Christ Cathedral, Inside & Out

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It depends on whether they still retained ownership of the property. I believe all the property was turned over to the diocese after the bankruptcy. And you’re right, there is and will continue to be controversy (and a lot of hard feelings) over that. Probably as much as when the Church closes parishes and sells property to other entities.
That must have been so devastating for the Schuller family to see their church go into bankruptcy. Amazing he had the tv show for 40 years.

I look forward too seeing the church when it is finished.
I would love to be at the dedication.
 
That must have been so devastating for the Schuller family to see their church go into bankruptcy. Amazing he had the tv show for 40 years.
An interesting article here. It looks like a lot of family feuding going on.

christianpost.com/news/crystal-cathedral-ministries-holds-moving-sale-94474/
In 2010, CCM had to file for bankruptcy as it faced lawsuits for the debts it owed vendors from the 2009 “Glory of Christmas” production.
In a recent statement, the Rev. Schuller’s son Robert A. Schuller stated that “The Crystal Cathedral Ministries, the assets and the buildings, would still be in the hands of the ministries if my father would have simply walked away.”
“When I accepted the role as the next senior pastor he had agreed to be an ambassador-at-large and raise funds for the endowment fund. He didn’t do that. He became a sounding board for my sisters and other people that didn’t particularly care for the new direction for whatever reason,” said R.A. Schuller.
 
Sounds like the kids weren’t able to handle the financial side of running the huge church. Especiallly the daughter put in charge of the 2009 christmas program. How could a christmas program throw a huge megachurch into debt?!

Interesting link. Who was supposed to pay $25, 000 in rental payments? What did they rename their church do you know?
 
Sounds like the kids weren’t able to handle the financial side of running the huge church. Especiallly the daughter put in charge of the 2009 christmas program. How could a christmas program throw a huge megachurch into debt?!

Interesting link. Who was supposed to pay $25, 000 in rental payments? What did they rename their church do you know?
Good questions. From what I know about bankruptcies, you have to know how to deal with your creditors. I think something like 13 dioceses have been forced into similar bankruptcies. There are probably some who are also heavy in debt but their creditors have so far have given them some slack. I recently checked the Archdiocese of Chicago and found they have some $115 million borrowed from the City of Chicago et al. They also have enough in assets to pay those off if they had to but they wouldn’t have much on a cash flow basis if it comes to that. In the Crystal Cathedral’s case the proceeds from the sale of the church covered their creditors but left them without much assets or cash flow. There are obviously a lot of people, like the owners of those stones, who got hurt in the process as well.
 
They spent a lot on those stones! That would be a sore spot. They figured the church would be there indefinitely. That is nice thst the church has made them available for pick up or will ship them if the person covers the cost and they made the website.
Buying bricks or stones is a popular way for a church to raise money. I know our church did it. I had thought buying one, but after hearing about this I am glad I didn’t.

Are people buried in the gardens are just their ashes? I wonder what will happen with them?

Thanks for the links. Imagine starting your church out in a drive in. He really had a vision! I guess his vision will continue to live on as a Catholic church.
According to the Diocese of Orange, the area that surrounds the cathedral will be undergoing a renovation in which a plaza will be created. Right now, the stones are in the way of the planned construction. The stones and statues have been and will be temporarily removed and then placed into their own ‘Crystal Cathedral Ministries Legacy Garden.’
Video: vimeo.com/106627374

As for the people buried there, the Orange Diocese says those people buried in the Memorial Gardens will stay there and it remain as an “ecumenical resting place for people of the community.” The space is currently an acre and a half. I think they’re planning on adding more plots for people who wish to be buried there, both Catholics and non-Catholics.
Video: vimeo.com/106627419
Sounds like the kids weren’t able to handle the financial side of running the huge church. Especially the daughter put in charge of the 2009 christmas program. How could a christmas program throw a huge megachurch into debt?!

