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Tonks40
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Please! Prayers needed!
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LilyM
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Inego_de_Loyola
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Dear lord please procure religious freedom for our brothers and sisters around the world and especially in china where they are so oppressed!
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twf
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Lord Jesus Christ have mercy!
Most Holy Mother of God, Queen of the Universe, Throne of Grace, and Sanctuary of the Most Blessed Trinity, pray for our brothers and sisters in China, your children, and for the conversion and salvation of their persecutors. Most Holy Virgin, protect your sacred shrine.
Most Holy Mother of God, Queen of the Universe, Throne of Grace, and Sanctuary of the Most Blessed Trinity, pray for our brothers and sisters in China, your children, and for the conversion and salvation of their persecutors. Most Holy Virgin, protect your sacred shrine.
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KathleenElsie
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Protect those who desire to pray at your Shrine in China. May God have mercy on the souls of those that defile this Holy place.
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JimG
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“Illegal religous activity.”
These words say so much about the government of China.
These words say so much about the government of China.
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CathMass
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Pray for the Church in China and pray for the protection of them and this shrine.
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KathleenElsie
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The time might be near for this to happen in the USA. Some doctrines are on the verge of being held as against the law, thus are “illegal religious activity”.
Organized prayer on the steps of the Supreme Court and other public places stands out as being illegal religious activity in the last year.
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gilliam
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Our Lady of Mount Carmel will be blown up with dynamite; a complete ban on Catholics organizing their annual pilgrimage; a complete ban on any religious gathering or function being celebrated in the area. A statue of the Virgin, over one hundred years old, is destined to be destroyed along with 14 stations of The Way of the Cross which punctuate the entrance to the shrine.
The sanctuary of Our Lady of Mount Carmel lies in Tianjiajing (Linxian district), in the diocese of Anyang, in the reaches of a mountain which dominates majestic scenery. It was ordered built by PIME missionary Msgr. Stefano Scarsella, then apostolic vicar to northern Henan, to thank the Virgin for preserving them from the dangers of the Boxers persecution in 1900. The shrine was built in1903-1905.
The elegantly styled neo-roman Church was almost completely destroyed first by the Japanese in the Second World War, then by the Red Guard in the 60’s. Since 1979, the faithful returned to celebrating their faith with solemn liturgies and pilgrimages, travelling many kilometres on foot to the sanctuary ruins and representation of the Lourdes Grotto, where still today the original Marian statue can be seen.
(Excerpt) Read more at chinaview.wordpress.com …
The sanctuary of Our Lady of Mount Carmel lies in Tianjiajing (Linxian district), in the diocese of Anyang, in the reaches of a mountain which dominates majestic scenery. It was ordered built by PIME missionary Msgr. Stefano Scarsella, then apostolic vicar to northern Henan, to thank the Virgin for preserving them from the dangers of the Boxers persecution in 1900. The shrine was built in1903-1905.
The elegantly styled neo-roman Church was almost completely destroyed first by the Japanese in the Second World War, then by the Red Guard in the 60’s. Since 1979, the faithful returned to celebrating their faith with solemn liturgies and pilgrimages, travelling many kilometres on foot to the sanctuary ruins and representation of the Lourdes Grotto, where still today the original Marian statue can be seen.
(Excerpt) Read more at chinaview.wordpress.com …
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Timothy_486
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It seems the trend in other parts of the country, thankfully, are looking good for Catholics… for example China has for a while now been allowing mass distribution of bibles (biblesociety.org/wr_357/357_08.htm) and the government is busy restoring Saint Mary’s Catholic church in Kunming along with other church properties (chinavista.com/travel/travel_china/tc0715.html) plus right now the government of China is in secret talks with the Vatican and will soon allow the whole church of China to recognize the authority of the pope.
The destruction of this Marian site is a sign that the mainstream government is now more open to economic and religious freedom, and that the leftover hardcore Marxists, who are dwindling, are now venting their rage that they are losing this battle. This decision to destroy the site is a last desperate act of defeat (as is the recent decision by some authorities to ban certain websites, which is failing badly), and while I hope the shrine survives and this planned destruction does not past, this at least is a sign that communism and its few supporters left in the government have their days numbered.
The destruction of this Marian site is a sign that the mainstream government is now more open to economic and religious freedom, and that the leftover hardcore Marxists, who are dwindling, are now venting their rage that they are losing this battle. This decision to destroy the site is a last desperate act of defeat (as is the recent decision by some authorities to ban certain websites, which is failing badly), and while I hope the shrine survives and this planned destruction does not past, this at least is a sign that communism and its few supporters left in the government have their days numbered.
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Andy_K
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My ignorance of China’s current political stability prevents me from actually contributing anything lucrative to this discussion, but I dearly, dearly hope and pray that you are right about this.
I almost cried when I read the thread title.I trust and pray that the Lord, as always, will find a way to make this occurrence meant to demean and ridicule his Holy Mother into a demonstration of his power and glory, be it through miraculous intervention to stop the shrine’s destruction, courageous action on the part of loyal Catholics in the area, or whatever else He has in store.
