Christ as our Sin-Bearer is not the RCC gospel.

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I see. So you think that God will allow you into His presence even though you’re not ontologically righteous? You don’t think He’ll need to make you Holy somehow in order to be in the hereafter? And someone correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t think Catholics believe they actually do anything either to earn or keep the salvation that is freely given - it’s all God’s doing - He provides the Grace, He’s the purifier in the end as well.
Unfortunately in dialogues with Roman Catholics when Protestants say that one is Justified by Faith Alone the Roman side thinks that for the Protestant thats all there is to being Saved. For us that is only one half of the equation, the other half is called “Sanctification” in which we are actually made righteous. In order to BE Sanctified one must be “Justified” first. God will not and cannot Sanctify someone who is not “Justified” IE DECLARED Righteous initially… Justification and Sanctification are distinct but not separate, they are two sides of the same Soteriological Coin.
 
You do understand, don’t you, that Purgatory is not a way to earn Heaven? Our entry into Heaven is given freely by the grace of God, thanks to the sacrifice of Jesus. Our sins were fully paid for by Jesus when He endured the Crucifixion and rose again from the dead. If we did in His grace, we will be granted entry into Heaven.

Yes of course I know that Purgatory is not a way to earn Heaven.

Now, those of us entering Heaven who are still imperfectly purified (e.g., subject to venial sin, concupiscence, etc.) will be cleansed before entering Heaven. That’s all that Purgatory is: we aren’t earning Heaven or paying some final price; we’re just being cleansed before we can go in.

It’ll probably hurt, either physically or emotionally; but that’s just a consequence of the removal of our tendency to sin. It’s just like a doctor fixing a broken bone is helping us, but it hurts; the pain isn’t some sort of price to pay (“I’d heal you, but you aren’t willing to feel pain, so I can’t do it”), it’s just a natural consequence of the healing process.

**Thats not what I was taught nor is it what I read about in pre-Vatican 2 teaching about Purgatory. I was taught by the CCD that Purgatory is where we are tortured and suffer and atone and expiate and make “Satisfaction” to God’s justice for our sins. That Purgatory was the same as Hell but eventually, once we have suffered enough and made enough “Satisfaction” and “Expiation” for our sins we would get out unlike Hell which is eternal and permanent. One CCD teacher said that one minute in Purgatory was more agonising and painful than the worst pains on earth of a hundred lifetimes. We were also taught that 95 % of Catholics will suffer in Purgatory for what may seem like a thousand lifetimes or worse. The new “revisionist view” (which is what you and the new Catholic Apologists are trying to sell is that Purgatory is sort like a place or state akin to a nice hot shower to clean up before we get to go to Heaven.
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And it’s very clear from Scripture and Tradition that your belief “That the ONLY thing needed was to have real Faith in order to be ‘Justified’, a Faith which includes trust in Jesus as my Saviour who died for me in my place bearing my sin and guilt and appeasing God’s wrath at me for my sin” is incorrect: faith without works is dead.

Performing good works isn’t a way to earn salvation; it’s the way you accept God’s grace. As Jesus said, those who feed the hungry, clothe the naked, visit the sick and imprisoned, etc. will enter Heaven, while those who do not will not. Not because every sandwich you give to the poor or whatever gets you a “point” toward salvation; but because doing His will is required to accept His grace.

I do good to and for others because He first loved me and gave His Life for me out of gratitude that I AM saved, NOT hopefully, might be, maybe. possibly be Saved. I trust Him that He who began a good work in me will bring it to completion that He is able to make me stand and that the Lord Jesus will lose none of those that are His whom the Father has given Him. I reach out with the hand of Faith ALONE by Grace He gives me to do so as a means of accepting His Grace and by that I am Justified. "Christ Jesus came into the World to save sinners."

Those who sit around saying “Jesus’ sacrifice saved me, so all I have to do is believe in Him and I will enter Heaven” will be told “Not all who say to me ‘Lord, Lord’ will enter Heaven, but only those who do the will of My Father in Heaven.”

