty of a different offense on their own.

Would I be correct in believing there should be some punishment dealt out for their sin of inaction?
 
vz71 said:
Correct, they could not be excommunicated for the sins of another.

But I believe the superiors are guilty of a different offense on their own.

Would I be correct in believing there should be some punishment dealt out for their sin of inaction?
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If there has been a blatant disregard for justice, the major superior has to answer for that. But that would be between the major superior and her superiors. The penalties depend on the degree of the “crime”.

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
JimG said:
I suppose we can be glad that she is not wearing a habit while escorting women into an abortion clinic.

She is a member of the National Coalition of American Nuns–NCAN–which opposes the Catholic Church position on abortion, homosexuality, contraception, and the ordination of women.

With nuns like this, who needs enemies?

Seems to me that the Vatican is way too late in instituting an investigation into the orthodoxy of some U.S. religious orders.

And where has the bishop been all this time? None of this activity is a surprise.
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So they are against the churchs stand on the murdering of children?
 
JaMc said:
I would say she has clearly “defected notoriously from the Catholic faith.” Moreover, I would say, if her superiors are aware of this, they should be excommunicated immediately as well. This is a terrible scandal.
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FYI, Here is Dr. Ed Peters on the issue. He is one of the foremost Canon Law professors in the US (and one of the very few anywhere who have doctorates in both civil law AND Canon law.)

canonlaw.info/2009/10/canonical-options-in-sr-donna-quinn.html
 
Absolutely sickening – Religious sisters are a symbol of the Church - the Bride of Christ – but some sisters and communities of sisters are more a symbol of the Whore of Babylon from Revelation 15
 
latin_rite said:
So they are against the churchs stand on the murdering of children?
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Do you mean the National Coalition of American Nuns (NCAN)? If so, the answer is yes; they have been dissidents working against Church teaching on a number of issues. Please note, however, that NCAN, like LCWR, does not represent the views of all American nuns, most of whom, to my knowledge, are quite orthodox in belief and practice.
 
Guy said:
Absolutely sickening – Religious sisters are a symbol of the Church - the Bride of Christ – but some sisters and communities of sisters are more a symbol of the Whore of Babylon from Revelation 15
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While I strongly agree that what Sister Donna Q. is wrong. I also believe that to make this statement is unkind and unnecessary. Who has never betrayed Christ?

Fraternal correctioin must always be just that, fraternal. Each of us has to answer the universal call to holiness. We must respond to these errors as holy men and women, always using discretion in our words, while holding on to the truths that the Church teaches us.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
Regardless of jurisdictional lines, it must be remembered the the local bishop has the biggest bully pulpit in the diocese. When he speaks, he will be heard. That bully pulpit ought to be exercised.

(I can recall some bishops in my younger years who, when they spoke, the earth quaked. Jurisdiction or not, no Catholic organization or priest or religious in the diocese would go against the bishop’s stated wishes.)
 
JimG said:
Do you mean the National Coalition of American Nuns (NCAN)? If so, the answer is yes; they have been dissidents working against Church teaching on a number of issues. Please note, however, that NCAN, like LCWR, does not represent the views of all American nuns, most of whom, to my knowledge, are quite orthodox in belief and practice.
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The National Coalitions of American Nuns is not an official organism in the Catholic Church. It is a private organization started by and funded by a small group of women religious. They have no representation in the USCCB or the Sacred Congregation for Religious Life and Societies of Apostolic Life. The Conference of Women Religious and the Conference of Major Superiors of Women Religoius are official organisms in the Church. They do have the authority to represent women religious both in the USCCB and at the Vatican.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF
 
JimG said:
Regardless of jurisdictional lines, it must be remembered the the local bishop has the biggest bully pulpit in the diocese. When he speaks, he will be heard. That bully pulpit ought to be exercised.

(I can recall some bishops in my younger years who, when they spoke, the earth quaked. Jurisdiction or not, no Catholic organization or priest or religious in the diocese would go against the bishop’s stated wishes.)
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The bullly pulpit is not what the Church expect of her bishops. It has been made very clear to the bishops that their role is to be shepherds. They certainly have the authority to begin a legal process in the case of a religious who operates within the boundaries of their diocese. This is part of their role as shepherd. It is there duty to protect the faith and the faithful. As long as there are legal means that a bishop can use for situations like this, there is no need for the bully pulpit.

