Choosing a parish

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As some of you already know, I’m at a parish that is considered very liberal. I also have a TLM near by. I’m stuck at my parish until June (wedding). After that, I’m undecided about what to do. I’d love to support the diocese’s efforts to provide a TLM! And I would personally find that liturgy much more to my liking. However, I kinda feel called to be at the parish that I am at. I feel like I need to stay there to be an advocate of orthodoxy. My concern is my daughter. At the liberal parish, I’m concerned she might hear some heterodoxy. But I’m aware that I’m ultimately responsible for her faith formation. At the TLM parish, I’m afraid she will be bored out of her mind (she’s 5 yrs old) and will have a dislike for church (especially considering that on the weekends that her grandpa has her he takes her to a protestant service, which obviously is more lively than a TLM and I think kids like things that are more lively).

Thoughts?
 
There are three other options you know…
  1. Anglican Use parish (very traditionally Catholic yet in English)
  2. Conservative Novus Ordo parish (rare but they do exist)
  3. Byzantine (or Eastern) Catholic parish
 
whether my kid would be entertained would not even be on my radar

choose the parish that best supports you and your family in living and handing on the faith and worshipping as the Church intends. don’t assume because the Mass is not TLM that teaching and other aspects are therefore heterodox, make it your business to find out if your family is going to be a member of that parish. You will have to soon make Catholic school or CCD decisions and provision for your child’s sacramental preparation, so also find out what is offered, when to sign up, and most of all how you can contribute, and make sure you are registered at the parish where you expect to ask for these services.

kids do not always prefer what is more “lively” and most respond especially starting at her age, to the reverence, mystery, sounds, smells, postures and general “goodness” of the Latin Mass. it is so formative for my childhood I cannot overstate the beneficial impact growing up in that tradition has had on me, and the nostalgia I have for it, so this is personal, but don’t pre-judge your daughter’s reactions until you have taken her regularly.
 
There are three other options you know…
  1. Anglican Use parish (very traditionally Catholic yet in English)
  2. Conservative Novus Ordo parish (rare but they do exist)
  3. Byzantine (or Eastern) Catholic parish
Those are not currently realistic options. I’m trying to choose between the two parishes nearest to me.
 
My concern is my daughter. At the liberal parish, I’m concerned she might hear some heterodoxy. But I’m aware that I’m ultimately responsible for her faith formation. At the TLM parish, I’m afraid she will be bored out of her mind (she’s 5 yrs old) and will have a dislike for church (especially considering that on the weekends that her grandpa has her he takes her to a protestant service, which obviously is more lively than a TLM and I think kids like things that are more lively).
Okay, I have a couple of insights since I have children in this age group. First, the TLM is no more “boring” for a 5 year old than a Novus Ordo mass. In fact, one could easily argue the TLM is actually more interesting for such a small child, because of the interesting ritual.

I guarantee your 5 year old gets very little out of the contemporary Novus Ordo. So you really shouldn’t look at language as that big of an obstacle.

Now in regards to her grandpa taking her to a Protestant service, only you can fix that. First, of course you make it clear that while grandpa is free to take her to protestant services, he is to make sure that nobody pressures her into choosing between Catholicism and Protestantism. Simply inform him that is way too much pressure for a small child, and that small children view choosing between religions the same as choosing between guardians (grandfather and mother). That’s not fair to the child, and no child should ever feel pressured or forced into that situation. Assure the grandfather you’re not worried about him, it’s the others at his church you would like him to keep an eye on. If she ever feels pressured, it will be just as damaging to her relationship with grandpa as it will with her mom.

Now the rest is again up to you. You’ll have to do some educating with your child about the different Christian faiths. We’re in a similar situation with our children who have grandparents, aunts, uncles and cousins who are Evangelicals. What I do is tell my children that Jesus has lots of sheep, and he wants them all in the sheep pen which is his Catholic Church. He wants them there to keep them safe from the storms, but some are not ready to go in yet. I also tell them that Jesus built the Catholic Church on the rock, so when the storms come it will not crumble because it is built on a strong rock, but other churches are not built on that rock so they might crumble in the storms.

