Children's Mass Liturgy "Pageant"...help?

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I have been asked to put together a type of pageant/presentation for the Liturgy of the Word at the Children’s Christmas Eve Mass. Basically, the idea is that the children would “act out” the readings. I am to try and use as many kids of various ages as possible. I have some resources, but they are not really specific to the Liturgy of the Word for use in Mass.

I want to do this in the most respectful way possible so that it is

1st: licit
2nd: the children appreciate their participation in proclaiming the Word, and
3rd: it is more that a little “show” for parents.

Any comments/suggestions would be helpful.

Thanks in advance!
It sounds as if your pastor wants a real Children’s Liturgy for this Mass, that is, using the Children’s Lectionary, preparing them to do the readings etc. That part is great. That is what we do for our school Masses and it is positive in every way. If you can do this once a month, at least, moreover your kids will gain in a real understanding of the Mass.

now for the “pageant” part, I didn’t respond at first because I had to calm down. There is no licit way for a “pageant” in any sense of the Word to be part of the Liturgy of the Word during Mass. Period. The furthest you could stretch would be multiple proclaimers, but this Gospel does not even lend itself to that because there is no narrator plus dialogue plus narration as there is the in the Passion accounts. In any case, the proclamation of the Passion is the only time this is allowed.

During Mass your option is limited to children dressed as Mary, Joseph, shepherds etc. in the procession, taking their place in a tableau in front of the altar. Obviously only as man children for whom there is enough space. They remain quietly during Mass, kneel at for the Eucharistic prayer etc.

They have done this every year in our parish for all the Christmas eve Masses (4) with the youth doing Midnight Mass. This was the pastor’s concession to a long-standing tradition of an actual pageant, which he sees as an abuse.

Yes, kids who are carefully chosen can sit still that long. Usually their parents are the onese to make the costumes and supervise the proceedings. I have gradually moved this production out of the hands of CCD, using the excuse that the parents who initiated these things have since moved on and nobody else will volunteer (this is the truth). Personally, I think this has no place at Mass and won’t do anything actively to promote it unless I am given a direct order by the pastor.

Another alternative, if as I gather the Children’s Mass is the first of the evening, and in your diocese permission has been given for this to “count” for Christmas, would be a traditional pageant, someone hopefully a deacon proclaiming Luke’s gospel as children in costume pantomime the appropriate actions. any number of carols, religious, traditional, appropriate for the action, can be sung during this time.

This is licit, but here is the problem we have had in parishes where this is done: the whole thing, for the families with children participating, is the pageant, you have the competition for the best spot for eager relatives with camcorders and cameras, and they haul their kids home after the show. For them, Christmas liturgy is now over and they are through. The Mass itself loses relevance, immediacy and importance.

You know your parish best, if you think this won’t be a problem, go for it. but not during Mass. no, grandma can’t stomach that.
 
I have been asked to put together a type of pageant/presentation for the Liturgy of the Word at the Children’s Christmas Eve Mass. Basically, the idea is that the children would “act out” the readings. I am to try and use as many kids of various ages as possible. I have some resources, but they are not really specific to the Liturgy of the Word for use in Mass.

I want to do this in the most respectful way possible so that it is

1st: licit
2nd: the children appreciate their participation in proclaiming the Word, and
3rd: it is more that a little “show” for parents.

Any comments/suggestions would be helpful.

Thanks in advance!
It sounds as if your pastor wants a real Children’s Liturgy for this Mass, that is, using the Children’s Lectionary, preparing them to do the readings etc. That part is great. That is what we do for our school Masses and it is positive in every way. If you can do this once a month, at least, moreover your kids will gain in a real understanding of the Mass.

now for the “pageant” part, I didn’t respond at first because I had to calm down. There is no licit way for a “pageant” in any sense of the Word to be part of the Liturgy of the Word during Mass. Period. The furthest you could stretch would be multiple proclaimers, but this Gospel does not even lend itself to that because there is no narrator plus dialogue plus narration as there is the in the Passion accounts. In any case, the proclamation of the Passion is the only time this is allowed.

During Mass your option is limited to children dressed as Mary, Joseph, shepherds etc. in the procession, taking their place in a tableau in front of the altar. Obviously only as man children for whom there is enough space. They remain quietly during Mass, kneel at for the Eucharistic prayer etc.

