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Sorry, but off-topic. I had already gone with you in that direction in my other post in response to yours.
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Matt. 28:1; Mark 16:2,9; John 20:1,19- the Gospel writers purposely reveal Jesus’ resurrection and appearances were on Sunday. This is because Sunday had now become the most important day in the life of the Church.
Acts 20:7 - this text shows the apostolic tradition of gathering together to celebrate the Eucharist on Sunday, the “first day of the week.” Luke documents the principle worship was on Sunday because this was one of the departures from the Jewish form of worship.
1 Cor. 16:2 - Paul instructs the Corinthians to make contributions to the churches “on the first day of the week,” which is Sunday. This is because the primary day of Christian worship is Sunday.
Col. 2:16-17 - Paul teaches that the Sabbath was only a shadow of what was fulfilled in Christ, and says “let no one pass judgment any more over a Sabbath.”
2 Thess. 2:15 - we are to hold fast to apostolic tradition, whether it is oral or written. The 2,000 year-old tradition of the Church is that the apostles changed the Sabbath day of worship from Saturday to Sunday.
Heb. 4:8-9 - regarding the day of rest, if Joshua had given rest, God would not later speak of “another day,” which is Sunday, the new Sabbath. Sunday is the first day of the week and the first day of the new creation brought about by our Lord’s resurrection, which was on Sunday.
Heb. 7:12 - when there is a change in the priesthood, there is a change in the law as well. Because we have a new Priest and a new sacrifice, we also have a new day of worship, which is Sunday.
Rev 1:10 - John specifically points out that he witnesses the heavenly Eucharistic liturgy on Sunday, the Lord’s day, the new day of rest in Christ.
Matt. 16:19; 18:18 - whatever the Church binds on earth is bound in heaven. Since the resurrection, Mass has been principally celebrated on Sunday.
On the Lord’s own day, assemble in common to break bread and offer thanks, but first confess your sins so that your sacrifice may be pure." Didache, 14 (A.D. 90).
“If, therefore, those who were brought up in the ancient order of things have come to the possession of a new hope, no longer observing the Sabbath, but living in the observance of the Lord’s Day, on which also our life has sprung up again by Him and by His death–whom some deny, by which mystery we have obtained faith, and therefore endure, that we may be found the disciples of Jesus Christ, our only Master.” Ignatius, To the Magnesians, 9:1 (A.D. 110).
“The seventh day, therefore, is proclaimed a rest–abstraction from ills–preparing for the Primal Day,[The Lord’s Day] our true rest; which, in truth, is the first creation of light, in which all things are viewed and possessed. From this day the first wisdom and knowledge illuminate us. For the light of truth–a light true, casting no shadow, is the Spirit of God indivisibly divided to all, who are sanctified by faith, holding the place of a luminary, in order to the knowledge of real existences. By following Him, therefore, through our whole life, we become impossible; and this is to rest.” Clement of Alexandria, Stromata, 6:16 (A.D. 202).
“In fine, let him who contends that the Sabbath is still to be observed as a balm of salvation, and circumcision on the eighth day because of the threat of death, teach us that, for the time past, righteous men kept the Sabbath, or practiced circumcision, and were thus rendered “friends of God.” For if circumcision purges a man since God made Adam uncircumcised, why did He not circumcise him, even after his sinning, if circumcision purges? At all events, in settling him in paradise, He appointed one uncircumcised as colonist of paradise. Therefore, since God originated Adam uncircumcised, and inobservant of the Sabbath, consequently his offspring also, Abel, offering Him sacrifices, uncircumcised and inobservant of the Sabbath, was by Him commended; while He accepted what he was offering in simplicity of heart, and reprobated the sacrifice of his brother Cain, who was not rightly dividing what he was offering. Noah also, uncircumcised–yes, and inobservant of the Sabbath–God freed from the deluge. For Enoch, too, most righteous man, uncircumcised and in-observant of the Sabbath, He translated from this world; who did not first taste death, in order that, being a candidate for eternal life, he might by this time show us that we also may, without the burden of the law of Moses, please God.” Tertullian, An answer to the Jews, 2 (A.D. 203).
