Christ is Just as Present in People as in Communion?

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Is Christ just as present in people, especially those in the state of grace who have just received Communion, as He is in the consecrated Host?

It would seem not because Christ is present in Communion in His body, blood, soul, and divinity under the appearances of bread and wine whereas Christ is present to all existing creatures in the way a creator is present to his creation.

It would seem so because those who are in communion are part of the Mystical Body of Christ. Just as a soul is present in every part of one’s body, so, too, is Christ really present body, blood, soul, and divinity in all His body’s members.

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Christ is present as well but its a different kind of presence. There are different kinds of presence of Christ, off the top of my head:
  1. Eucharist
  2. whenever two or three are gathered
  3. in the least of our brethren
I forgot there’s another one or two.
 
ConstantineTG said:
Christ is present as well but its a different kind of presence. There are different kinds of presence of Christ, off the top of my head:
  1. Eucharist
  2. whenever two or three are gathered
  3. in the least of our brethren
I forgot there’s another one or two.
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Brilliant.
  1. With us till the end of times.
  2. In defenseless children
    6.In each one of the 7 Beatitudes: whatever you did to these you did to me.
I forgot others… Cheers…👍
 
Geremia said:
Is Christ just as present in people, especially those in the state of grace who have just received Communion, as He is in the consecrated Host?

It would seem not because Christ is present in Communion in His body, blood, soul, and divinity under the appearances of bread and wine whereas Christ is present to all existing creatures in the way a creator is present to his creation.

It would seem so because those who are in communion are part of the Mystical Body of Christ. Just as a soul is present in every part of one’s body, so, too, is Christ really present body, blood, soul, and divinity in all His body’s members.

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I’m not certain, but I believe the Catholic view is that one becomes a part of Christ after participating in the Eucharist, rather than Christ’s becoming a part of oneself.
 
Right, I forgot “in all of creation”. Stupid me, of course God is omnipresent.
 
meltzerboy said:
I’m not certain, but I believe the Catholic view is that one becomes a part of Christ after participating in the Eucharist, rather than Christ’s becoming a part of oneself.
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This is correct and is the point of Communion.
 
There are different modes of presence…

So no he is not …(if “as” means here same…)

…not in the same way.
 
If Christ is present in people who receive Holy Communion in the same way that He is present in the Eucharist Itself, then we could adore Christ in one another right after Communion… and I’m pretty sure we don’t (and won’t) do that.
 
supertubos said:
Brilliant.
  1. With us till the end of times.
  2. In defenseless children
    6.In each one of the 7 Beatitudes: whatever you did to these you did to me.
I forgot others… Cheers…👍
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I’m just going to go out on a limb here and say the priest as well.
 
The presence of Christ in the Eucharist is unique; it is unlike any other presence of Christ. This teaching is one of the key accomplishments of the Council of Trent. A few reasons why this presence is unique:
  • it is the only corporeal presence of Christ. He is truly, physically, substantially present in the Eucharist in a way He is not in any other mode or definition.
  • it is the only presence of Christ where physical matter is transformed into Christ
  • this is the presence of Christ that represents the transformation of our lives in Christ. As another poster paraphrased, when we consume the Eucharist, we become Christ.
  • this is the presence of Christ by which the Church sacramentalizes the world
Christ is present among us when three are gathered in his name, and in all the other “presences” you listed. But just because He is present, does not mean that the presence is the same. God can do that. Isn’t that cool?
 
japhy said:
If Christ is present in people who receive Holy Communion in the same way that He is present in the Eucharist Itself, then we could adore Christ in one another right after Communion… and I’m pretty sure we don’t (and won’t) do that.
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I have at times called to mind Jesus Presence in the people comeing back from Communion and I believe that we could truly adore Jesus present in those people who just received seconds ago because the Real Presence has not yet digested. Our Blessed Mother was a living tabernacle for nine months and we are a living tabernacle of the Holy Eucharist immediately after receiving Communion and for a few minutes thereafter.
 