If you look into the matter more deeply, I think you will find that most Protestants also believe in Purgatory; they just don’t call it that. We all agree that “Nothing impure can enter Heaven;” you can either (1) agree with the Catholic Church that this means that everyone who enters Heaven will either (A) be clean already (e.g., through baptism immediately before death) or (B) be cleansed just before entering; or (2) come up with the various convoluted explanations that a lot of Protestant preachers invent to avoid saying the same thing.
I will NEVER agree with Rome’s false pagan derived dogma of Purgatory and Indulgences to “earn” “merit” to stay out of some man fabricated concept. How God cleans me up just before entering Heaven has not been revealed to me and His Written Word is silent about the “how”, I will not “go beyond that which is written”, that is for God to do as He sees fit and I just trust Him by Faith that all things work out for those that love and trust in Jesus as Saviour.
 
kotek;:
No actually it was the fact that I saw Penal Substitution as what the Scriptures teach. From there I realised that there was NOTHING I could do to either earn or KEEP Salvation.
Really? I think one of the most obvious lessons from Scripture is that our behavior after being justified has eternal consequences. Its overwhelming actually. Christ teaches it(if you dont forgive God wont forgive you; remain/abide in me), Paul teaches it (the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom1Cor6:9 et al), Peter teaches it(lures of the world wage war against the soul) and James teaches it(faith without works will not save you).
That the ONLY thing needed was to have real Faith in order to be “Justified”, a Faith which includes trust in Jesus as my Saviour who died for me in my place bearing my sin and guilt and appeasing God’s wrath at me for my sin. That Faith includes trust, hope, and love for Jesus because He loved me enough to take my place and suffer God’s wrath for my sin on my behalf.
Biblically loving Jesus? “Whoever has my commands and observes them is the one who loves me.” Perhaps you missed Christ’s explicit commandment? Love one another. Its a call to action: dying to self in sacrifiecial love of others. He even demonstrated it by washing the apostles feet.
So I bristle and get upset when your Church tells me that after Jesus suffered and died for me that I still have to suffer torture and punishment in Purgatory to expiate for my sins, I see Purgatory as a colossal insult to the One who loved me and gave Himself for me.
I can see your studies were not particularly diligent - CCD class doesnt count as “preparing to be a Catholic apologist”! “Expiate for your sins”? I dont suppose you actually have a Catholic source for that claim, do you?
The primary purpose of the cleansing of Purgatory is to prepare us to be in the presence of God for all eternity - and guess what? Its also part of the grace merited by Christ on the Cross…its not something we “do” its something “done” to us.
Search hard for “expiate”
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The Church gives the name Purgatory to this final purification of the elect, which is entirely different from the punishment of the damned.606 The Church formulated her doctrine of faith on Purgatory especially at the Councils of Florence and Trent. The tradition of the Church, by reference to certain texts of Scripture, speaks of a cleansing fire:607
 
I will NEVER agree with Rome’s false pagan derived dogma of Purgatory and Indulgences to “earn” “merit” to stay out of some man fabricated concept. How God cleans me up just before entering Heaven has not been revealed to me and His Written Word is silent about the “how”, I will not “go beyond that which is written”, that is for God to do as He sees fit and I just trust Him by Faith that all things work out for those that love and trust in Jesus as Saviour.
Right on target! That quote you posted above is one of the thousands of proofs that the Holy Spirit had nothing to do with those decrees. It is as contrary to the gospel and God’s word as you can get. Amazing that an entire organization can’t even see that! Ever tried to reason with a Jehovah’s Witness?
 
Right on target! That quote you posted above is one of the thousands of proofs that the Holy Spirit had nothing to do with those decrees.
No, way off target. Perhaps you and Kotek should learn the definiton of a word before you go tossing them around willy nilly.

Main Entry: pa·gan
Pronunciation: \ˈpā-gən\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Late Latin paganus, from Latin, civilian, country dweller, from pagus country district; akin to Latin pangere to fix — more at pact
Date: 14th century
1: heathen 1 ; especially : a follower of a polytheistic religion (as in ancient Rome)
2: one who has little or no religion and who delights in sensual pleasures and material goods : an irreligious or hedonistic person

Hardly describes the Catholic Church. :rolleyes:
It is as contrary to the gospel and God’s word as you can get.
Strong statement on your part.
Are you infallible? You must be, to make such a claim and not back it up with proof. In other words, the onus is on you. Prove it.
Amazing that an entire organization can’t even see that! Ever tried to reason with a Jehovah’s Witness?
Or just maybe, it’s more amazing to you, in your pride, to think that YOU could be the one wrong. :eek:

Jehovah Witnesses also rely on scripture alone (leading to their erroneous interpretation) so, that would make them more in league with YOU.
What makes their interpretation wrong and your’s correct? :hey_bud:
 
Unfortunately in dialogues with Roman Catholics when Protestants say that one is Justified by Faith Alone the Roman side thinks that for the Protestant thats all there is to being Saved. For us that is only one half of the equation, the other half is called “Sanctification” in which we are actually made righteous. In order to BE Sanctified one must be “Justified” first. God will not and cannot Sanctify someone who is not “Justified” IE DECLARED Righteous initially… Justification and Sanctification are distinct but not separate, they are two sides of the same Soteriological Coin.
Which Protestant sect do you belong to? They’re all so different that what each believes is all over the place. 🤷
 
Jehovah Witnesses also rely on scripture alone (leading to their erroneous interpretation) so, that would make them more in league with YOU.
What makes their interpretation wrong and your’s correct? :hey_bud:
Jehovah’s Witnesses do not rely on scripture alone. They rely on the teaching and authority of the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society. They have produced their own translation of the Bible to accord with those teachings. I do not believe anyone except themselves consider it anything but a distorted translation.
 
Which Protestant sect do you belong to? They’re all so different that what each believes is all over the place. 🤷
I don’t belong to a “sect”. I belong to the Anglican Church in North America which is an emerging Province of the worldwide Anglican Communion. And no we don’t ordain Women or practicing Homosexuals.
 
Jehovah’s Witnesses do not rely on scripture alone. They rely on the teaching and authority of the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society. They have produced their own translation of the Bible to accord with those teachings. I do not believe anyone except themselves consider it anything but a distorted translation.
So true. In some ways the JWs are the same as the Roman Church. They say "oh yes we believe the Bible as the infallible Word of God but it can only be understood when it is read in the light of the Teachings (Traditions) of the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society and its President ( the Catholic Church’s Magisterium and Pope).
 
So true. In some ways the JWs are the same as the Roman Church. They say "oh yes we believe the Bible as the infallible Word of God but it can only be understood when it is read in the light of the Teachings (Traditions) of the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society and its President ( the Catholic Church’s Magisterium and Pope).
Hi Kotek,

Yes that’s correct, the scriptures must be read in light of the traditions and teachings of the church because Jesus promised that the gates of hades will not prevail against it. He promised the gift of infallibility to his church (when he said he will be with us always).

A hard pill to swallow for Protestants is the fact that the catholic church determined the canon of the bible, that same bible you use to read today! (although missing the 7 books that luther removed).
 
Godfollower;5229820:
You do understand, don’t you, that Purgatory is not a way to earn Heaven? Our entry into Heaven is given freely by the grace of God, thanks to the sacrifice of Jesus. Our sins were fully paid for by Jesus when He endured the Crucifixion and rose again from the dead. If we did in His grace, we will be granted entry into Heaven.
Yes of course I know that Purgatory is not a way to earn Heaven.
Then we at least agree on that much.
Godfollower;5229820:
Now, those of us entering Heaven who are still imperfectly purified (e.g., subject to venial sin, concupiscence, etc.) will be cleansed before entering Heaven. That’s all that Purgatory is: we aren’t earning Heaven or paying some final price; we’re just being cleansed before we can go in.

It’ll probably hurt, either physically or emotionally; but that’s just a consequence of the removal of our tendency to sin. It’s just like a doctor fixing a broken bone is helping us, but it hurts; the pain isn’t some sort of price to pay (“I’d heal you, but you aren’t willing to feel pain, so I can’t do it”), it’s just a natural consequence of the healing process.
**Thats not what I was taught nor is it what I read about in pre-Vatican 2 teaching about Purgatory. I was taught by the CCD that Purgatory is where we are tortured and suffer and atone and expiate and make “Satisfaction” to God’s justice for our sins. That Purgatory was the same as Hell but eventually, once we have suffered enough and made enough “Satisfaction” and “Expiation” for our sins we would get out unlike Hell which is eternal and permanent. One CCD teacher said that one minute in Purgatory was more agonising and painful than the worst pains on earth of a hundred lifetimes. We were also taught that 95 % of Catholics will suffer in Purgatory for what may seem like a thousand lifetimes or worse. The new “revisionist view” (which is what you and the new Catholic Apologists are trying to sell is that Purgatory is sort like a place or state akin to a nice hot shower to clean up before we get to go to Heaven. **
I can’t speak for what your CCD teacher said, but you have heard incorrectly. Purgatory is not like Hell; it is an anteroom to Heaven. Your claim that this teaching is “revisionist” is simply mistaken.