They have done this every year in our parish for all the Christmas eve Masses (4) with the youth doing Midnight Mass. This was the pastor’s concession to a long-standing tradition of an actual pageant, which he sees as an abuse.

Yes, kids who are carefully chosen can sit still that long. Usually their parents are the onese to make the costumes and supervise the proceedings. I have gradually moved this production out of the hands of CCD, using the excuse that the parents who initiated these things have since moved on and nobody else will volunteer (this is the truth). Personally, I think this has no place at Mass and won’t do anything actively to promote it unless I am given a direct order by the pastor.

Another alternative, if as I gather the Children’s Mass is the first of the evening, and in your diocese permission has been given for this to “count” for Christmas, would be a traditional pageant, someone hopefully a deacon proclaiming Luke’s gospel as children in costume pantomime the appropriate actions. any number of carols, religious, traditional, appropriate for the action, can be sung during this time.

This is licit, but here is the problem we have had in parishes where this is done: the whole thing, for the families with children participating, is the pageant, you have the competition for the best spot for eager relatives with camcorders and cameras, and they haul their kids home after the show. For them, Christmas liturgy is now over and they are through. The Mass itself loses relevance, immediacy and importance.

You know your parish best, if you think this won’t be a problem, go for it. but not during Mass. no, grandma can’t stomach that.
 
St. F,
I will quote off of Jimmy’s Blog and give you a link to his blog too: Here goes:
*When the General norms for the Liturgical Year and the calendar came out after Vatican II, it had this to say:

V. Advent
  1. Advent has a twofold character: as a season to prepare for Christmas when Christ’s first coming to us is remembered; as a season when that remembrance directs the mind and heart to await Christ’s Second Coming at the end of time. Advent is thus a period for devout and joyful expectation.
  2. Advent begins with evening prayer I of the Sunday falling on or closest to 30 November and ends before evening prayer I of Christmas.
  3. The Sundays of this season are named the First, Second, Third, and Fourth Sundays of Advent.
The weekdays from 17 December to 24 December inclusive serve to prepare more directly for the Lord’s birth.

So no mention of it being a penitential season–unlike Lent, concerning which the General Norms state:
  1. Lent is a preparation for the celebration of Easter. For the Lenten liturgy disposes both catechumens and the faithful to celebrate the paschal mystery: catechumens, through the several stages of Christian initiation; the faithful, through reminders of their own baptism and through penitential practices.*
It is under the topic What’s with all the purple?
This is a link to his blog jimmyakin.org/

Puzzleannie, it sounds like you have a wonderful Children’s Mass. I have never seen the children remaining during the Mass around the nativity scene and adoring, waiting. That sounds wonderful.

God Bless
H
 
St. F,
Advent is not a penitential season, just learned that today from Jimmy Akin.
Jimmy Akin is wrong about a lot of things. I don’t know how his Bishop keeps allowing him to publish this kind of thing - it really sows a lot of confusion, since (because of the fact that he’s famous) people assume he knows what he’s talking about.

We should really look to the Catechism and other official documents of the Church for answers (not to mention our pastors and Bishops); not to “famous apologists.”

The Catechism draws a distinct parallel between Advent and Lent in paragraph 1095.

Although Advent has no days of fasting in the current calendar, it is marked with the penitential colour purple, and many of the readings of Advent remind us of the end of the world and the Last Judgement - penitential themes, if ever there were any. 😉
 
j
I am reading 1095 and not seeing the penitential connection.
Purple also can mean royalty. But I am not drawing the connection between 1095 and penitiential. :confused:
 
Chapter II

The Structure of the Mass, Its Elements and Its Parts
I. The General Structure of the Mass
  1. The Mass is made up, as it were, of two parts: the Liturgy of the Word and the Liturgy of the Eucharist. These, however, are so closely interconnected that they form but one single act of worship.40 For in the Mass the table both of God’s word and of Christ’s Body is prepared, from which the faithful may be instructed and refreshed.41 There are also certain rites that open and conclude the celebration.
III. The Individual Parts of the Mass
A. THE INTRODUCTORY RITES
  1. The rites preceding the Liturgy of the Word, namely the Entrance, Greeting, Act of Penitence, Kyrie, Gloria, and Collect, have the character of a beginning, introduction, and preparation.
    Their purpose is to ensure that the faithful who come together as one establish communion and dispose themselves to listen properly to God’s word and to celebrate the Eucharist worthily.
    In certain celebrations that are combined with Mass according to the norms of the liturgical books, the Introductory Rites **are omitted **or performed in a particular way.
Okay…it appears that there isn’t any real “problem” with inserting a re-enactment of the Incarnation in the introductory rites, because:

#1 …the introductory rites are not part of the Liturgy (can even be entirely omitted),and…

#2… the purpose of the introductory rites is to dispose the faithful to hear God’s word appropriately–which is the point of the re-enactment at the Children’s Mass

The re-enactment I have written harkens back to the OT prophets and what they foretold concerning the Messiah, and connects that to the Luke story of Jesus’ birth. Furthermore, all of it is all done before the “opening prayer.”

As a person concerned about the proper respect for the Celebration of Mass,–conservative, but not one of those like the Pharisees who are more concerned about cleaning the “outside of the cup” at the cost of loving God-- I am satisfied that this is not illicit and will serve to deepen the children and the adults appreciation for the true meaning of this season.

One concern I do have, is that Father may not be satisfied. As I said, he is new to our parish and I got the distinct impression that he wanted the “readings” acted out. I do think that would be questionable–and that is NOT what my plan includes.

If anyone is interested, I’d be happy to post them a copy of the actual re-enactment.

Anyway–I submitted the written proposal, with children’s lines and directions yesterday. I will wait to hear from Father on it.
 
Jimmy Akin is wrong about a lot of things. I don’t know how his Bishop keeps allowing him to publish this kind of thing - it really sows a lot of confusion, since (because of the fact that he’s famous) people assume he knows what he’s talking about.
jmcrae,

You have twice asserted that Jimmy Akin is wrong about alot things (in this thread and here) and both times you emphasize “alot”.

Could you elaborate on these things that Jimmy is wrong about?

Your comment above, which seems to indicate you would hope that Jimmy’s Bishop censure him, deserves, I think, some explanation. Its a serious charge, and in justice, I think it needs to be scrutinized.

Thanks, and God Bless,
VC
 
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One concern I do have, is that Father may not be satisfied. As I said, he is new to our parish and I got the distinct impression that he wanted the “readings” acted out. I do think that would be questionable–and that is NOT what my plan includes.
t.
I think what you propose is very suitable. If Father objects just act surprised, and say why Father I clearly understood from the directives on the Liturgy that we are not permitted to act out the Gospel during Mass. Can you give me a source for what you propose? I have not got anything appropriate in my files.
 
St. F,
All I will say is you have to be careful. It takes a well experienced person in the sacred liturgy to know when, where, and how to add to the liturgy in keeping with the guidelines.

This is link off the EWTN experts forum about pageants in the mass,

ewtn.com/vexperts/showmessage.asp?Pgnu=1&Pg=Forum9&recnu=4&number=487990

God Bless
H

VC-Maybe another thread could be started regarding jmcrae and his accusations of Jimmy?
 
Chapter II

The Structure of the Mass, Its Elements and Its Parts
I. The General Structure of the Mass
  1. The Mass is made up, as it were, of two parts: the Liturgy of the Word and the Liturgy of the Eucharist. These, however, are so closely interconnected that they form but one single act of worship.40 For in the Mass the table both of God’s word and of Christ’s Body is prepared, from which the faithful may be instructed and refreshed.41 There are also certain rites that open and conclude the celebration.
III. The Individual Parts of the Mass
A. THE INTRODUCTORY RITES
  1. The rites preceding the Liturgy of the Word, namely the Entrance, Greeting, Act of Penitence, Kyrie, Gloria, and Collect, have the character of a beginning, introduction, and preparation.
    Their purpose is to ensure that the faithful who come together as one establish communion and dispose themselves to listen properly to God’s word and to celebrate the Eucharist worthily.
    In certain celebrations that are combined with Mass according to the norms of the liturgical books, the Introductory Rites **are omitted **or performed in a particular way.
Okay…it appears that there isn’t any real “problem” with inserting a re-enactment of the Incarnation in the introductory rites, because:

#1 …the introductory rites are not part of the Liturgy (can even be entirely omitted),and…

#2… the purpose of the introductory rites is to dispose the faithful to hear God’s word appropriately–which is the point of the re-enactment at the Children’s Mass

The re-enactment I have written harkens back to the OT prophets and what they foretold concerning the Messiah, and connects that to the Luke story of Jesus’ birth. Furthermore, all of it is all done before the “opening prayer.”

