Christian, Jewish, and Muslim Dietary Laws

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I was recently involved in a thread which has been closed by the moderator. I didn’t have a chance to read the last several posts and to be able to respond before it was closed. However, I have read them now and they bring to mind an interesting (at least to me) topic:

What about the dietary laws that Christians, Jews, and Muslims were and/or are required to follow? What foods are the members of each group allowed to consume? What is expressly forbidden for consumption by the members of each group? Have there been changes in these laws? Can there be changes in these laws?

Everyone is welcome.

Any comments?

Peace and joy to all who are searching for Truth! 🙂
 
It is my understanding that Muslims believe that Christians who eat pork are not following the laws taught by Jesus. Peter, an Apostle of Jesus had the following vision:

And on the next day, whilst they were going on their journey and drawing nigh to the city, Peter went up to the higher parts of the house to pray, about the sixth hour. And being hungry, he was desirous to taste somewhat. And as they were preparing, there came upon him an ecstasy of mind.

And he saw the heaven opened and a certain vessel descending, as it were a great linen sheet let down by the four corners from heaven to the earth: Wherein were all manner of four-footed beasts and creeping things of the earth and fowls of the air.

And there came a voice to him: Arise, Peter. Kill and eat.

But Peter said: Far be it from me. For I never did eat any thing that is common and unclean.

And the voice spoke to him again the second time: That which God hath cleansed, do not thou call common.

And this was done thrice. And presently the vessel was taken up into heaven.

[Acts 10:9-16, Douay-Rheims Bible]

It is clear to me that if Jesus taught his disciples to follow dietary laws which forbade the consumption of pork, this law was then changed. We know Jesus is God. We know that the bible is the Word of God, and as such, is Truth.

In the thread that was closed I presented this bible passage as a response to a post written by a Muslim forum member and did not receive a satisfactory reply to my request to that member to explain this vision. The reply I received showed an attempt to change the subject.

I don’t think changing the subject is a good idea. I would like to discuss this vision of Peter and its significance on dietary laws for Christians, and am interested in the Muslim interpretation of this vision.

My post can be accessed by the following link:

forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=6538968&postcount=448
 
In addition to the excellent information above, I’d like to mention that we also see Christ himself declaring all foods clean in St. Mark 7:19. In both cases, we can recognize that the dietary laws were meant to show the distinction between clean and unclean in all aspects of life. They were more than mere rules to govern eating. There are lessons to be learned by keeping them and by reading what the New Testament says regarding them. Christ shows us in St. Mark’s Gospel that righteousness is greater than rulekeeping. Peter’s vision shows us that the Gospel was not limited to those who kept the ceremonial law. If God declared Gentiles to be clean - and thus worthy to receive salvation and the Holy Spirit - then their status as ceremonially “unclean” was no longer a hindrance or barrier.

In a sense, I believe that the ceremonial laws were there to demonstrate the distinction between God’s people and those outside the Covenant. In Acts, we suddenly see the Gentiles engrafted into the Covenant people. Though keeping the ceremonial and dietary laws is still perfectly acceptable, the Gentiles were not obliged to keep them, for doing so would have obscured the grace of God. Their salvation and their inclusion in the New Covenant were not based upon keeping a Law that even Israel itself could not perfectly keep.
 
I was recently involved in a thread which has been closed by the moderator. I didn’t have a chance to read the last several posts and to be able to respond before it was closed. However, I have read them now and they bring to mind an interesting (at least to me) topic:

What about the dietary laws that Christians, Jews, and Muslims were and/or are required to follow? What foods are the members of each group allowed to consume? What is expressly forbidden for consumption by the members of each group? Have there been changes in these laws? Can there be changes in these laws?

Everyone is welcome.

Any comments?