We aren’t saying Purgatory isn’t painful; what if it’s no more than watching your earthly life from beginning to end, while Jesus watches it with you and in the process removes from you all of your sinfulness? It’s hard to imagine anything more painful than that. But we aren’t “earning” anything by it; the only way we make it into Purgatory is through God’s amazing grace. Then, after we’ve been cleaned up, we’ll enter into Heaven.
Godfollower;5229820:
And it’s very clear from Scripture and Tradition that your belief “That the ONLY thing needed was to have real Faith in order to be ‘Justified’, a Faith which includes trust in Jesus as my Saviour who died for me in my place bearing my sin and guilt and appeasing God’s wrath at me for my sin” is incorrect: faith without works is dead.

Performing good works isn’t a way to earn salvation; it’s the way you accept God’s grace. As Jesus said, those who feed the hungry, clothe the naked, visit the sick and imprisoned, etc. will enter Heaven, while those who do not will not. Not because every sandwich you give to the poor or whatever gets you a “point” toward salvation; but because doing His will is required to accept His grace.
I do good to and for others because He first loved me and gave His Life for me out of gratitude that I AM saved, NOT hopefully, might be, maybe. possibly be Saved. I trust Him that He who began a good work in me will bring it to completion that He is able to make me stand and that the Lord Jesus will lose none of those that are His whom the Father has given Him. I reach out with the hand of Faith ALONE by Grace He gives me to do so as a means of accepting His Grace and by that I am Justified. “Christ Jesus came into the World to save sinners.”
Then you know more than Sts. Peter and Paul did, for both of them wrote that one who accepts Jesus as Lord can still lose salvation.
Godfollower;5229820:
Those who sit around saying “Jesus’ sacrifice saved me, so all I have to do is believe in Him and I will enter Heaven” will be told “Not all who say to me ‘Lord, Lord’ will enter Heaven, but only those who do the will of My Father in Heaven.”

If you look into the matter more deeply, I think you will find that most Protestants also believe in Purgatory; they just don’t call it that. We all agree that “Nothing impure can enter Heaven;” you can either (1) agree with the Catholic Church that this means that everyone who enters Heaven will either (A) be clean already (e.g., through baptism immediately before death) or (B) be cleansed just before entering; or (2) come up with the various convoluted explanations that a lot of Protestant preachers invent to avoid saying the same thing.
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I will NEVER agree with Rome’s false pagan derived dogma of Purgatory and Indulgences to “earn” “merit” to stay out of some man fabricated concept. How God cleans me up just before entering Heaven has not been revealed to me and His Written Word is silent about the “how”, I will not “go beyond that which is written”, that is for God to do as He sees fit and I just trust Him by Faith that all things work out for those that love and trust in Jesus as Saviour.**
Pagan derived? Even if you don’t accept the books of Maccabees as sacred Scripture, you should still admit that the concept of praying for the dead is a Jewish one, not a pagan one.

In any event, let’s be clear: The Church does not claim that we “earn” “merit” to get into Heaven. We only get in by God’s grace.
 
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Bl.Stanislaus and Bl.Mother , intercede for us all , esp. for the souls in purification - of their ignorant or prideful , untrusting ways !

The pain and prayers of recognising how much the distrust has affected themselves and others which then is experienced as fires of loving purification , may it come to aid all , to increase their trust in our Lord and His ways , revealed best in His Church !

May we all grow in trust in the Inifnite mercy of our Lord and His merits that He makes available , outside of the confines of time and this earthly existence , esp. to those in need of His mercy .

Yeshua Lord , help us all to trust in Thee more !
 
