Chief Rabbinate of Israel break ties to Vatican

[pnewton]

If it truly is the worst post you have seen, then you should report it. I personnally think the reaction of you two are worse than the first post.

 

[7_Sorrows]

TZMike - Our attitude to the Jews is Irrelevant to this thread !!! Our debt to the Jews does not exist !!!

What about a) the Old Testament b) the Laws of Moses
and c) Jesus - is Jesus some unworldly spirit untouched by the earth he once inhabited !!! Jesus was a Jew,raised as a Jew and died a Jew. He is the messiah ( a very jewish concept). He becomes the Christ after the ressurection. True we believe that we find salvation in Christ, but that Christ in his humanity was the Jew Jesus. What is irrelevant is this gobildigook about how somehow its the Rabbi’s fault if he didn’t understand precisely why the church could offered inclusion to a known holocaust denier…frankly blaming the Rabbi for his inevitable reaction is utter nonsense and has a whiff of anti-semitism about it !!

i tend to agree with your posts Peccavi. it seems as the Jews try to make amends with the Catholics or Christians, something ugly like this happens. once more they have reason for distrust.
i read today that the Pope was not aware of the Bishop’s remarks in the interview last november. perhaps that is so, i will not comment on that. obviously, there was a lack of communication somewhere in the Vatican over this situation. i don’t think this was an act of anti-semitism on the part of the Pope. i do think within the jewish community, there are many who are anti-catholic or anti-christian and within the catholic and christian communities anti-semitism still exists. obviously, Bishop Williamson is an educated man, why he would have made these remarks last november or why he believes them to be true is something i can’t answer. this is an unfortunate incident to happen as the Lenten season and Passover approach.

 

[Grace_Angel]

The Pope lifted the excommunication, but the bishop in question is still suspended from official duties.

The excommunication being lifted prevents the Bishop from going to hell (from being excommunicated) should he die.

Those outside the faith and/or anti-Catholics don’t understand this and try to spin this to make it look like the Pope was the one who changed his stance approves of denying the Holocaust.

The Pope was right in his actions. The chief Rabbi in Israel is wrong. The Pope is concerned for the well being of a repentant soul. The Rabbi doesn’t.

I agree entirely with you. Lifting the excommunication had nothing to do with the Bishops views on the holocaust. It had to do with His soicety and nothing to do with the Bishops opinion about the holocaust. I also believe that the Rabbinate is using this to get even with the Hly Father for not supporting them in their attack on Gaza and calling for ceasing of hostilities.
This is all trumped up.
GraceAngel.

 

[Kaninchen]

This is unfair to the poster. One simply does not call someone a Nazi for such a point of view.

Such a point of view was straight ‘party line’, not ‘fantasy party line’ but ‘party line’. The fact that you don’t realize this - or pretend not to - speaks volumes. NSDAP supporters weren’t NSDAP supporters just because they put ‘perish Judah’ in from time to time but because their views were just like those of the post involved.

How would you feel if someone here hurled Jewish epitaphs at you for your point of view on the subject?

I’m quite used to it but I don’t deny being a Jew or holding Jewish beliefs just because people point out that I’m a Jew and hold Jewish beliefs.

 

[pnewton]

Such a point of view was straight ‘party line’, not ‘fantasy party line’ but ‘party line’. The fact that you don’t realize this - or pretend not to - speaks volumes.

And what does this reveal about you? I question all this jumping to conclusions and you think this hides some hidden motive. Like I said earlier - seeing anti-semetism under every rock.

Not everyone that is ready to pick up stones with you against Bishop Williamson and by extension, the Holy Father, is out to get you. One should not condemn ultra nationalism/racism for the purpose of promoting their own ultra nationalism/racism. Bigotry and racism is wrong whether if is directed toward the Jewish people or comes from the Jewish people.

 

[Kaninchen]

And what does this reveal about you? I question all this jumping to conclusions and you think this hides some hidden motive. Like I said earlier - seeing anti-semetism under every rock.

As opposed to your endemic denial of antisemitism even when it’s blatantly obvious - on the supposed grounds that Jews see ‘antisemitism’ everywhere.

Bigotry and racism is wrong whether if is directed toward the Jewish people or comes from the Jewish people.

You’d have had a hard time finding antisemitism in the NSDAP.

 

[chosen_people]

I find Bishop Williamson an obvious example of the low class and foolishness that pervades the rad trads. Illogical racism is quite eh trashy.

But that appart from that, I sustain that the Jews still are the most powerful entity in the temporal world and also, do to infiltration into the Church, a great part in the spiritual world.