Interesting link. Who was supposed to pay $25, 000 in rental payments? What did they rename their church do you know?
I think what put them into dept was more practical reasons, like the heating and air conditioning. It get very hot in there with the glass and cold at night without the heat. I’d imagine their electric bill was a hefty amount per month.
 
I think what put them into dept was more practical reasons, like the heating and air conditioning. It get very hot in there with the glass and cold at night without the heat. I’d imagine their electric bill was a hefty amount per month.
Then whoever plans to use that building will be facing the same (if not higher) expenses. If they need to borrow money for any reason, that will most definitely be a factor in getting the money.

Just sayin…
 
According to the Diocese of Orange, the area that surrounds the cathedral will be undergoing a renovation in which a plaza will be created. Right now, the stones are in the way of the planned construction. The stones and statues have been and will be temporarily removed and then placed into their own ‘Crystal Cathedral Ministries Legacy Garden.’
Video: vimeo.com/106627374

As for the people buried there, the Orange Diocese says those people buried in the Memorial Gardens will stay there and it remain as an “ecumenical resting place for people of the community.” The space is currently an acre and a half. I think they’re planning on adding more plots for people who wish to be buried there, both Catholics and non-Catholics.
Video: vimeo.com/106627419

I think what put them into dept was more practical reasons, like the heating and air conditioning. It get very hot in there with the glass and cold at night without the heat. I’d imagine their electric bill was a hefty amount per month.
Thank you Jane for the info. It does sound like the Catholic church is doing as much as possible to help heal any wounds or misgivings the previous congregation might have. The legacy garden is a nice idea and having a burial spot for Catholics and non-catholics is nice.
I think what happened with the economy probably had a lot to do with it. People were not able to tithe as much. Property values went down. Loans could not be secured. I am sure they looked at a history of utility billls to get an idea of monthly expenses. I hope they did anyway.
 
Then whoever plans to use that building will be facing the same (if not higher) expenses. If they need to borrow money for any reason, that will most definitely be a factor in getting the money.

Just sayin…
The Diocese of Orange has already taken that into consideration. That’s why in the remodeling of the interior of the cathedral, they’re adding Quatrefoils.
Video: vimeo.com/106616143
 
The Diocese of Orange has already taken that into consideration. That’s why in the remodeling of the interior of the cathedral, they’re adding Quatrefoils.
Video: vimeo.com/106616143
Interesting! Those will definitely help. Are those the “petals” referred to in the article? Thanks for the video. This will be a beautiful church and campus when it is complete.
 
The Diocese of Orange has already taken that into consideration. That’s why in the remodeling of the interior of the cathedral, they’re adding Quatrefoils.
Video: vimeo.com/106616143
I agree; it’s an interesting idea. I know some of those ideas were thrown around ever since they were building indoor baseball stadiums but ballplayers couldn’t see the ball. Makes me wonder, though, why the Schuller ministries had not thought of using solar power or the like. It sounds like the area has plenty of sun.
 
I know government and church are separate … But Denver Colorado is reporting spending $905 Million in THIS election alone. thedenverchannel.com/news/politics/colorado-candidates-spend-heavily-on-advertising-and-consulting-according-to-state-data

Now compair the purchase … The Church has obtained a holy place and restored it; enhancing jobs, and community gatherings. Meanwhile, $905 (almost nine times more) has been feed into the media (liberal biased) to obtain power to feed the people, mange peoples mandatory resources (taxes), schools, and roads. IMO $905 M would feed more people … But the $113 M will feed the peoples souls more than a campaign freenzie.
 
What a modernist and ugly waste of money. And where do they plan to hide the tabernacle? Oy!
 
Ach. Looks like an Illuminati ritual site instead of a Catholic Church.
 
Oy… where do they plan to hide the tabernacle in this one I wonder?
 
Oy… where do they plan to hide the tabernacle in this one I wonder?
If you go back to the beginning of this thread, there is a map of the interior.

The tabernacle, cathedra, altar, and ambo are all in a line.
 
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