Geremia said:
Is Christ just as present in people, especially those in the state of grace who have just received Communion, as He is in the consecrated Host?

It would seem not because Christ is present in Communion in His body, blood, soul, and divinity under the appearances of bread and wine whereas Christ is present to all existing creatures in the way a creator is present to his creation.

It would seem so because those who are in communion are part of the Mystical Body of Christ. Just as a soul is present in every part of one’s body, so, too, is Christ really present body, blood, soul, and divinity in all His body’s members.

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The Catechism explains:
1373 “Christ Jesus, who died, yes, who was raised from the dead, who is at the right hand of God, who indeed intercedes for us,” is present in many ways to his Church:195 in his word, in his Church’s prayer, "where two or three are gathered in my name,"196 in the poor, the sick, and the imprisoned,197 in the sacraments of which he is the author, in the sacrifice of the Mass, and in the person of the minister. But "he is present . . . most especially in the Eucharistic species."198
The footnotes cite Lumen Gentium 48 and Sacrosanctum Concilium 7, for further info.
 
I was taught that Christ is present in the Eucharist in at least four different ways:
  1. In the assembly gathered to worship
  2. In the priest who leads the assembly in worship
  3. In the Word (When the word of God is proclaimed through Scripture and preaching, Christ speaks today!)
  4. In the bread and wine shared in the Eucharistic meal
Learning to reverence the presence of Christ in the community is a challenge to those of us who were taught that being reverential means being silent. In our parish, we try to foster community when we gather to worship. We try to remember that Mass is not the time for private worship. In fact, the GIRM names as the purpose of the Entrance Rites is "that the faithful coming together take on the form of a community and prepare themselves to listen to God’s word and celebrate the Eucharist properly.

Blessings!
 
Revelation 3:20
Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with him, and he with me.
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Christ’s presence in the Eucharist is different, but Christ is also with us as well.
 
ArchStreetBand said:
I was taught that Christ is present in the Eucharist in at least four different ways:
  1. In the assembly gathered to worship
  2. In the priest who leads the assembly in worship
  3. In the Word (When the word of God is proclaimed through Scripture and preaching, Christ speaks today!)
  4. In the -]bread and wine/-] Body and Blood shared in the Eucharistic meal
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Only number 4 (with the emendation marked) is a way in which Christ is “present in the Eucharist,” or, as the Catechism puts it, “present . . . in the Eucharistic species.” The Word, for instance, is simply not the “Eucharist” at all.
 
MarkThompson said:
Only number 4 (with the emendation marked) is a way in which Christ is “present in the Eucharist,” or, as the Catechism puts it, “present . . . in the Eucharistic species.” The Word, for instance, is simply not the “Eucharist” at all.
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Groan. 🙂

Clearly, I meant the four ways Christ is present during our celebration of Mass.

Thanks, though.
 
ArchStreetBand said:
Groan. 🙂

Clearly, I meant the four ways Christ is present during our celebration of Mass.

Thanks, though.
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Sorry, I wasn’t trying to be a nitpicker; I actually thought it was possible that you’d been taught that Christ was “present in the Eucharist” in things like the gathered assembly and the Word.

For people who prefer to de-emphasize the Eucharist and inflate the importance of readings and the community, I’m sure it’s grating that there’s this statement in the Catechism (and plenty of others elsewhere) to the effect that the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist is different, more significant, and more actual than his presence in other forms. One possible riposte – which I have not seen but can easily imagine – would be to say, “Oh, that’s fine. And of course the assembly and the Word are eucharist too. Yes, you’re so right, eucharist is indeed of supreme importance.” I thought that’s what you were saying you had been taught.
 
meltzerboy said:
I’m not certain, but I believe the Catholic view is that one becomes a part of Christ after participating in the Eucharist, rather than Christ’s becoming a part of oneself.
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Indeed. God does not “become;” He is immutable.
 
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