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Isaiah 1:13 - God begins to reveal His displeasure with the Sabbath.
Matt. 28:1; Mark 16:2,9; John 20:1,19- the Gospel writers purposely reveal Jesus’ resurrection and appearances were on Sunday. This is because Sunday had now become the most important day in the life of the Church.
Acts 20:7 - this text shows the apostolic tradition of gathering together to celebrate the Eucharist on Sunday, the “first day of the week.” Luke documents the principle worship was on Sunday because this was one of the departures from the Jewish form of worship.
1 Cor. 16:2 - Paul instructs the Corinthians to make contributions to the churches “on the first day of the week,” which is Sunday. This is because the primary day of Christian worship is Sunday.
Col. 2:16-17 - Paul teaches that the Sabbath was only a shadow of what was fulfilled in Christ, and says “let no one pass judgment any more over a Sabbath.”
2 Thess. 2:15 - we are to hold fast to apostolic tradition, whether it is oral or written. The 2,000 year-old tradition of the Church is that the apostles changed the Sabbath day of worship from Saturday to Sunday.
Heb. 4:8-9 - regarding the day of rest, if Joshua had given rest, God would not later speak of “another day,” which is Sunday, the new Sabbath. Sunday is the first day of the week and the first day of the new creation brought about by our Lord’s resurrection, which was on Sunday.
Heb. 7:12 - when there is a change in the priesthood, there is a change in the law as well. Because we have a new Priest and a new sacrifice, we also have a new day of worship, which is Sunday.
Rev 1:10 - John specifically points out that he witnesses the heavenly Eucharistic liturgy on Sunday, the Lord’s day, the new day of rest in Christ.
Matt. 16:19; 18:18 - whatever the Church binds on earth is bound in heaven. Since the resurrection, Mass has been principally celebrated on Sunday.
On the Lord’s own day, assemble in common to break bread and offer thanks, but first confess your sins so that your sacrifice may be pure." Didache, 14 (A.D. 90).
“If, therefore, those who were brought up in the ancient order of things have come to the possession of a new hope, no longer observing the Sabbath, but living in the observance of the Lord’s Day, on which also our life has sprung up again by Him and by His death–whom some deny, by which mystery we have obtained faith, and therefore endure, that we may be found the disciples of Jesus Christ, our only Master.” Ignatius, To the Magnesians, 9:1 (A.D. 110).
“The seventh day, therefore, is proclaimed a rest–abstraction from ills–preparing for the Primal Day,[The Lord’s Day] our true rest; which, in truth, is the first creation of light, in which all things are viewed and possessed. From this day the first wisdom and knowledge illuminate us. For the light of truth–a light true, casting no shadow, is the Spirit of God indivisibly divided to all, who are sanctified by faith, holding the place of a luminary, in order to the knowledge of real existences. By following Him, therefore, through our whole life, we become impossible; and this is to rest.” Clement of Alexandria, Stromata, 6:16 (A.D. 202).
“In fine, let him who contends that the Sabbath is still to be observed as a balm of salvation, and circumcision on the eighth day because of the threat of death, teach us that, for the time past, righteous men kept the Sabbath, or practiced circumcision, and were thus rendered “friends of God.” For if circumcision purges a man since God made Adam uncircumcised, why did He not circumcise him, even after his sinning, if circumcision purges? At all events, in settling him in paradise, He appointed one uncircumcised as colonist of paradise. Therefore, since God originated Adam uncircumcised, and inobservant of the Sabbath, consequently his offspring also, Abel, offering Him sacrifices, uncircumcised and inobservant of the Sabbath, was by Him commended; while He accepted what he was offering in simplicity of heart, and reprobated the sacrifice of his brother Cain, who was not rightly dividing what he was offering. Noah also, uncircumcised–yes, and inobservant of the Sabbath–God freed from the deluge. For Enoch, too, most righteous man, uncircumcised and in-observant of the Sabbath, He translated from this world; who did not first taste death, in order that, being a candidate for eternal life, he might by this time show us that we also may, without the burden of the law of Moses, please God.” Tertullian, An answer to the Jews, 2 (A.D. 203).
