'Chrislam' in Protestant churches

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A Protestant renewal organization is concerned about the recent efforts of some mainline Protestant churches to produce an ecumenical reconciliation between Christianity and Islam.

According to a recent blog post from The Last Crusade, Memorial Drive Presbyterian Church in Houston, along with other congregations in Atlanta, Seattle, and Detroit, preached sermons and held Sunday school lessons on the founder of Islam, Mohammad, whom Muslims consider a prophet. Qurans were also placed in the pews next to Bibles.

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Abyssinia said:
A Protestant renewal organization is concerned about the recent efforts of some mainline Protestant churches to produce an ecumenical reconciliation between Christianity and Islam.

According to a recent blog post from The Last Crusade, Memorial Drive Presbyterian Church in Houston, along with other congregations in Atlanta, Seattle, and Detroit, preached sermons and held Sunday school lessons on the founder of Islam, Mohammad, whom Muslims consider a prophet. Qurans were also placed in the pews next to Bibles.

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I wonder what the point of that is? 🤷

I don’t know if you’ve ever seen The Big Question on BBC 1 Sundays? Last weekend was the most painful one I’ve seen 😦 there was a CofE “bishop” (aka lay person masquerading in episcopal garb :p) on there who was truly dreadful, in fact, someone in the audience actually questioned his Christianity, however I was amazed that the Muslims were the only ones standing up for a Christian ethic on the show. They made some great points and if they didn’t turn up, there would have been no one to offer a counter point! You certainly couldn’t count on the “bishop”!
 
Abyssinia said:
According to a recent blog post from The Last Crusade
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:ehh:

The American Family Association (a conservative pressure group) article cited in the first post doesn’t provide any details to support its claim. Instead it refers us to a blog with a rather dodgy name (could it be that the blog as an agenda?) But the link isn’t to any of the posts on that blog, just to the blog in general, which makes fact checking difficult. Is there any concrete information to support the claim that the churches in question have blended Christianity with Islam?
 
Abyssinia said:
A Protestant renewal organization is concerned about the recent efforts of some mainline Protestant churches to produce an ecumenical reconciliation between Christianity and Islam.

According to a recent blog post from The Last Crusade, Memorial Drive Presbyterian Church in Houston, along with other congregations in Atlanta, Seattle, and Detroit, preached sermons and held Sunday school lessons on the founder of Islam, Mohammad, whom Muslims consider a prophet. Qurans were also placed in the pews next to Bibles.

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There is no way to reconcile the theology of Christianity and Islam. They are, theologically speaking, mututally imcompatible. Now, there is nothing wrong with having congenial dialogue between Christians and Muslims, but to have some amalgamized religion is pointless. Either Muslims have to acknowledge Jesus as God, or Christians have to ackowledge that Jesus isn’t God.
 
FightingFat said:
I wonder what the point of that is? 🤷

I don’t know if you’ve ever seen The Big Question on BBC 1 Sundays? Last weekend was the most painful one I’ve seen 😦 there was a CofE “bishop” (aka lay person masquerading in episcopal garb :p) on there who was truly dreadful, in fact, someone in the audience actually questioned his Christianity, however I was amazed that the Muslims were the only ones standing up for a Christian ethic on the show. They made some great points and if they didn’t turn up, there would have been no one to offer a counter point! You certainly couldn’t count on the “bishop”!
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I watched the Big Questions, no offense personally to that Church of England Bishop but I thought, this is why Anglicans are coming over to the Catholic Church. He said he did not know if there was life after death! I agree, some of the Muslims were standing up for Christian ethics more than the Bishop.
 
In another thread, Jharek, you wrote something that is quite apropos. You wrote that we Catholics must not blame Muslims for other Christians’ lack of faith.

You made a very good point, and one that cannot be pressed enough.

It is just not true that Muslims will never convert to Catholicism, or that Catholics cannot withstand the challenge of Islam to the faith.