As a person concerned about the proper respect for the Celebration of Mass,–conservative, but not one of those like the Pharisees who are more concerned about cleaning the “outside of the cup” at the cost of loving God-- I am satisfied that this is not illicit and will serve to deepen the children and the adults appreciation for the true meaning of this season.

One concern I do have, is that Father may not be satisfied. As I said, he is new to our parish and I got the distinct impression that he wanted the “readings” acted out. I do think that would be questionable–and that is NOT what my plan includes.

If anyone is interested, I’d be happy to post them a copy of the actual re-enactment.

Anyway–I submitted the written proposal, with children’s lines and directions yesterday. I will wait to hear from Father on it.
Just a quick note as to what celebrations they are referring to above where the introductory rite is ommitted, and those are marriages, ordinations, confirmations etc… they aren’t talking about celebrations in general.
 
I think what you propose is very suitable. If Father objects just act surprised, and say why Father I clearly understood from the directives on the Liturgy that we are not permitted to act out the Gospel during Mass. Can you give me a source for what you propose? I have not got anything appropriate in my files.
Excellent back-up plan! I pray it not necessary and Father thinks it’s wonderful and exactly what he wanted. I would really hate to discover our new shepherd isn’t as concerned about the Liturgy as some of his flock.

Thanks all!👍
 
jmcrae,

You have twice asserted that Jimmy Akin is wrong about alot things (in this thread and here) and both times you emphasize “alot”.

Could you elaborate on these things that Jimmy is wrong about?
He has stated that Friday penance is totally optional, thus confusing people into thinking that they don’t have to abstain from meat or else do some alternative penance on Fridays. This has wide-ranging repercussions, because a lot of catechists in my city listen to him, and this is what they are teaching their students, our next generation of Catholics.

He has also stated that chewing gum and sucking candy is okay within the hour preceding Holy Communion, since he doesn’t consider these to be “food” items - thus undermining proper teaching on the fast before Holy Communion. (Some RCIA candidates at our parish listened to this, and decided it was okay to pass out gum two minutes before they went to receive First Holy Communion - apparently, they wanted to freshen their breath - two Easter Vigils ago - adults under my care with gum in their mouths at their First Holy Communion - so, yes, I’m at least a little bit angry with him for embarrassing our RCIA Catechist team in front of 5,000 horrified on-lookers, since they (the congregation) all thought that we had neglected to teach them correctly. But when someone of Jimmy’s status contradicts you, he’s considered to be right, and you’re considered to be wrong, regardless of actual Church teaching. Not to mention, so many unworthy First Holy Communions all in one go. 😦 )

I don’t know whether he actually believes this stuff, or what the deal is, but he has also said other things that make it seem as though he thinks the Catholic Church is a kind of a laissez-faire, anything-goes organization; that basically the Precepts of the Church are just “suggestions” (if even that) rather than actual precepts.

It blows my mind that he’s saying Advent isn’t actually a season of penance and reflection. I wonder what the fall-out from this will be? I bet I won’t have long to wait 'til I do find out, though. :rolleyes:
 
Do you have links to where Jimmy stated this?

As far as advent, if Jimmy is wrong, then the documents from Vatican II that he used are also wrong.

However, I think Advent is a pentiential season of joyful anticipation.

We are penitent because of the reason God had to become man, and that would be our sinfulness. But we joyfully anticipate his coming because that is what saves us from eternal damnation.
 
**Mr. Akin’s comments have been introduced into two threads now – it would be helpful perhaps not to hijack these two threads regarding off topic issues.

The subject of this thread is:
Children’s Mass Liturgy “Pageant”…help?**
 
Sorry - I didn’t intend it to turn into such a big deal.

Back to the subject …
 
Mr. Akin’s comments have been introduced into two threads now – it would be helpful perhaps not to hijack these two threads regarding off topic issues.

The subject of this thread is:
Children’s Mass Liturgy “Pageant”…help?
I’m alright with it as I think my question has been thoroughly covered…Probably the issue deserves it’s own thread though…😉
 
The thread is now closed. Thanks to those who contributed to the subject.
 
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