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vern_humphrey said:
Without meaning to offend you, let me point out that chidren’s reactions are often not caused by what they see, but by their parent’s reactions to them.

Unless you exhibited no reaction at all to the pictures – didn’t even notice them – it is not possible to say whether your child was responting to the pictures or to your reactions.
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That may well be the case but since you can’t guarantee that every parent has the capacity to react in the same way as you would then you should not be showing the pictures to young children. You have backed up my opinion. Thankyou Vern.
 
That may well be the case but since you can’t guarantee that every parent has the capacity to react in the same way as you would then you should not be showing the pictures to young children. You have inadvertantly backed op my argument Vern. Well done for admitting there may be problems!
 
Linnyo said:
That may well be the case but since you can’t guarantee that every parent has the capacity to react in the same way as you would then you should not be showing the pictures to young children. You have backed up my opinion. Thankyou Vern.
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I am under no obligation to guarantee that every parent has adequate parenting skills. In fact I guarentee that there are some parents who don’t. That’s why we have a Department of Child Welfare – to protect children from inadequate parents.
 
vern_humphrey said:
I am under no obligation to guarantee that every parent has adequate parenting skills. In fact I guarentee that there are some parents who don’t. That’s why we have a Department of Child Welfare – to protect children from inadequate parents.
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You are out of line here Vern! Are you trying to say that a parent who finds it difficult to find the words to explain your morbidly graphic pictures to a pre-schooler is an inadequate parent? I would consider myself to be a well educated, sensible parent. I have a reputation amongst my friends and family as being a ‘good’ parent. I am a qualified primary school teacher with 8 years experience and am half way through a second degree in psychology. My kids are loved, cared for and educated in right and wrong and both of them know that to harm another is sinful. They also know that God knew them when they weren’t even born and that life starts in the womb.
Yet, I still found it difficult to explain the atrocities in your pictures to my children. You seem to think that makes me an inadequate parent however, it only shows that I am not perfect. Like you Vern I am not perfect. Yet you would consider that I am a case for the child welfare department! What exactly do my children need protected from? I’ll tell you. They need to be protected from anything that mey damage their minds or take away their peace of mind. They do not need to be exposed to graphic pictures. I have not spent the last few years ensuring that they don’t watch violent or sexually inappropriate programmes on the TV and keeping them away from danger so that some misguided person with a cause can come along and traumatise them in one foul swoop. It is a parents job to make childhood a pleasant experience and a safe experience.
Vern, I am of the opinion that you should start using your brain and stop being so obnoxious and judgemental in your posts. Of course these pictures have a place but it is not in front of young children. And don’t you dare go into a private dialogue about how I am only pretending to be pro-life because when it came to the crunch I had my children, I love them to bits and I will teach them how wrong abortion is at an APPROPRIATE age. I am every bit as pro-life as you!
 
Vern,
This child was seeing this while we were stopped at a red light. It was blantant. This child cannot handle blood/gore to the point where he can not handle fresh meat. Don’t tell me it is my fault. Ever. I have been in the “trenches” with this child and don’t tell me that it is my fault. Some people would have aborted this child. I did not, believing that he is a gift from God. The fault belongs with the self-centered people who were holding the pictures up. Or is it the fashion to blame the victim not the attacker? Can you admit that damage was done to my child by viewing those pictures? Of course not. You would have to make the leap to admitting that some times, not always, the pictures are not correct at being shown in the manner/location that they are shown.

In an earlier post you said that some do, in reguards to showing graphic pictures of what happens to drunk drivers. What area do you live in? I have never seen any graphic pictures along side the highway of anytype until the ones showing aborted babies. We don’t do that here. Is this the “norm” elsewhere? Even the billboards must have acceptable taste by the community they are in. A neighboring college town (pop. approx. 60,000), refused to let a sex shop of some sort, put up a billboard with the “XXX” on it. They could not get the billboard past the city council. No pictures, just the letters and some more advertising.

I wouldn’t call myself innocent after the horror I’ve seen as an EMT and a past solider, however, judging by what others think acceptable public viewing for children, I must be innocent yet.

If it is not “possible” to conclude that the child was damaged by the viewing and not the parental reaction, it is also not “possible” to conclude that abortions were stopped by people seeing the pictures. No one has yet posted a statistic that showed that abortions were stopped because the graphic pictures were seen on a highway or on the sides of a truck.
 
I am not sure why there is so much debate about using graphic pictures in the streets. As I have posted before, all the graphic pictures of abortion in the streets I have seen I recent years all having warning signs before entering the graphic pictures zone.

Therefore if you don’t want to see the pictures or if you are afraid of your children seeing the pictures, just detour and use another north/south or east/west street. This is not brain surgery. Just use a different route. That’s all.

I have held these pictures at stop lights. When people stop at the stop light I notice some people wiping their eyes after they tear up. I just know inside either this person was involved in a abortion or they advised someone to have an abortion or they are close to someone who had an abortion.

There are other people who will yell at you, swear at you or throw things at you because you are holding those graphic abortion signs. This is good because you know those pictures are affecting those people. The people you worry about are those who have no reaction to the pictures. Their hearts are still covered with concrete.

It’s good people can go on the internet and see the graphic pictures of abortion. Priests For Life has a great website. At that site there are an endless number of people who say seeing those graphic abortion pictures made them Pro-Life.

There are some people who will not use the internet to see those graphic abortion pictures. Therefore we need to continue to use our streets to show the pictures.

I think the common ground between those who are for showing graphic abortion pictures and those who don’t are just to use warning signs well enough in advance of the pictures so drivers can “choose” another route if they want.
 