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“The apostles further appointed: On the first day of the week let there be service, and the reading of the Holy Scriptures, and the oblation: because on the first day of the week our Lord rose from the lace of the dead and on the first day of the week He arose upon the world, and on the first day of the week He ascended up to heaven, and on the first day of the week He will appear at last with the angels of heaven.” Teaching of the Apostles, 2 (A.D. 225).
“Hence it is not possible that the rest after the Sabbath should have come into existence from the seventh of our God; on the contrary, it is our Saviour who, after the pattern of His own rest, caused us to be made in the likeness of His death, and hence also of His resurrection.” Origen, Commentary on John, 2:27 (A.D. 229).
“On the seventh day He rested from all His works, and blessed it, and sanctified it. On the former day we are accustomed to fast rigorously, that on the Lord’s day we may go forth to our bread with giving of thanks. And let the parasceve become a rigorous fast, lest we should appear to observe any Sabbath with the Jews, which Christ Himself, the Lord of the Sabbath, says by His prophets that ‘His soul hateth;’ which Sabbath He in His body abolished.” Victorinus, On the Creation of the World (A.D. 300).
“They did not care about circumcision of the body, neither do we. They did not care about observing Sabbaths, nor do we.” Eusebius, Church History, 1:4,8 (A.D. 312).
“Also that day which is holy and blessed in everything, which possesses the name of Christ, namely the Lord’s day, having risen upon us on the fourth of Pharmuthi (Mar. 30), let us afterwards keep the holy feast of Pentecost.” Athanasius, Epistle 9:11 (A.D. 335).
“Fall not away either into the sect of the Samaritans, or into Judaism: for Jesus Christ henceforth hath ransomed thee. Stand aloof from all observance of Sabbaths, and from calling any indifferent meats common or unclean.” Cyril of Jerusalem, Catechetical Lectures, 4:37 (A.D. 350).
“Christians must not judaize by resting on the Sabbath, but must work on that day, rather honouring the Lord’s Day; and, if they can, resting then as Christians. But if any shall be found to be judaizers, let them be anathema from Christ.” Council of Laodicea, Canon 29 (A.D. 360).
“For many other observances of the Churches, which are due to tradition, have acquired the authority of the written law, as for instance the practice of dipping the head three times in the layer, and then, after leaving the water, of tasting mingled milk and honey in representation of infancy; and, again, the practices of standing up in worship on the Lord’s day, and ceasing from fasting every Pentecost; and there are many other unwritten practices which have won their place through reason and custom. So you see we follow the practice of the Church, although it may be clear that a person was baptized before the Spirit was invoked.” Jerome, Dialogue against the Luciferians, 8 (A.D. 382).
“Then as one whom they must respect, there will be the presbyter among them and this will contribute to the security of the estate. There will be constant prayers there through thee hymns and Communions through thee; the Oblation on each Lord’s Day.” John Chrysostom, Acts of the Apostles, Homily 18 (A.D. 388).
“And on the day of our Lord’s resurrection, which is the Lord’s day, meet more diligently, sending praise to God that made the universe by Jesus, and sent Him to us, and condescended to let Him suffer, and raised Him from the dead. Otherwise what apology will he make to God who does not assemble on that day to hear the saving word concerning the resurrection, on which we pray thrice standing in memory of Him who arose in three days, in which is performed the reading of the prophets, the preaching of the Gospel, the oblation of the sacrifice, the gift of the holy food?” Apostolic Constitutions, 2,7:59 (A.D. 400).