Peace and joy to all who are searching for Truth! 🙂
the only Dietry laws i am aware of for Catholics are those set out by the Church, and they are for Lent, the rules for lent are
  1. Fasting everyday (preferrably) which means having 1 big meal, and up to 2 smaller meals, which do not equal the size of the big meal (combined), and no snacks, and only drinking water
  2. Abstinence from Meat on Ash Wednesday, and all Fridays in Lent
This one is more of a Discipline, more commonly followed in the Eastern Orthodox Churches, however I, and many traditional Catholics Follow it
3. The Great Fast, no eating or drinking (except Water) from 3PM Liturgy on Good Friday, untill atleast after the Easter Vigil Mass, it is extremely hard to follow, and infact i could not do it this year, so i had one small meal on Good Friday, which did not equal the size of a small meal on any day of lent (it was just a admirals pie, and a small one at that)

Other Christian Denominations, or Churches follow similar rules, others do not, it is a matter of discipline in the Church, not the Bible.
 
Basic rule

Judaism: Only foods (or categories of foods) that are explicitly permitted can be eaten. Such foods are called kosher; foods that are not kosher are called traif.

Islam: Any food that is not explicitly forbidden (haram) is permitted (halal).

Meat

J: Only cloven-hoofed animals that chew their cud can be eaten. Thus, cows, sheep, and goats are OK among domesticated animals, plus the deer family. Pigs (cloven hoofs but don’t chew their cud) are forbidden. By-products made from prohibited animals are also prohibited.

I: Only pigs are explicitly prohibited in the Quran, and related by-products (such as lard, gelatin, etc.). Animals with claws and fangs (predators and carrion eaters) are prohibited implicitly but not explicitly. Some foods are considered disgusting even though not expressly prohibited (makruh). This can vary by region for animals such as donkeys, pelicans, weasels, foxes, ravens, and crocodiles, for instance.

Slaughter

J: Animal must be slaughtered appropriately, which includes the throat being slit in a quick and merciful manner. Any other form of death renders the animal non-kosher. After slaughter, the carcass is examined for defects and disease, the presence of which makes the meat non-kosher. Drinking of blood is prohibited, and this means that all the blood must be drained from the body, and the meat washed and soaked in salt to remove the blood. Certain parts of the animal may not be eaten, including certain fats and the sciatic nerve, both of which are found in the hindquarters; consequently, many Jews do not eat the hindquarters. NOTE: Observant Jews living away from a kosher butcher have to import their meat. Meat slaughtered by a non-kosher butcher is never acceptable (except in cases of starvation or medical necessity).

I: The animal must be slaughtered appropriately, which includes the throat being slit in a quick and merciful manner. Drinking of blood is prohibited, and this means that all the blood must be drained from the body. Game animals are OK, but the meat of any animal killed by a blow, falling from a height, or gored with horns is prohibited. NOTE: Muslims living in an area that does not have an official Muslim slaughterer can eat kosher meat that has met the rules of Jewish slaughter. If there is no kosher meat available, Muslims may eat meat from Christian butchers, excluding pigs.

Birds

J: The rules are complex because the Torah lists specific prohibited species, and the rabbis draw conclusions about broader prohibited characteristics. Basically, the common domesticated birds are OK, such as chicken, turkeys, ducks, geese, and pigeons. Birds of prey are prohibited. Only eggs from kosher birds are permitted.

I: Although not specifically forbidden by the Quran, birds of prey and carrion-eaters are considered to be prohibited.

Fish and seafood

J: Fish must have scales and fins. For example, catfish (fins but no scales) are not permitted. Lobsters, crabs and shrimp are prohibited, having neither fins nor scales. There is no particular slaughter method necessary for fish.

I: All seafood is permitted, and there is no particular slaughter method required. Some Muslims, noting certain sayings of the Prophet that crawling sea creatures (shrimp, crabs, lobsters, etc.) are disgusting, refrain from eating these. Similarly, catfish, while not explicitly prohibited, is not preferred.

Rodents and reptiles

J: Prohibited, since they don’t have cloven hoofs or chew their cuds. Also prohibited as creatures that “creep” and “crawl.” Prohibited by implication, but not directly. Insects Generally prohibited as creatures that “creep and crawl.” A few species of locusts are permitted, but we can no longer identify them with certainty (the ancient Hebrew terms are no longer clear).

I: Prohibited (except for certain locusts).

Alcohol

J: No prohibition, although some authorities require certification of the alcohol to ensure that there was no contact with non-kosher elements.