It is also not true that Muslims and Catholics cannot live together peacefully.

But none of these things will come to pass if the process of evangelization is retarded by constant screeds against all things Islamic.
 
Scott_Lafrance said:
There is no way to reconcile the theology of Christianity and Islam. They are, theologically speaking, mututally imcompatible. Now, there is nothing wrong with having congenial dialogue between Christians and Muslims, but to have some amalgamized religion is pointless. Either Muslims have to acknowledge Jesus as God, or Christians have to ackowledge that Jesus isn’t God.
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The same holds true for Jewish and Christian relations. Almost always cordial, making some good points about brotherhood and the such, but they can’t call Jesus the Son of God and Christians can’t say that the Messiah hasn’t yet come.

All three pray to the One God, but there isn’t enough for a reconciliation - only enough for respect of one another.
 
And from a different perspective, I am actively opposed to the spread of radical Islam, but such radical sites incite hatred of people and not ideology, in my experience anyway.
 
I too am neither Republican nor Democrat! It needs to be said that while some of the more intense reaction to the Chrislam movement comes from what many would call the fringier side – it is also true that there is an CHRISLAM movement, it does seek to induce a faith denying fusion of the two systems on the Christian side, and there are adherents - very small but growing - mainly because many in the more mainstream see it as harmless. Rick Warren has been associated with it and there has been some participation by some of the more “progressive” leaning Catholic parishes in the larger cities. It has reared its head during the Christmas season where Christmas carols are fused with the Call to Prayer! (Seen it in an Catholic Church in L.A.)

It has not been lost on many that, on the -Lam side of the Chrislam movement, the partners have almost all been affiliated known Muslim Brotherhood front groups!
 
Rich_Olszewski said:
The same holds true for Jewish and Christian relations. Almost always cordial, making some good points about brotherhood and the such, but they can’t call Jesus the Son of God and Christians can’t say that the Messiah hasn’t yet come.

All three pray to the One God, but there isn’t enough for a reconciliation - only enough for respect of one another.
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No, two pray to the same God, Muslims think they are praying to the same God. The New Testament does not contradict the Old, the Koran is a complete contradiction and only can lead to misery.
 
Abyssinia said:
A Protestant renewal organization is concerned about the recent efforts of some mainline Protestant churches to produce an ecumenical reconciliation between Christianity and Islam.

According to a recent blog post from The Last Crusade, Memorial Drive Presbyterian Church in Houston, along with other congregations in Atlanta, Seattle, and Detroit, preached sermons and held Sunday school lessons on the founder of Islam, Mohammad, whom Muslims consider a prophet. Qurans were also placed in the pews next to Bibles.

onenewsnow.com/Church/Default.aspx?id=1286950
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2 Peter 2:20-22:
For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world through the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first. For it would have been better for them never to have known the way of righteousness than after knowing it to turn back from the holy commandment delivered to them. What the true proverb says has happened to them: “The dog returns to its own vomit, and the sow, after washing herself, returns to wallow in the mire."
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Hebrew 6:4-8:
For it is impossible, in the case of those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, and have shared in the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the age to come, and then have fallen away, to restore them again to repentance, since they are crucifying once again the Son of God to their own harm and holding him up to contempt. For land that has drunk the rain that often falls on it, and produces a crop useful to those for whose sake it is cultivated, receives a blessing from God. But if it bears thorns and thistles, it is worthless and near to being cursed, and its end is to be burned.
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Hebrews 10:25-31:
Not neglecting to meet together, as is the habit of some, but encouraging one another, and all the more as you see the Day drawing near. For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a fearful expectation of judgment, and a fury of fire that will consume the adversaries. Anyone who has set aside the law of Moses dies without mercy on the evidence of two or three witnesses. How much worse punishment, do you think, will be deserved by the one who has spurned the Son of God, and has profaned the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has outraged the Spirit of grace? …
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Unless my eyes deceived me, why was this thread resurrected after a year. Threadnomancy?
 
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