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“Hence it is not possible that the rest after the Sabbath should have come into existence from the seventh of our God; on the contrary, it is our Saviour who, after the pattern of His own rest, caused us to be made in the likeness of His death, and hence also of His resurrection.” Origen, Commentary on John, 2:27 (A.D. 229).
“On the seventh day He rested from all His works, and blessed it, and sanctified it. On the former day we are accustomed to fast rigorously, that on the Lord’s day we may go forth to our bread with giving of thanks. And let the parasceve become a rigorous fast, lest we should appear to observe any Sabbath with the Jews, which Christ Himself, the Lord of the Sabbath, says by His prophets that ‘His soul hateth;’ which Sabbath He in His body abolished.” Victorinus, On the Creation of the World (A.D. 300).
“They did not care about circumcision of the body, neither do we. They did not care about observing Sabbaths, nor do we.” Eusebius, Church History, 1:4,8 (A.D. 312).
“Also that day which is holy and blessed in everything, which possesses the name of Christ, namely the Lord’s day, having risen upon us on the fourth of Pharmuthi (Mar. 30), let us afterwards keep the holy feast of Pentecost.” Athanasius, Epistle 9:11 (A.D. 335).
“Fall not away either into the sect of the Samaritans, or into Judaism: for Jesus Christ henceforth hath ransomed thee. Stand aloof from all observance of Sabbaths, and from calling any indifferent meats common or unclean.” Cyril of Jerusalem, Catechetical Lectures, 4:37 (A.D. 350).
“Christians must not judaize by resting on the Sabbath, but must work on that day, rather honouring the Lord’s Day; and, if they can, resting then as Christians. But if any shall be found to be judaizers, let them be anathema from Christ.” Council of Laodicea, Canon 29 (A.D. 360).
“For many other observances of the Churches, which are due to tradition, have acquired the authority of the written law, as for instance the practice of dipping the head three times in the layer, and then, after leaving the water, of tasting mingled milk and honey in representation of infancy; and, again, the practices of standing up in worship on the Lord’s day, and ceasing from fasting every Pentecost; and there are many other unwritten practices which have won their place through reason and custom. So you see we follow the practice of the Church, although it may be clear that a person was baptized before the Spirit was invoked.” Jerome, Dialogue against the Luciferians, 8 (A.D. 382).
“Then as one whom they must respect, there will be the presbyter among them and this will contribute to the security of the estate. There will be constant prayers there through thee hymns and Communions through thee; the Oblation on each Lord’s Day.” John Chrysostom, Acts of the Apostles, Homily 18 (A.D. 388).
“And on the day of our Lord’s resurrection, which is the Lord’s day, meet more diligently, sending praise to God that made the universe by Jesus, and sent Him to us, and condescended to let Him suffer, and raised Him from the dead. Otherwise what apology will he make to God who does not assemble on that day to hear the saving word concerning the resurrection, on which we pray thrice standing in memory of Him who arose in three days, in which is performed the reading of the prophets, the preaching of the Gospel, the oblation of the sacrifice, the gift of the holy food?” Apostolic Constitutions, 2,7:59 (A.D. 400).
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“Well, now, I should like to be told what there is in these ten commandments, except the observance of the Sabbath, which ought not to be kept by a Christian,–whether it prohibit the making and worshipping of idols and of any other gods than the one true God, or the taking of God’s name in vain; or prescribe honour to parents; or give warning against fornication, murder, theft, false witness, adultery, or coveting other men’s property? Which of these commandments would any one say that the Christian ought not to keep? Is it possible to contend that it is not the law which was written on those two tables that the apostle describes as ‘the letter that killeth,’ but the law of circumcision and the other sacred rites which are now abolished? But then how can we think so, when in the law occurs this precept, ‘Thou shall not covet,’ by which very commandment, notwithstanding its being holy, just, and good, ‘sin,’ says the apostle, ‘deceived me, and by it slew me?’ What else can this be than ‘the letter’ that ‘killeth’?” Augustine, Spirit and the Letter, 23:14 (A.D. 412).
