Christ Did NOT make Peter the head of the church

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KendraDZ1902 said:
One God in 3 persons would totally make Father, Son, and Holy Spirit Commander in Chief. But whatevs.🤷
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Then you reject Randy’s premise that Jesus is the commander in cheif and Old Pete is the supreme commander?

Jesus clearly makes the decision to obey the will of the father in his human will.
 
House_Harkonnen said:
Then you reject Randy’s premise that Jesus is the commander in cheif and Old Pete is the supreme commander?

Jesus clearly makes the decision to obey the will of the father in his human will.
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I think it was Jon who said something like Jesus being CiC and Peter being field commander. I liked that.
 
Kendra, while it is true that people can refuse to listen to sound evidence and bask in their own ignorance, I think that more commonly, people are just set in their beliefs and no quantity of quotes hurled at them over an internet forum is going to change their mind.

I spent a good few months studying the Roman Catholic Church’s claims to the papacy and by the end of my research I could not see a strong case for it. I instead saw the Orthodox Church as Christ’s Church, and so I became Orthodox. Keep in mind I was not Christian beforehand, so I didn’t have the same baggage that a Protestant would have.

But I can understand how someone would be persuaded by the evidence that is out there and honestly make the decision to join the RCC instead.

Right now, none of these quotes really change my views as I have accepted the teachings of the Orthodox Church on the matter after a period of discernment. I imagine House Harkonen might say something similar about his own faith tradition.
 
House’s arguments are the equivalent of “I know you are but what am I”. Just because you say it house doesn’t make it so.

No matter how you slice it…Lutheranism is not apostolic, is contrary to the faith of the apostolic church, contrary to orthodoxy, and you won’t convince us otherwise.

You can ignore history but don’t expect us to do the same.
 
KendraDZ1902 said:
I think it was Jon who said something like Jesus being CiC and Peter being field commander. I liked that.
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I think God the Father is like the CIC and Jesus is the field commander. After all the Father is the supreme authority. Everything comes from the father.
 
House_Harkonnen said:
Sounds all pretty but that’s not consistent with scripture
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I took that directly from scripture. Need the verses to follow along?
nor the history of the church.
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The Orthodox bailed in the 13th century, your spiritual forefathers clung to this ridiculous Catholic misinterpretation for another 300 years.

Why? 🤷
 
I rarely - if ever - read through an entire thread of this length, but this has been very educational.

Looks to me like some came here to convert us ignorant and stubborn Catholics, so don’t get frustrated that you can’t change them. Speak the truth in charity. And pray for God’s Spirit to be at work in all of our hearts in these conversations.

Thanks to everyone who’s been participating. And God bless you!

Gertie
 
howirenic said:
Kendra, while it is true that people can refuse to listen to sound evidence and bask in their own ignorance, I think that more commonly, people are just set in their beliefs and no quantity of quotes hurled at them over an internet forum is going to change their mind.

I spent a good few months studying the Roman Catholic Church’s claims to the papacy and by the end of my research I could not see a strong case for it. I instead saw the Orthodox Church as Christ’s Church, and so I became Orthodox. Keep in mind I was not Christian beforehand, so I didn’t have the same baggage that a Protestant would have.

But I can understand how someone would be persuaded by the evidence that is out there and honestly make the decision to join the RCC instead.

Right now, none of these quotes really change my views as I have accepted the teachings of the Orthodox Church on the matter after a period of discernment. I imagine House Harkonen might say something similar about his own faith tradition.
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Well said. People believe, accept and have faith. Be it in the Catholic, Orthodox, or Protestant traditions.
 
KendraDZ1902 said:
I think it was Jon who said something like Jesus being CiC and Peter being field commander. I liked that.
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The President of the United States is also referred to as the Commander in Chief of our military forces. The generals serve at his command.

In World War II, President Roosevelt (along with Winston Churchill, I suppose) named General Eisenhower as Supreme Commander of Allied Forces operating in the European theatre.

President
Supreme Commander
Other Generals (Patton, Bradley, Montgomery, etc.)

Jesus
Peter
Other Apostles

House is just trying to find a way out of a dilemma by bring the Father into the picture (forgetting for the moment the Holy Spirit).

Look, it’s just an analogy, but the key is that scripture specifically shows Jesus re-introducing the office of the Royal Steward into His kingdom. And by the way, in ancient Israel, the Queen was not a wife of the king (they had lots of wives!), but the mother of the king. So, Mary is the Queen of Heaven.

Make sense?
 
Randy_Carson said:
The President of the United States is also referred to as the Commander in Chief of our military forces. The generals serve at his command.

In World War II, President Roosevelt (along with Winston Churchill, I suppose) named General Eisenhower as Supreme Commander of Allied Forces operating in the European theatre.

President
Supreme Commander
Other Generals (Patton, Bradley, Montgomery, etc.)

Jesus
Peter
Other Apostles

House is just trying to find a way out of a dilemma by bring the Father into the picture (forgetting for the moment the Holy Spirit).

Look, it’s just an analogy, but the key is that scripture specifically shows Jesus re-introducing the office of the Royal Steward into His kingdom. And by the way, in ancient Israel, the Queen was not a wife of the king (they had lots of wives!), but the mother of the king. So, Mary is the Queen of Heaven.

Make sense?
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OK. I didn’t get the reference to Supreme Commander.

What I did understand is that it seems like House is trying to separate The Father and The Son. That’s why I was lumping the whole Holy Trinity as president/commander in chief.
 
House_Harkonnen said:
Because he was the princeps of the apostles whose ministry was passed down to all the bishops of the church.
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You are stating that he was the head of the Church. Well I don’t argue with that he was indeed head of Jesus’ Church.
 
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