These are simplistic illustrations, and of course I do try to explain the meaning of them as I can, and as they are able to understand. But these mental pictures will serve their purpose for the time being. I don’t have a problem with letting my kids go to an Evangelical service once in a while so they can experience it. Nor do I have a problem sending them to Vacation Bible School at a nearby Catholic Church where they will have a similar experience. Likewise, I do put on contemporary Christian music while driving in my car, even though I am a very traditional Catholic and prefer to listen to more traditional music. I do this so my children will get variety, and they will never feel they have to “choose” between what they believe to be “boring” Catholic worship and “exciting” Evangelical prayer and praise services.

I try to explain to them the difference between worship and prayer, as well as worship and praise. I try to explain that worship is not the same as prayer and praise, and that worship involves sacrifice, otherwise it’s not fully worship. Christians are supposed to pray and praise God, but at the same time we need more. We need to worship him too, and that involves the sacrifice of the mass.

So far I’ve not had any problems with my kids on this issue.
 
I would definirely go liberal. As one poster said no TLM does not equate to heterodoxy. So why turn your child off?
 
Okay, I have a couple of insights since I have children in this age group. First, the TLM is no more “boring” for a 5 year old than a Novus Ordo mass. In fact, one could easily argue the TLM is actually more interesting for such a small child, because of the interesting ritual.

I guarantee your 5 year old gets very little out of the contemporary Novus Ordo. So you really shouldn’t look at language as that big of an obstacle.

Now in regards to her grandpa taking her to a Protestant service, only you can fix that. First, of course you make it clear that while grandpa is free to take her to protestant services, he is to make sure that nobody pressures her into choosing between Catholicism and Protestantism. Simply inform him that is way too much pressure for a small child, and that small children view choosing between religions the same as choosing between guardians (grandfather and mother). That’s not fair to the child, and no child should ever feel pressured or forced into that situation. Assure the grandfather you’re not worried about him, it’s the others at his church you would like him to keep an eye on. If she ever feels pressured, it will be just as damaging to her relationship with grandpa as it will with her mom.

Now the rest is again up to you. You’ll have to do some educating with your child about the different Christian faiths. We’re in a similar situation with our children who have grandparents, aunts, uncles and cousins who are Evangelicals. What I do is tell my children that Jesus has lots of sheep, and he wants them all in the sheep pen which is his Catholic Church. He wants them there to keep them safe from the storms, but some are not ready to go in yet. I also tell them that Jesus built the Catholic Church on the rock, so when the storms come it will not crumble because it is built on a strong rock, but other churches are not built on that rock so they might crumble in the storms.

These are simplistic illustrations, and of course I do try to explain the meaning of them as I can, and as they are able to understand. But these mental pictures will serve their purpose for the time being. I don’t have a problem with letting my kids go to an Evangelical service once in a while so they can experience it. Nor do I have a problem sending them to Vacation Bible School at a nearby Catholic Church where they will have a similar experience. Likewise, I do put on contemporary Christian music while driving in my car, even though I am a very traditional Catholic and prefer to listen to more traditional music. I do this so my children will get variety, and they will never feel they have to “choose” between what they believe to be “boring” Catholic worship and “exciting” Evangelical prayer and praise services.

I try to explain to them the difference between worship and prayer, as well as worship and praise. I try to explain that worship is not the same as prayer and praise, and that worship involves sacrifice, otherwise it’s not fully worship. Christians are supposed to pray and praise God, but at the same time we need more. We need to worship him too, and that involves the sacrifice of the mass.

So far I’ve not had any problems with my kids on this issue.
Very insightful!

I wanted to clarify however, that I’m not concerned about the contrast between our Novus Ordo and the United Methodist church her grandpa takes her to. She doesn’t really get bored at either. I’m concerned between the contrast of the TLM and grandpa’s church, which is what she would experience weekly if I chose the TLM.

I’m not concerned because I think anyone will pressure her - they’re not bible thumping evangelicals at that church. Specifically the thing that is of concern to me is the “children’s litrugy” which they have at the liberal parish that I currently attend and they also have at the united methodist church her grandpa goes to. That children’s liturgy in contrast to the TLM is what I think will make the TLM seem boring to her.
 