“He [Constantine] also enjoined the observance of the day termed the Lord’s day, which the Jews call the first day of the week, and which the pagans dedicate to the sun, as likewise the day before the seventh, and commanded that no judicial or other business should be transacted on those days, but that God should be served with prayers and supplications. He honored the Lord’s day, because on it Christ arose from the dead, and the day above mentioned, because on it he was crucified.” Sozomon, Ecclesiastical History, 1:8 (A.D. 443).
"It has come to my ears that certain men of perverse spirit have sown among you some things that are wrong and opposed to the holy faith, so as to forbid any work being done on the Sabbath day. What else can I call these but preachers of Antichrist, who, when he comes, will cause the Sabbath day as well as the Lord’s day to be kept free from all work. For, because he pretends to die and rise again, he wishes the Lord’s day to be had in reverence; and, because he compels the people to judaize that he may bring back the outward rite of the law, and subject the per-tidy of the Jews to himself, he wishes the Sabbath to be observed. For this which is said by the prophet, ‘Ye shall bring in no burden through your gates on the Sabbath day’, could be held to as long as it was lawful for the law to be observed according to the letter. But after that the grace of Almighty God, our Lord Jesus Christ has appeared, the commandments of the law which were spoken figuratively cannot be kept according to the letter. For, if any one says that this about the Sabbath is to be kept, he must needs say that carnal sacrifices are to be offered: he must say too that the commandment about the circumcision of the body is still to be retained. But let him hear the Apostle Paul saying in opposition to him, 'If ye be circumcised, Christ profiteth you nothing.’” Pope Gregory the Great [regn. A.D. 590-604], To the Roman Citizens, Epistle 13:1 (A.D. 597).
scripturecatholic.com/sunday_worship.html
The apostles and early Christians have not followed YOUR interpretation of Scripture regarding Sunday vs Saturday worship. So who’s wrong?
“He [Constantine] also enjoined the observance of the day termed the Lord’s day, which the Jews call the first day of the week, and which the pagans dedicate to the sun, as likewise the day before the seventh, and commanded that no judicial or other business should be transacted on those days, but that God should be served with prayers and supplications. He honored the Lord’s day, because on it Christ arose from the dead, and the day above mentioned, because on it he was crucified.” Sozomon, Ecclesiastical History, 1:8 (A.D. 443).
"It has come to my ears that certain men of perverse spirit have sown among you some things that are wrong and opposed to the holy faith, so as to forbid any work being done on the Sabbath day. What else can I call these but preachers of Antichrist, who, when he comes, will cause the Sabbath day as well as the Lord’s day to be kept free from all work. For, because he pretends to die and rise again, he wishes the Lord’s day to be had in reverence; and, because he compels the people to judaize that he may bring back the outward rite of the law, and subject the per-tidy of the Jews to himself, he wishes the Sabbath to be observed. For this which is said by the prophet, ‘Ye shall bring in no burden through your gates on the Sabbath day’, could be held to as long as it was lawful for the law to be observed according to the letter. But after that the grace of Almighty God, our Lord Jesus Christ has appeared, the commandments of the law which were spoken figuratively cannot be kept according to the letter. For, if any one says that this about the Sabbath is to be kept, he must needs say that carnal sacrifices are to be offered: he must say too that the commandment about the circumcision of the body is still to be retained. But let him hear the Apostle Paul saying in opposition to him, 'If ye be circumcised, Christ profiteth you nothing.’” Pope Gregory the Great [regn. A.D. 590-604], To the Roman Citizens, Epistle 13:1 (A.D. 597).
scripturecatholic.com/sunday_worship.html
The apostles and early Christians have not followed YOUR interpretation of Scripture regarding Sunday vs Saturday worship. So who’s wrong?
As they say, actions (or at least in forums, posts) speak louder than words Samie.
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eddadonkey
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Oh definitely this IS on topic, Samie.