So true. In some ways the JWs are the same as the Roman Church. They say "oh yes we believe the Bible as the infallible Word of God but it can only be understood when it is read in the light of the Teachings (Traditions) of the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society and its President ( the Catholic Church’s Magisterium and Pope).
And what is it that YOU say? “Oh yes we believe the Bible as the infallible Word of God but it can only be understood when it is read in the light of ____________________________”

Fill in the blank for us please.

And be careful. If your answer is “the Holy Spirit”, then I’d have to remind you (or teach you) that this, in essence, is the Catholic answer, for the Spirit of God was sent to the twelve, who were the forefathers of The Church. All of us, inside and outside The Church, are touched by Him (the Spirit), but He comes to all through the conduit of The Church, and He is not a private tutor for interpreting Scripture outside of the instrument for which He was sent.
 
Here’s the truly important point: brkn1 claimed that “Christ as our sin-bearer is not the RCC gospel” and now that it has become apparent that this allegation is patently false, brkn1 has moved to a very nuanced discussion of another topic: the exact form that sin bearing took. Was it a precise substitution or was it atonement? Ultimately it matters not a bit in the context of the original slander made - but brkn1 apparently does not have the decency to admit that.
And just for the record, what is the point of adding “vicarious” to the concept of substitute sin-bearer?
The exact form that the sin bearing takes is what makes it a true sin-bearing.
Your Catechism tries to get around what Jesus as a true Sin-Bearer has to do, according to the Gospel.
Jesus is clearly stated as having taken the sin of the world “in His own body on the tree” (1Peter2:24). There has to be a reasonable explanation why He did so, but your Catechism avoids it. It seems more interested in redefining what sin-bearing is.

The “603 Jesus did not experience reprobation as if He Himself had sinned.” claim of your Catechism, proves to me that your church does not believe in the true meaning of Jesus being a Sin-Bearer according to the Scripture.
 
The exact form that the sin bearing takes is what makes it a true sin-bearing.
Your Catechism tries to get around what Jesus as a true Sin-Bearer has to do, according to the Gospel.
Jesus is clearly stated as having taken the sin of the world “in His own body on the tree” (1Peter2:24). There has to be a reasonable explanation why He did so, but your Catechism avoids it. It seems more interested in redefining what sin-bearing is.

The “603 Jesus did not experience reprobation as if He Himself had sinned.” claim of your Catechism, proves to me that your church does not believe in the true meaning of Jesus being a Sin-Bearer according to the Scripture.
No, you need to read it in context. Paragraph 603 is merely saying that, although Jesus accepted condemnation, it was not because He Himself had sinned; it is not saying that He did not accept condemnation. Read the rest of the Catechism:
612 The cup of the New Covenant, which Jesus anticipated when he offered himself at the Last Supper, is afterwards accepted by him from his Father’s hands in his agony in the garden at Gethsemani, making himself “obedient unto death”. Jesus prays: “My Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me. . .” Thus he expresses the horror that death represented for his human nature. Like ours, his human nature is destined for eternal life; but unlike ours, it is perfectly exempt from sin, the cause of death. Above all, his human nature has been assumed by the divine person of the “Author of life”, the “Living One”. By accepting in his human will that the Father’s will be done, he accepts his death as redemptive, for "he himself bore our sins in his body on the tree."
615 “For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so by one man’s obedience many will be made righteous.” By his obedience unto death, Jesus accomplished the substitution of the suffering Servant, who “makes himself an offering for sin”, when “he bore the sin of many”, and who “shall make many to be accounted righteous”, for “he shall bear their iniquities”. Jesus atoned for our faults and made satisfaction for our sins to the Father.
It is absolutely clear that the Church teaches – and has always taught – that Jesus bore our sins in His Body.
 
How can God be separated from/abandoned by Himself?

Again, how can God be separated from/abandoned by Himself?

For one who is not Divine, this is so. But Christ was God. His very nature does not allow for separation from Himself.
There are many problems that come out of your assumptions about the Trinity.
If the Persons of the One God can not be separated in any way, then I could ask you why Jesus said that He must go to the Father at the end of His ministry.
Jesus assuming a human form must have made this sort of separation possible.
You could say that both the Father and the Holy Spirit were nailed to the cross also, if you carry your claim of dis-allowed separation to its ultimate conclusion.
 