Let us not ask our bishops to act contrary to what the Church expects of them. This reduces their ministry and vocation to that of judges and jury. Their vocation and dignity encompasses much more.

I for one do not know what may be happening behind closed doors on this particular issue. Does anyone else know? Sometimes, procudures and processes are in motion to which the laity is ot privy. Let us be faithful to the teachings of the Church and slow to make statements that are not helpful or necessary.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
The LCWR seems to have changed significantly over the course of its history.

Here is an article from the Catholic World Report which discusses the matter in some detail.

Excerpt: “The doctrinal assessment of the LCWR is said to be unrelated to the apostolic visitation of the women’s orders, but in fact, much of the disorder in women’s communities today can be traced directly to the influence of the LCWR.”

It is quite true that the bishops are to be shepherds of their diocese, and the job of a shepherd is to protect the flock. When the wolf appears, the shepherd may need to speak loudly and use his staff to drive it away.
 
JimG said:
The LCWR seems to have changed significantly over the course of its history.

Here is an article from the Catholic World Report which discusses the matter in some detail.

Excerpt: “The doctrinal assessment of the LCWR is said to be unrelated to the apostolic visitation of the women’s orders, but in fact, much of the disorder in women’s communities today can be traced directly to the influence of the LCWR.”

It is quite true that the bishops are to be shepherds of their diocese, and the job of a shepherd is to protect the flock. When the wolf appears, the shepherd may need to speak loudly and use his staff to drive it away.
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I agree that it is the shepherd’s role to protect the flock. That’s why I pointed out that there are legal means to do this without reducing the dignity of the bishop to that of judge and jury.

Yes, many religious congregation in the LCWR have serious problems. That’s why the study is being done. By the way, there are no orders of women religious in the LCWR. The orders of women religious do not belong to either the LCWR or the Conference of Major Superiors of Woman Religious. Religious orders of women are in another association. The two above mentioned associations are only for congregations of women religious.

The orders of women religious cannot belong to either group, because they do not make the same vows.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
The greatest creature that can be or ever will be…is the Blessed Virgin Mary. Her greatest virtue - obedience.

The two greatest sins - pride and disobedience.

The Chicago nun who, for years, has known and understood more- than the Church- on immorality. She has not been nor is currently being counseled either behind closed doors or in public. After more than 10 years she is still proclaiming her revised Catechism and nary a reprimand from any Catholic source or superior.

The anathema continues and will continue.
 
tzarno1 said:
The greatest creature that can be or ever will be…is the Blessed Virgin Mary. Her greatest virtue - obedience.

The two greatest sins - pride and disobedience.

The Chicago nun who, for years, has known and understood more- than the Church- on immorality. She has not been nor is currently being counseled either behind closed doors or in public. After more than 10 years she is still proclaiming her revised Catechism and nary a reprimand from any Catholic source or superior.

The anathema continues and will continue.
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What you say may be true. At least it looks that way at face value. There is not much that any of us can do about it, for her, other than pray. But there is much that we can do for ourselves.

I tend to look at situations like this and remind myself, “I too have betrayed him at different points in my own life.” This often leads me into a period of self-examination. When I go into this mode, I often find things in my own life on which I have to work. As our holy Father St. Francis said to us in one of his many discourses, we can offer our work on converting ourselves as a penance for those who do not do penance.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
Cider said:
She has been doing this for 6 years and no one in her order or the Church has done anything about it?

disgusting
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Sr. Patricia Mulcahey, OP, Quinn’s Prioress at the Sinsinawa Dominican community, said in an email response to LSN that the nun sees her volunteer activity as “accompanying women who are verbally abused by protestors. Her stance is that if the protestors were not abusive, she would not be there.”

Though Sr. Mulcahey claimed that her sisters “support the teachings of the Catholic Church,” she declined to comment on Quinn’s public protest of Catholic Church teaching.

No wonder the Vatican is investigating these pagans.
 
Hmmmmm…sounds like the order needs to have all donations stopped. I’m all for letting these ladies know that actions do indeed have consequences.
 
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