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pablope
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Okay…thanks for the info…sorry, may have missed it…do you believe also in a sunday resurrection?
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pablope
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From post 51…[SIGN]Let me reiterate…
I gave you a historical fact…v9 to 20 of Mark 16 are not part of the original gospel of Mark…the original ending is lost forever…from v9 on…was added, later…to sort of complete the gospel ending…so you do not really know what is actually the gospel ending from v9…but no matter, this is wholly accepted by us Catholics.[/SIGN]
It is not known who added V9…so I take your reponse above that you accept the addition of v9, even though it was not originally part of the Gospel of Mark?
And you did not answer the questions below from post 51…which I repost here…
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And so I asked you the following questions, Samie…
But let me ask you question, knowing this, why do you accept the Gospel of Mark as part of Scripture? As inspired? Where is the chapter and verse where St. Mark claims authorship of the Gospel of Mark? And when you find this chapter and verse, why do you now accept Mark as the author? Why do you accept it as part of the Bible? [/SIGN]
[SIGN]And by this statement of yours…“Sunday-keeping translators of the Bible”…so let me ask you the same question…you believe every hook, line and sinker of the anti-Catholic propoganda of the SDA?
What is your proof, outside of SDA sources, that the sunday keeping translators made a deliberate mistranslation?
I asked for proof outside of SDA sources…studies, actual proof, actual evidence…of what you are contesting…otherwise, if it comes from SDA sources…it is all anti-Catholic propoganda…which you seem to have swallowed…hook, line and sinker… [/SIGN]
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Samie
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Hi eddadonkey;
I simply refuse to play your games. You want to derail this thread by insisting on another issue? Well, you could go on. I leave it up to the Moderators.
But if I were you, why not instead start another thread on Sabbath vs Sunday and vent your energy against my position in that thread. I will surely follow you there. Can you accept my challenge?
But please, NOT in this thread.
In Christ Our Savior,
Samie
I simply refuse to play your games. You want to derail this thread by insisting on another issue? Well, you could go on. I leave it up to the Moderators.
But if I were you, why not instead start another thread on Sabbath vs Sunday and vent your energy against my position in that thread. I will surely follow you there. Can you accept my challenge?
But please, NOT in this thread.
In Christ Our Savior,
Samie
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Samie
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Hi, pablope;
Do you have anything on ‘prote sabbatou’? Sorry, but your last two posts are simply not worth my time anymore. Really sorry, brother. The questions you asked in those last posts were already addressed in my previous posts. Unless, you didn’t realize it.
In Christ Our Risen Lord,
Samie
Do you have anything on ‘prote sabbatou’? Sorry, but your last two posts are simply not worth my time anymore. Really sorry, brother. The questions you asked in those last posts were already addressed in my previous posts. Unless, you didn’t realize it.
In Christ Our Risen Lord,
Samie
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trebiasgreg
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Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food or drink or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath. These are only a shadow [Greek: skia] of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ. (Col. 2:16–17)
Peace be to you
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Samie
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Thanks for the post. Although of course, off-topic.
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Trevor_Stamm
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If you’re looking for indisputable validation that Christ was crucified and died on a Friday, might want to watch this youtube.com/watch?v=EvVjagprCi0&feature=related and read this english.pravda.ru/science/tech/16-05-2003/2819-christ-0/
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Samie
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Thanks, Trevor. I will view the video and visit the link. But since you have gone over them, anything therein about ‘proi prote sabbatou’ of Mark 16:9?
Again, thanks.
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Samie
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I followed the link. Here’s the info, uploaded May 16, 2003, in the link:
pravda.ru:
Sorry, but it’s a farce; a waste of time. Since when can a solar eclipse occur on a full moon?
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TOME
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Samie,
I was hoping you would have responded to my post 31} but since you did not I will expand my thoughts.