I sustain that theory of the radical Jews starting the Holocaust to punish the burgeois Jews happy with their little comfortable and mediocre life in Europe and had no interest in the millenial desire of Israel dominating again.
So they clean up enemies. The last Catholic monarchies in the WWI and before that a whole history of decadence and even in the Church (yes my friends, the II Vatican council is just a ratification of errors long within ), then scare the wimpy jews into zionism.

At the end they end up with the world’s simpathy, tons of money, and above all Israel.

Say a word against them, RACIST RACIST!!! ANTI-SEMETISM!!!

They want something. They’ll send the US to do it for them.

They want somebody. They’ll walk in uninvited into your sovereign territory and take him, like in Argentina.

So what now?

Wall Street is too comfortable. They want to take things slowly.

But the radicals want war, and they want it fast.

So Wall Street is going to crumble…

Now the first question is how this tiny group of people, the Jews, are so all powerful. Is it because of natural abilities or their special relationship with God or perhaps a special relationship with Satan?

I am especially interested in your theory that the Holocaust was perpetrated by “radical Jews” in order “to punish the bourgeois Jews happy with their little comfortable and mediocre life in Europe and had no interest in the millennial desire of Israel dominating again”. Could you please elaborate who these radical Jews were and how they were able to implement their plan.

 

[ChristIsLord]

the world will be a much better place once all this tribal racist nonsense about “we’re the chosen people” and “god loves us best”, or we’re the true church, or we’re the right path and follow it or we’ll cut your head off goes the way of the dodo bird.

religion does essentially nothing beneficial for society at all, the little that it does do good is erradicated by the endless misery it causes upon the globe. it keeps people divided, scared, supremicists like in the jews case, or just downright nutty obsessive compulsive and delusionary.

i’m not talking about god here, i believe in god, but every religion is wrought with innumerable errors, and manmade contradictions to truly believe in any of them seems impossible. and at times filled with such nonsense and fantasy that wherever god is he must be thinking “where the heck do these guys come up with this garbage?”

there was no global flood, there was no garden of eden, people didn’t live 800 years, no one lived in a whales belly for three days, no parting of seas, or plagues of the angel of death killing everyones kid, it is not o.k. to mass murder entire cities women, children, ox, because your tribal god said to. they are stories, stories used to teach at times moral lessons and at other times to reinforce the idea that “we’re better than them” so let’s go take what is there’s since god loves us more.

the host isn’t anyones body or blood, it’s a piece of unleavened bread, the wine is wine. kneeling before a statue and praying to a saint doesn’t get you time off in purgatory, confessing to a priest who is probably wracked with his own sins is not required so you don’t burn.

seriously the arguments are ridiculous, jews are successful because they are smart, and have close knit families that push each other to strive for success, many asian cultures are very similar. just stop it already…

 

[tomarin]

the world will be a much better place once all this tribal racist nonsense about “we’re the chosen people” and “god loves us best”, or we’re the true church, or we’re the right path and follow it or we’ll cut your head off goes the way of the dodo bird.

So you think the world would be a better place if people could be convinced not to believe in God? At this point in the West we’re more than halfway there and I see no evidence the world is better for it – quite the contrary.

seriously the arguments are ridiculous, jews are successful because they are smart, and have close knit families that push each other to strive for success, many asian cultures are very similar. just stop it already…

I think the quasi-athestic/agnostic creed you appear to be espousing has not a few problems with it; but to perceive that a modicum of self-awareness and dare I say it, wisdom is required.

 

[ChristIsLord]

So you think the world would be a better place if people could be convinced not to believe in God? At this point in the West we’re more than halfway there and I see no evidence the world is better for it – quite the contrary.

i stated i believe in god, i pray daily why would i think the world a better place if people could be convinced not to believe in god?

i think the world would be a better place if we dumped all these antiquated “quasi”-racist and supremicist man made religions from the stone age…

belief in god = good
belief in man made religion = always turns bad… always.

 

[tomarin]

i stated i believe in god, i pray daily why would i think the world a better place if people could be convinced not to believe in god?

i think the world would be a better place if we dumped all these antiquated “quasi”-racist and supremicist man made religions from the stone age…

belief in god = good
belief in man made religion = always turns bad… always.

let’s start a new thread rather than derail this one.

 

[tomarin]

Christislord,

I started a new thread (forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?p=4770236#post4770236 in Moral Theology if you want to continue discussing this.

 

[pnewton]

let’s start a new thread rather than derail this one.

Thank you. That fella was so far all over the map as to be unanswerable.

 

[Pro_Domina]

You know what happens in an exorcism?

At a certain point the demons starts to make the priest feel sorry for him. The priest has to be really strong to not fall for the trick, because they are so powerful, that they can make evil a pitiable thing.

People aren’t to strong these days…

 

[Walt_Oliver]

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