As some of you already know, I’m at a parish that is considered very liberal. I also have a TLM near by. I’m stuck at my parish until June (wedding). After that, I’m undecided about what to do. I’d love to support the diocese’s efforts to provide a TLM! And I would personally find that liturgy much more to my liking. However, I kinda feel called to be at the parish that I am at. I feel like I need to stay there to be an advocate of orthodoxy. My concern is my daughter. At the liberal parish, I’m concerned she might hear some heterodoxy. But I’m aware that I’m ultimately responsible for her faith formation. At the TLM parish, I’m afraid she will be bored out of her mind (she’s 5 yrs old) and will have a dislike for church (especially considering that on the weekends that her grandpa has her he takes her to a protestant service, which obviously is more lively than a TLM and I think kids like things that are more lively).

Thoughts?
I wonder, if perhaps you couldn’t do both? Many people who attend the Latin Mass where I do have responsibilities and connections to other parishes as well (teaching, music, family, RCIA for me, etc). If they are both close by, and the Mass times don’t conflict (mine don’t, because they have the Latin Mass later in the afternoon after the OF masses at the other parish), why not do both?

You can receive twice a day.🙂 Be a light for orthodoxy in your current parish AND expose your daughter to the richness of Catholic tradition.
 
I would definirely go liberal. As one poster said no TLM does not equate to heterodoxy. So why turn your child off?
Well, my liberal parish scares me a bit because of things they have like Life Teen and Centering Prayer, and a deacon who says crazy things to me like “we don’t emphasize mortal sin” and “Catholic Answers and EWTN will turn you into a Pharasee” and “The Catechism is garbage and if you don’t believe that you can’t get baptized here” and “we’re a Vatican II church”…

Not to mention liturgical abuse, and a general new agey vibe warm and fuzzy vibe that makes me want to puke most the time.
 
My 11 year old happens to like the Latin Mass and Gregorian Chant.

Once his catechism class is over for the school year, we are going to visit a parish in the next town every so often during the summer to hear TLM. I only hope the priest’s and altar servers’ microphones are working so we can hear what is being said! (Only problem I’ve had so far with it—it’s so lovely.—all I can remember is the “New Mass”, post V2)
 
I wonder, if perhaps you couldn’t do both? Many people who attend the Latin Mass where I do have responsibilities and connections to other parishes as well (teaching, music, family, RCIA for me, etc). If they are both close by, and the Mass times don’t conflict (mine don’t, because they have the Latin Mass later in the afternoon after the OF masses at the other parish), why not do both?

You can receive twice a day.🙂 Be a light for orthodoxy in your current parish AND expose your daughter to the richness of Catholic tradition.
LOL that sounds awsome but I don’t think it’s realistic to expect her to do that at this age, at least not with this hyper little child. I have thought of doing that on the weekends that I don’t have her for my self, however.
 
My 11 year old happens to like the Latin Mass and Gregorian Chant.

Once his catechism class is over for the school year, we are going to visit a parish in the next town every so often during the summer to hear TLM. I only hope the priest’s and altar servers’ microphones are working so we can hear what is being said! (Only problem I’ve had so far with it—it’s so lovely.—all I can remember is the “New Mass”, post V2)
Hmmm…maybe that’s our problem. I have to admit our TLM is bit boring (and I really hate to say that), and I think would be especially for kids, because we can never hear what is being said and there is no music/singers…i mean, there are only 15 people who even attend it seems…so it’s not like i can expect those things but they definitly add to the beauty. And no I don’t mean it’s boring in a bad way, I just mean…it could be a lot better.
 
This is really a hard decision, and I have a good bit of time to make it, but thank you for your opinions!

No one has supported the view that I should stay at the liberal parish to help advocate for orthodoxy, which happens to be the view that I currently feel the strongest.

Is it a lost cause? What do you all think about that?
 
Well, my liberal parish scares me a bit because of things they have like Life Teen and Centering Prayer, and a deacon who says crazy things to me like “we don’t emphasize mortal sin” and “Catholic Answers and EWTN will turn you into a Pharasee” and “The Catechism is garbage and if you don’t believe that you can’t get baptized here” and “we’re a Vatican II church”…

Not to mention liturgical abuse, and a general new agey vibe warm and fuzzy vibe that makes me want to puke most the time.
😦 I long for a Vat 2 parish with Lifeteen and not emphasizing some of the sins the CC defines as mortal.
 
Wait a minute - you’ve got some serious issues. First, you’re concerned with your daughter’s exposure to heterodoxy (and rightly so) but at the same time you’re willing to let your daughter attend a heretical protestant service with her grandpa? That doesn’t make a whole lot of sense. Your main purpose in life as a parent is to provide for your children both physically and spiritually - spiritually being more important than physically. In other words, do whatever you have to to provide for your family’s spiritual well being first - even if that means you’re eating beans and rice for every meal rather than live a little better and have to expose your daughter to heresy. I think some re-evaluating is in order.

