Christ a lesser God?

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So are you saying that Jesus is not God the Son, the second Person of the Holy Trinity?
If that is the case then you are completely in error. To say that Jesus isn’t God is blasphemy and unbiblical. The Scriptures are clear and Tradition is clear, Jesus is God the Son, fully God and fully Man. And I can show you passages all over the Scriptures that show this.
But my main question is, do you deny the Trinity?
 
Senyorico said:
Then this Almighty God gives Christ, does this mean that God gives himself? How do I prove that Christ is also Almighty.
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Because he sits on the throne of God. One of the issues that plague deniers of the Trinity is that they routinely ignore the usages of God in the scriptures. The term God, is normatively used for the Father, whereas Christ is normatively referred to as the Son. Trinity deniers rightly pick up on this distinction in the use of the word God for the Father, and the Son for Christ. However, this is not the only usage of the term God, because in places such as John’s prologue, Philippians 2, 1 Peter, Titus, Jesus is explicitly referred to as God in the Jewish context, where only one God exists. Not only that, but in places such as Hebrews, Colossians, and John’s Gospel Jesus is explicitly given credit for creation, something the OT scriptures exclusively attribute to YHWH. The author of Hebrews also states that specific passages from the Psalms referring explicitly in the Hebrew scriptures to YHWH apply to Jesus.
 
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You didn’t answer my question a few days ago: Do you believe Jesus is God the Son, the Second Person of the Trinity?
 
SeekerOfTruth7 said:
You didn’t answer my question a few days ago: Do you believe Jesus is God the Son, the Second Person of the Trinity?
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I thought I did in what would be reaslized as a Yes

Do you answer // agree with this?

Just to be Sure…

God the Father sits on the Throne…

The Lamb / Son of God - Jesus - Sits at the Right Hand of God our Father, yes?
 
Ok, it just seemed that some of your comments seemed to indicate non-trinitarianism:
EndTimes said:
It appears to me as it God is almost always referring to God The Father… .

Jesus is God’s WORD… Who with the Father assisted in Creation before Jesus’ Nativity.
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But I must’ve of misunderstood.

As to your question, yes I believe Jesus is at the right hand of God the Father, but I absolutely do not believe that denies the Deity of the Son nor the truth of the Trinity.
 
SeekerOfTruth7 said:
As to your question, yes I believe Jesus is at the right hand of God the Father, but I absolutely do not believe that denies the Deity of the Son nor the truth of the Trinity.
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Although I’d compare notes with you on what you understand by the Truth of the Trinity,
what might make you think that anything I’ve posted might deny the Deity of God’s WORD?

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The wording that you have used in your past posts have a non-trinitarian feel to them is all. I was raised non-trinitarian, so i know how the lingo goes. But if thats all accidental then no foul.

What do you mean by:
EndTimes said:
Although I’d compare notes with you on what you understand by the Truth of the Trinity
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Do you have a different view on the Trinity?
 
SeekerOfTruth7 said:
The wording that you have used in your past posts have a non-trinitarian feel to them is all. I was raised non-trinitarian, so i know how the lingo goes. But if thats all accidental then no foul.

What do you mean by:

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Although I’d compare notes with you on what you understand by the Truth of the Trinity
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I’m pleased to discuss this… AND?

I need reminders of what you mean by my prior words — having a “non-Trinitarian feel” ?
Along with
What is Your View of the Trinity… ?

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EndTimes said:
Throughout most of the NT - when “GOD” is used .
It appears to me as it God is almost always referring to God The Father… .
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This is a common argument used by Unitarians to try and prove that God the Father is solely God and that Jesus isn’t God in the sense that the Father is. Arians used this argument throughout the 3rd and 4th century. This brought back memories of how I used to argue Christians when I didn’t believe in the Trinity.
EndTimes said:
God the Father sits on the Throne…

The Lamb / Son of God - Jesus - Sits at the Right Hand of God our Father, yes?
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This as well seems like a jab at the previous post, as if trying to prove that since the Father sits on the throne and Jesus is at the right hand of the Father that would mean Jesus isn’t God. But again like I said, these are arguments I used and these words brought back memories of arguments I used to have. If that was not the intention then no foul.
EndTimes said:
What is Your View of the Trinity… ?
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My view of the Trinity is the biblical and historical Catholic view. In the One Being of God, there exists Three co-equal and co-eternal Persons, namely: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. These Three Persons are not each other but separate Persons. I do not advocate modalism, tri-theism, or Unitarianism, but Trinitarianism affirmed by the Nicene Creed and Athanasius Creed.
What is your view? Does it differ?
 
Throughout most of the NT - when “GOD” is used .
It appears to me as it God is almost always referring to God The Father… .
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Well… I do believe in the Trinity . and if you’ve a fairly decent working knowledge of e.g., the New Testament, you’d see that what I’d said - is simply that - with no attempt to disprove the Trinity…

So… Check it out if you do not believe me…

Fact IS… the NT speaks long on Each Divine Person OF the Trinity–
Including that which I speak of above…

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EndTimes said:
if you’ve a fairly decent working knowledge of e.g., the New Testament
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Implying that I don’t?
EndTimes said:
you’d see that what I’d said - is simply that - with no attempt to disprove the Trinity…
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As I said in my last two posts, if that was not intended, then no foul. I am only giving you what I thought I read. I agree with you that in the NT when the word God is used, it is primarily used of the Father, just as when Lord is used it is almost always speaking of the Son. All I pointed out was that in this type of discussion, a random comment like that can be seen as a denial of Jesus divinity or a lessening of it for when I was a non-trinitarian I used that argument to try to show that Jesus wasn’t a God in the sense that the Father was. But, if you do not believe that then i rejoice!

God’s blessing to you
 
SeekerOfTruth7 said:
Implying that I don’t?
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No…

Since you’re leaving the impression to me that you do,
you must therefore know this to be so:

Throughout most of the NT - when “GOD” is used .
It appears to me as it God is almost always referring to God The Father… .
 
As i said in my post 🙂
SeekerOfTruth7 said:
I agree with you that in the NT when the word God is used, it is primarily used of the Father, just as when Lord is used it is almost always speaking of the Son.
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Both are true. Read Revelation which will describe both the Son ruling at the side of the Father, and sitting on the Father’s throne. The Son rules with the Father’s authority.
 
Hodos said:
Read Revelation which will describe both the Son ruling at the side of the Father, and sitting on the Father’s throne. The Son rules with the Father’s authority.
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Yes… This is well-known…

I’m familiar with Revelation. and the Apostles Creed - etc… Which are in agreement.
  1. I believe in God the Father, Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth:
  2. And in Jesus Christ, his only begotten Son, our Lord:
  3. Who was conceived by the Holy Ghost, born of the Virgin Mary:
4. Suffered under Pontius Pilate; was crucified, dead and buried: He descended into hell:
  1. The third day he rose again from the dead:
6. He ascended into heaven, and sits at the right hand of God the Father Almighty:
  1. From thence he shall come to judge the quick and the dead:
  2. I believe in the Holy Ghost:
  3. I believe in the holy catholic church: the communion of saints:
  4. The forgiveness of sins:
1l. The resurrection of the body:
  1. And the life everlasting. Amen.
 
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