Joab, I have to say your post sincerely moved me. I know someone who’s son had a similar reaction after seeing graphic abortin pics (the child had autism & bipolar disorder) and had to be admitted for a short time because he had threatened to kill someone whom he found out had an abortion 10 years earlier (his aunt). My prayers go out to you. This was hell on earth for her. How is your son doing now?
 
Amolibri said:
I agree with you, SMD. I had an encounter with some pickets, of a verbally unpleasant nature, when I stopped to talk about ADOPTION. They would not let me speak…and just considered me their enemy. :mad: One woman decided to speak to me privately as we walked down the street… :o
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Forgive me if I say I don’t believe you. The pro-life people who hold these signs rather than spending their Saturdays mowing their lawns or watching the game on TV would give their right arm if a woman would consider adoption rather than abortion. I will remember you in my prayers tonight.
 
This thread started 26 days ago. In that time almost 93,000 babies have been murdered at the hands of abortionists. In that time, 1,194 people were killed by drunk driving. 3,253 americans have been diagnosed with AIDs and 1,211 have succumbed to this disease. Only cancer, and that is all types of cancer, has taken more lives at 102,925.

Why is it we pay so much attention to these but we fight tooth and nail against discussing the murder of the unborn child?
 
boppaid,
thank you for your inquiry. Our son has two of the things you mentioned plus a few more. He also has a slight physical impairment. He is doing good right now. Of course, his world is more structured and isolated than a “normal” child. There are times when I don’t want to be in his world and still hope that he will be able to be in the “real” world instead. His rhetoric about killing everyone who is involved with abortions has toned down.

I just get so upset when the parent(me in this case) is blamed for the damage done to the child. How is it the parents fault? Why is it not the persons holding up the graphic pictures? I did not see any warning much less, as a tourist, have the ability to “steer” around the pictures especially when I didn’t know they were going to be shown.
I haven’t seen any evidence that standing on the side of any highway with these pictures saves babies.
Does the abortion numbers bread down by state/county areas? Maybe we don’t have as many abortions as say a well populated area. Of course, one abortion is too many. Does it show also where the abortionist are? I think you have to go to a large like metropolitan area. I would be interested in that breakdown.

I do know that if ever I get a vacation again, it won’t be with the children if we want to go out-of-state.
 
Philothea53 said:
Forgive me if I say I don’t believe you. The pro-life people who hold these signs rather than spending their Saturdays mowing their lawns or watching the game on TV would give their right arm if a woman would consider adoption rather than abortion. I will remember you in my prayers tonight.
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Believe me or not…I have nothing to gain by deceiving you. As I walked up to the pickets, they (mostly older people) just began their pre-packaged speeches…except the one woman who took me aside. I am curious to know why you picked out my post to challenge/confront. I will pray for you too.🙂
 
SuscipeMeDomine said:
Pictures like that are so disgusting that I don’t want to be associated with those who call themselves pro-life.

It’s quite an accomplishment to alienate those who are on your side.
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How about - Pictures like that are so disgusting that I don’t wantto be associated with those who call themselves pro-choice. I could not imagine a decent human being accepting that as a choice.
 
Linnyo said:
You are out of line here Vern!
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And who gave you the authority to pass judgement on everyone else?
Linnyo said:
Are you trying to say that a parent who finds it difficult to find the words to explain your morbidly graphic pictures to a pre-schooler is an inadequate parent?
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I would say that a parent who cannot explain things like that to a child without upsetting the child needs to take some parenting classes.
Linnyo said:
I would consider myself to be a well educated, sensible parent.
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And yet, instead of working on parenting skills you come here and upbraid others.
 
Amolibri said:
Believe me or not…I have nothing to gain by deceiving you. As I walked up to the pickets, they (mostly older people) just began their pre-packaged speeches…except the one woman who took me aside. I am curious to know why you picked out my post to challenge/confront. I will pray for you too.🙂
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Because you obviously lied.
 
vern_humphrey said:
Parents are adults – they should learn not to get upset.
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You are so right Vern…I need to learn to not get upset when being attacked by you on my parenting skills. You seem to feel a need to attack when dialoged about a cause that you believe is the only way. So it is the christian way then, to blame the victim instead of the perp? Are you so rigid in your way of being, that you cannot, for a second, entertain that there are other options that may be better than the one you are using? Or at least as effective? You sure know how to use words.

Are you one of “those” pro-lifers"? You know the ones. The ones that the unborn child is everything, but once born, who cares? At least they are alive. The ones who don’t lend a hand without judgement on their parents? The ones who look down from the church pew at those born children with disdain for the parents? Then when they commit horror( I pray on the hour my child won’t be a murderer), you cannot understand why they did such a thing.

Another thought: Why are the people who push these pictures on the unsuspecting public, not held to “at least the standard” of the corrupted media? There are ratings and disclaimers of all sorts for pictures less graphic than these. Isn’t it interesting that “Hollywood” knows what is graphic but the picture pushers don’t. When questioned, the picture pushers cop-out with" but look at all the babies we saved". Never mind the damage done to any living child, never mind that all we can show is testimonials just like the info-commercials use. I have yet to see the statistics that show that these pictures in a public place, shown to the unsuspecting public, giving them no choice whether to view or not, has stopped an abortion.

Have the trucks stopped driving around since this thread started? Have pictures quit being shoved on the unsuspecting public since the thread started? If not, then the proof that this is not the only way lies in the numbers quoted on the thread. Posted on Aug 21, a poster stated that in the 26 days of the thread, 93,000 babies have been killed. So why didn’t these graphic pictures save most of these babies?
 
The charity level on this thread is no longer appropriate for this forum. Thank you to all who participated, this thread is now closed.

Mane Nobiscum Domine,
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