I: Anything that interferes with the clear functioning of the mind is prohibited. This includes alcohol and intoxicating drugs. Alcohol is prohibited either as a beverage or in food preparation; thus pure vanilla and other extracts pose a problem, as do mouthwashes with alcohol.

Vegetables and fruits

J: There are no prohibitions; any fruit or vegetable is permitted. However, some authorities exclude certain vegetables — like broccoli — to prevent the possibility that small insects or insect parts might have lodged in the tiny crevices.

I: There are no prohibitions; any fruit or vegetable is permitted.

Other

J: Any food that has been consecrated to an idol is prohibited. Eating meat and dairy products in the same meal is not permitted. The rules here become very complex, including separate dishes and silverware to be used for “meat” meals and for “dairy” meals. Traditional Jews check the ingredients on foods (thanks to modern labeling!) to ensure there is no mixture of dairy and meat products. The rules on cheeses are very complex, since cheese is curdled in rennet (a meat by-product, but not itself a food).

I: Any food that has been consecrated to another deity is prohibited. (Kosher food is OK, since it is killed in the name of Allah’s earlier Revelation.) Islam has no rules on mixtures of types of foods.

Food (or its absence) is usually an important part of any celebration. Although Christianity does not have specific dietary prohibitions, the rite of communion involves bread and wine, and Catholics tend to refrain from eating meat during Lent. Traditions such as Christmas puddings or Easter eggs also tie foods into religious celebration. And families, in all religions, tend to have traditional meals on holidays.

straightdope.com/columns/read/2105/do-jewish-and-islamic-dietary-laws-have-anything-in-common
 
planten wrote: *You should remember that you become what you eat. If you eat chicken you become a chicken. If you eat vegetables, you become a cow. If you eat meat, you become a tiger or wolf or eagle.
So I see that by eating swine, you are becoming a swine. That is the natural consequence. By eating the flesh of swine (which was allowed to you by Paul. He took christianity to greece. He wanted to please the Greeks and permitted eating of swine because they loved it too much.)you have disgraced Jesus.*
Classic Zakir Naik, LOL.

“The pig is the most shameless animal on the face of the earth. It is the only animal that invites its friends to have sex with its mate. It feels no jealousy. And among people who consume pork, the practice of wife swapping and other forms of promiscuous behaviour is common.”

islamicvoice.com/february.99/zakir.htm
 
I’m posting here because the previous thread with the topic of Jesus vs Muhammad was already closed while at the end of it there was a discussion that was shifted to mainly Muslims bashing Christians of eating swine.

I was very much feeling dissappointed since it was rather abruptly closed at the position when Muslims have accused the Christian of choosing to ignore the law that at no point at all in the NT it has ever been suggested or made lawful.

The most disgusting part of their insults are when they say that eating swine, and other creatures would affect the mind or the behavioral tendencies of people (accusation made especially by Planten) while I was pointing that it has nothing to do with it (demographically pointing that no people in the world would be affected by it), they suddenly play the game of taqiyya of accusing me that I was the one that accusing people that are abstaining from pork are having the backward mentality …!!! Ha…ha…They really don’t get the main idea. They are the one who started playing that card , and at the end pointing back that I was the one who came with the idea…so ridiculous. It became so ridiculous and silly at the core!

I think when we discussed things in Islam with this sort of mentality shown by some Muslims (of course not all muslims are acting the same), it wouldn’t give any fruitful result.
I am just hoping that they would finally see that their position of holding the rulekeeping and feeling righteous would be against God’s will of giving mercy to all people. People would think that focusing on some law would make them more secured, but at the end it was not law abiding that would save people but the spirit of the law that goes with the loving God and the Golden Rule would be the most matter.
 
Classic Zakir Naik, LOL.

“The pig is the most shameless animal on the face of the earth. It is the only animal that invites its friends to have sex with its mate. It feels no jealousy. And among people who consume pork, the practice of wife swapping and other forms of promiscuous behaviour is common.”

islamicvoice.com/february.99/zakir.htm
I have read the link you provided.
It must have been a “radiant light” for muslims that they would keep insisting the way Planten put above. Really silly!!! Does this Zakir ever produced anything that would be scientifically proven or just another muslim propaganda with whatever causes?