I disagree with your starting point. There is no way, according to the scriptures, that Jesus rose from the dead on a Saturday. I haven’t looked at the other links provided in this ongoing discussion; I don’t need to. But I disagree with you for the following reasons:
I was hoping you would have responded to my post 31} but since you did not I will expand my thoughts.
I disagree with your starting point. There is no way, according to the scriptures, that Jesus rose from the dead on a Saturday. I haven’t looked at the other links provided in this ongoing discussion; I don’t need to. But I disagree with you for the following reasons:
- Mark 16 vs 1 states that the women went to the tomb after the sabbath.
- The activities of all the main players are activities that would not take place on a Saturday because of Sabbath restrictions.
- According to John, Jesus died on Nisan 14. Between 30 AD and 37 AD Nisan 14 occured only twice on a Friday; 30 AD and 33AD. The scripture scholars I have studied hold that Jesus died either in 30 AD or 33 AD. This would make a Saturday out of the question.
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Samie
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RSV Mark 16:1
The verse says they bought spices after the sabbath, contrary to what you said.
What activities?
Why presuppose it was Friday when Christ died? What biblical proof?
I hope so, too.
Thanks, TOME.
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TOME
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Samie,
Please explain to me how Mark 16 vs 1 is contrary to what I said? I said the women went to the tomb after the sabbath. Again, how is this contrary to Mark 16 vs. 1? I just do not understand your assertion?
Please explain to me how Mark 16 vs 1 is contrary to what I said? I said the women went to the tomb after the sabbath. Again, how is this contrary to Mark 16 vs. 1? I just do not understand your assertion?
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Incomplete
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Interesting how you leave out the point I was making.
Having said that, maybe you don’t realize how many Bible scholars speak Greek, including my priest (who IS a Bible scholar and owns a Greek bible and can read it) and don’t come to the same conclusion you did.
Also interesting that the early Church would have some ulterior motive to change the Sabbath to Sunday. So many, many difficult teachings they could try to change instead, but no, they change the date of worship.
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Todd_Easton
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I don’t know Greek but as far as I can tell the expression prote sabbatou in the New Testament seems to be unique to Mark 16:9 so its intended meaning will probably never be known for certain. A seemingly related expression using the word deuteroprotos instead of protos apparently appears in some inferior manuscripts in Luke 6:1 and is usually translated there as second-first Sabbath, referring perhaps to the second Sabbath following the first Sabbath after the Passover. Since the usual expression in Scripture for the first day of the week in Mark and elsewhere seems to be something like mia twn sabbatwn, without looking to any non-Biblical sources for clarification, the expression in question, prote sabbatou, might indeed, as you suggest, be translated *first *or Chief Sabbath (following Passover) rather than the first day of the week.
However, there are non-Biblical sources that we can look to for clarification, such Justin Martyr, who converted to Christianity about A.D. 125 (about 20 years after the death of the apostle John) and later (about A.D. 155) wrote, as previous posters have briefly mentioned:
But Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly, because it is the first day on which God, having wrought a change in the darkness and matter, made the world; and Jesus Christ our Saviour on the same day rose from the dead. For He was crucified on the day before that of Saturn (Saturday); and on the day after that of Saturn, which is the day of the Sun, having appeared to His apostles and disciples, He taught them these things, which we have submitted to you also for your consideration. (Justin Martyr, First Apology, chap. 67)
Also, it is my understanding that Mark 16:9 can be translated two different ways depending on whether the word early applies to rising or to appearing and may not, as you assume, refer to the actual time of Christ’s resurrection but to the time of his appearing to Mary Magdalene: “he rising (i.e., having risen), appeared early morning the first day of the week first to Mary Magdalene…”, instead of “he, rising early morning the first day of the week, appeared first to Mary Magdalene…”
Other considerations concerning Mark 16:9:
Since Mark 16:9 is not found in many important ancient Bible manuscripts, how certain are you that it can be trusted?
The expression Chief Sabbath that you propose seems rather technical Jewish-speak. Would Mark’s principal audience of Gentile Christians really know what he was talking about?
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