God will take care of you if you do what is right first and foremost:

Mathew 6:31-33

*Be not solicitous therefore, saying, What shall we eat: or what shall we drink, or wherewith shall we be clothed? 32 For after all these things do the heathens seek. For your Father knoweth that you have need of all these things. 33 Seek ye therefore first the kingdom of God, and his justice, and all these things shall be added unto you. *

The protestant stuff aside, there is no doubt in my mind you should stay the heck away from that liberal parish especially with young ones. I was of the same mindset as you and I stuck out the local novus ordo until I had children… I still took my young ones to this not-so-liberal parish until I noticed them picking up on all the bad habits and abuses going on and after every Mass I would have to correct them and tell them that even though they may see many people do this or that it’s not right and we shouldn’t do it. I realize it was always a negative experience because you always had to teach the correct way of doing things and this would probably leave a negative impression on my little one’s concerning the Church. Little one’s may grow into the mindset of ‘if the Church is wrong in these things why not these others?’ I wanted to take them somewhere where we could always praise what is right and good and not always having to explain why certain things are wrong. The straw that broke the camel’s back for me was when my little ones were sitting in the pew and the Priest starting preaching in favor of women ‘priests’ and how it’s an injustice for the Church not to allow them. We got up and removed our registration from that parish and went to the Traditional Latin Mass ever since. Now we can praise the good incessantly w/o having to worry about abuses.

You really don’t want to expose your children to such nonsense and heresy at their young formational age - you’re going to be a wreck trying to undo this damage the rest of your life. God gave you at least one precious gem so far - He expects to receive that jewel back from your hands polished and glistening with even more value.
 
Wait a minute - you’ve got some serious issues. First, you’re concerned with your daughter’s exposure to heterodoxy (and rightly so) but at the same time you’re willing to let your daughter attend a heretical protestant service with her grandpa? That doesn’t make a whole lot of sense. Your main purpose in life as a parent is to provide for your children both physically and spiritually - spiritually being more important than physically. In other words, do whatever you have to to provide for your family’s spiritual well being first - even if that means you’re eating beans and rice for every meal rather than live a little better and have to expose your daughter to heresy. I think some re-evaluating is in order.
What exactly would you have me do? Not allow her to spend the weekend at her father’s, who lives with his parents? (he’s in college, we were unmarried teen parents to all those wondering). Tell her grandpa (who’s the one that watches her while her dad has to work on weekends) that he can’t go to church on Sunday’s when he has his grandaughter?
 
What exactly would you have me do? Not allow her to spend the weekend at her father’s, who lives with his parents? (he’s in college, we were unmarried teen parents to all those wondering). Tell her grandpa (who’s the one that watches her while her dad has to work on weekends) that he can’t go to church on Sunday’s when he has his grandaughter?
How much do you value your child’s faith and spirituality? Visiting the father or her grandparents is not an absolute good and if it’s going to jeopardize your daughter’s faith then it should be altogether avoided. But there’s always compomises: Why not just visit Saturday or other days during the week, like friday afternoon & saturday? Or Saturday / Sunday morning then you can pick her up that morning for Mass. You could also kindly let the grandfather know your daughter is Catholic and needs to attend Mass and not a protestant service.

P.S. I didn’t mean my original post to sound confrontational - when I said you have more serious issues I meant there are more serious issues at hand than just what parish to attend. I’m sorry if that was offensive.
 
😦 I long for a Vat 2 parish with Lifeteen and not emphasizing some of the sins the CC defines as mortal.
Earlier:
I would definirely go liberal. As one poster said no TLM does not equate to heterodoxy. So why turn your child off?
Are you being sarcastic, trolling, or are you serious?
 
Earlier:

Are you being sarcastic, trolling, or are you serious?
No. No not trolling. I don’t consider myself traditional. But I saw the title of this thread off to the left of my screen as a recent thread and I am always looking for a parish so I came to the traditional forum to see what the thread was about. I hope that was ok and not considered trolling. Yes totally serious. Peace.
 
I’ll vouch for CMatt. He (or she) is not trolling. Misdirected, but not a troll. (I know this because of our PM conversation.)
 
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