No, you need to read it in context. Paragraph 603 is merely saying that, although Jesus accepted condemnation, it was not because He Himself had sinned; it is not saying that He did not accept condemnation. Read the rest of the Catechism:

It is absolutely clear that the Church teaches – and has always taught – that Jesus bore our sins in His Body.
The problem now becomes that the “offering of Jesus Himself to His Father” with our sins in His Body requires the Father to punish the Bearer of those sins. Your catechism does not explain that part of the process.
How could the Father accept Jesus as an “offering”, if He was bearing our sins?
 
No actually it was the fact that I saw Penal Substitution as what the Scriptures teach.
You already told me that. I appreciate the fact that you see it this way. My response was simply an observation that - perhaps - your perception is based in part upon your belief in imputed righteousness… a belief that the remainder of your post reconfirms.
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kotek:
From there I realised that there was NOTHING I could do to either earn or KEEP Salvation. That the ONLY thing needed was to have real Faith in order to be “Justified”,…
Amen. My follow up to you is to ask what you think “real faith” is. Is it a once-in-time acceptance of Jesus Christ as “personal Lord and Savior” (an action nowhere taught in scripture) or is “real Faith” the living of a life in response to the grace freely given by Christ that includes hope and charity? If you think that’s what “real Faith” is, then I agree. As for “keeping” salvation, I agree with you on a certain level, but I also see that it is clear from scripture that those who profess the Lord with their lips alone, but do to respond in love are not assured of salvation. But, this is a topic for another thread. I don’t want to hijack this one.
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kotek:
a Faith which includes trust in Jesus as my Saviour who died for me in my place bearing my sin and guilt and appeasing God’s wrath at me for my sin. That Faith includes trust, hope, and love for Jesus because He loved me enough to take my place and suffer God’s wrath for my sin on my behalf.
Christ bore your sins and willingly died for you. He did not suffer God’s wrath in your place. He offered Himself as an atoning sacrifice. The conception of the Passion of Christ as Christ’s vicarious punishment for our sins by God makes me bristle because - at best - it implies an unjust God.
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kotek:
So I bristle and get upset when your Church tells me that after Jesus suffered and died for me that I still have to suffer torture and punishment in Purgatory to expiate for my sins, I see Purgatory as a colossal insult to the One who loved me and gave Himself for me.
Purgatory is NOT about you earning your way to heaven. You are simply flat out wrong if that’s what you think the Church teaches about purgatory. The process of removing all attachment to sin is for those who - through Christ’s merits - are ALREADY headed for heaven. Purgatory is simply the last stage of what a protestant might call “sanctification.” It is the removal of any remaining attachment to sin. Again, this is another topic for another thread.

Peace,
-Robert
 
And just for the record, what is the point of adding “vicarious” to the concept of substitute sin-bearer?
Because in one sense it can rightly be said that Christ’s sacrifice was the substitute for our punishment. But that’s not the same thing as saying that Christ was vicariously punished by God in our place. He offered all of Himself (body, blood, soul and divinity) as a sacrifice to atone for us - an infinite offering of love and mercy for finite humanity and its broken nature.

The Father never turned His back on the Son, and a doctrine that states such a thing raises some rather ugly implications, which I’ve already touched upon.

Peace,
-Robert
 
The problem now becomes that the “offering of Jesus Himself to His Father” with our sins in His Body requires the Father to punish the Bearer of those sins. Your catechism does not explain that part of the process.
How could the Father accept Jesus as an “offering”, if He was bearing our sins?
Does it matter? Scripture teaches us that Jesus was in fact an offering to the Father:
For if the blood of goats and of oxen, and the ashes of an heifer being sprinkled, sanctify such as are defiled, to the cleansing of the flesh: How much more shall the blood of Christ, who by the Holy Ghost offered himself unspotted unto God, cleanse our conscience from dead works, to serve the living God?
Hebrews 9:13-14.
For it was fitting that we should have such a high priest, holy, innocent, undefiled, separated from sinners, and made higher than the heavens; Who needeth not daily (as the other priests) to offer sacrifices first for his own sins, and then for the people’s: for this he did once, in offering himself.
Hebrews 7:26-27.
But this man offering one sacrifice for sins, for ever sitteth on the right hand of God,
Hebrews 10:12.
 
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