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Timothy_486
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This is odd… I can find NO information on this shrine besides on news sites and blogs that are reporting this very story. I have found scarce info on Monsignor Stefano Scarsella, but nothing about him making a shrine. I also looked up info on Anyang and have not seen any info on any Marian shrine in that area. Also “Tianjiajing” does not even seem to exist! Plus I cannot find even one photo of this shrine! Unless someone has better luck than me and finds more concrete info on this place, I smell a fake story that was told to AsiaNews.
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Timothy_486
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In the meantime, I have posted this story in a Chinese history and culture forum I frequent often, the people there are resourceful and I hope to get some accurate answers from there
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m134e5
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For years, Catholics prayed for the conversion of Russia. It would be a good idea to pray for the conversion of China as well. Pray that world leaders will see communism for what it is.
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isaiah_9v6
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They can destroy a shrine of our Blessed Lady. But they can never destroy the love we have for her. Our lady must really scare the Chinese Government. Maybe they seen what happened to the U.S.S.R.
Jeff Kramer U.S.A
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Pray for the conversion of China. They need it :eek:
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Rosalinda
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Timothy 486 originally posted:
[sign]This is odd… I can find NO information on this shrine…Unless someone has better luck than me and finds more concrete info on this place, I smell a fake story that was told to AsiaNews[/sign]
I trust Zenit news which reported this article from AsiaNews was confident of its reliability. Likewise, it is hardly odd you can find so little news about this on the Internet. China remains a communist government. A part from the serious repercussions to any human rights activist for exposing such egregious violations to human rights, one would be wise to remember the strong censorship policy of China which most certainly does include the worldwide web. Information is controlled both ways.
An interesting article in Macleans Magazine explores this very issue.
[sign]This is odd… I can find NO information on this shrine…Unless someone has better luck than me and finds more concrete info on this place, I smell a fake story that was told to AsiaNews[/sign]
I trust Zenit news which reported this article from AsiaNews was confident of its reliability. Likewise, it is hardly odd you can find so little news about this on the Internet. China remains a communist government. A part from the serious repercussions to any human rights activist for exposing such egregious violations to human rights, one would be wise to remember the strong censorship policy of China which most certainly does include the worldwide web. Information is controlled both ways.
An interesting article in Macleans Magazine explores this very issue.
macleans.ca/article.jsp?content=20070611_106133_106133
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Timothy_486
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Yet that has nothing to do with me trying to find info on a supposed shrine that was built 50 YEARS before the communist revolution! As I said, I can find NOTHING on “Tianjiajing”, which when searched on the web will only appear in this news story, nor can I find any pictures of this place (Someone in an other thread did post one picture they said was it, but it could not be confirmed since no one has tried to find out what the Chinese signs say in the photo)
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Godi
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The Chinese Government is messin’ with the wrong Lady!!!Praying
Blessed mother, look after your faithful servants in China.
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Rosalinda
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Raymond Arroyo will be featuring Steven Mosher, president of the Population Research Institute on the World Over this Friday, June 29 at 8:00p.m. (EST), reruns Saturday at 1:00p.m., Sunday 4:00p.m., Monday 10:00a.m.& 11:00p.m… Guest Steven Mosher will be speaking about China’s one child policy and religious persecution.
Anyone who thinks Catholic news sources are unreliable and spreading false rumors or “fake” stories, as Timothy has alleged, should watch this episode for a proper perspective.
ewtn.com/worldover/index.asp
It is ludicrous to suggest a statue of Our Lady, which is all that remains of the historic shrine, would be on any Chinese tour guide or promoted through any officially sanctioned Chinese website. (As stated in the original article from AsiaNews, the church has already been destroyed.) After all, the Boxer Rebellion killed thousands of foreign missionaries, their families and their Chinese converts. A remotely located shrine erected in thanksgiving for lives spared is not something an atheistic regime wants commemorated annually by tens of thousands of pilgrims. Chinese history books made heroes out of these murderous thugs completely expunging the massacre of innocents and it comes as no surprise, more then one hundred years later, the government has set its sights on destroying this memorial.
If there is a campaign of misinformation, it is promulgated by the Chinese government in a vain effort to whitewash human rights abuses in advance of the Olympics in 2008.
hrw.org/english/docs/2007/05/31/china16029.htm
hrw.org/backgrounder/asia/china-bck-0701.htm
Anyone who thinks Catholic news sources are unreliable and spreading false rumors or “fake” stories, as Timothy has alleged, should watch this episode for a proper perspective.
ewtn.com/worldover/index.asp
It is ludicrous to suggest a statue of Our Lady, which is all that remains of the historic shrine, would be on any Chinese tour guide or promoted through any officially sanctioned Chinese website. (As stated in the original article from AsiaNews, the church has already been destroyed.) After all, the Boxer Rebellion killed thousands of foreign missionaries, their families and their Chinese converts. A remotely located shrine erected in thanksgiving for lives spared is not something an atheistic regime wants commemorated annually by tens of thousands of pilgrims. Chinese history books made heroes out of these murderous thugs completely expunging the massacre of innocents and it comes as no surprise, more then one hundred years later, the government has set its sights on destroying this memorial.
If there is a campaign of misinformation, it is promulgated by the Chinese government in a vain effort to whitewash human rights abuses in advance of the Olympics in 2008.
hrw.org/english/docs/2007/05/31/china16029.htm
hrw.org/backgrounder/asia/china-bck-0701.htm
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