How on earth this kind of people would bring peace but prejudice and hate?
 
Prophet Daniel and his companions that were captured by King Nebuchadnezzar were vegetarian.I thought it was a vow that he took to be able to discern things more clearly?
But this is not some kind of law that should be observed by people. It’s a matter of choice.
 
**Matthew 15:10 : Jesus told them, “Listen and understand: 11 It’s not what goes into the mouth that defiles a man, but what comes out of the mouth, this defiles a man.”

12 Then the disciples came up and told Him, “Do You know that the Pharisees took offense when they heard this statement?”

13 He replied, “Every plant that My heavenly Father didn’t plant will be uprooted. 14 Leave them alone! They are blind guides. And if the blind guide the blind, both will fall into a pit.”

15 Then Peter replied to Him, “Explain this parable to us.”

16 “Are even you still lacking in understanding?” He asked. 17 “Don’t you realize that whatever goes into the mouth passes into the stomach and is eliminated? 18 But what comes out of the mouth comes from the heart, and this defiles a man. 19 For from the heart come evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, sexual immoralities, thefts, false testimonies, blasphemies. 20 These are the things that defile a man, but eating with unwashed hands does not defile a man.”**

It is not what we eat that defiles us. It is what is in our hearts that defiles us.

AMEN !

muslimsopenyoureyes.blogspot.com

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I’m posting here because the previous thread with the topic of Jesus vs Muhammad was already closed while at the end of it there was a discussion that was shifted to mainly Muslims bashing Christians of eating swine.

I was very much feeling dissappointed since it was rather abruptly closed at the position when Muslims have accused the Christian of choosing to ignore the law that at no point at all in the NT it has ever been suggested or made lawful.

The most disgusting part of their insults are when they say that eating swine, and other creatures would affect the mind or the behavioral tendencies of people (accusation made especially by Planten) while I was pointing that it has nothing to do with it (demographically pointing that no people in the world would be affected by it), they suddenly play the game of taqiyya of accusing me that I was the one that accusing people that are abstaining from pork are having the backward mentality …!!! Ha…ha…They really don’t get the main idea. They are the one who started playing that card , and at the end pointing back that I was the one who came with the idea…so ridiculous. It became so ridiculous and silly at the core!

I think when we discussed things in Islam with this sort of mentality shown by some Muslims (of course not all muslims are acting the same), it wouldn’t give any fruitful result.
I am just hoping that they would finally see that their position of holding the rulekeeping and feeling righteous would be against God’s will of giving mercy to all people. People would think that focusing on some law would make them more secured, but at the end it was not law abiding that would save people but the spirit of the law that goes with the loving God and the Golden Rule would be the most matter.
Planten and Hamba are old players here. They know what to do if they want a thread closed. Get it hijacked and trade insult and when the mods notice it most probably the thread will be closed as it is against the forum’s rule to discuss in such a manner. It’s lucky that planten managed to get away with it – you don’t insult your fellow posters by saying that they are like swine and such. On the other hand, probably they are useful assets to the forum because if not for them many of us may not sharpen up our own knowledge of our faith to argue with them. So perhaps it is best to look at it from that angle.

As for dietary law – Islam is not consistent with it either. When Muslims quote Moses and Jesus with regards to their dietary law, we would expect that they are in consonant with them. Apparently they don’t too. As can be seen, not all prohibited animals by Moses are prohibited in Islam, the example being camels and lizards which the Arab Muslims consume with great gusto. How Muslims can accuse Christians of not following the dietary law is amazing considering they do not follow it to the letter.

Ultimately, it is whose teaching are we to follow: Judaism follows Moses, Christianity follows Jesus and Islam follows Mohammad. We may want to ask whether the dietary law is required for the salvation of one’s soul. We have to be consistent then. Mohammad did not follow the Law of Moses because he was a different prophet. Christians do not follow the dietary law of Moses because of Jesus. Mosaic Law being the Old Covenant while in Jesus we enter into the New Covenant.

Muslims do not know anything about the New Covenant yet they could not follow all that Moses taught. So definitely there are changes with Mohammad. Similarly there are changes with Jesus. The question that might be asked is what and why the changes?

Christians answer for that have been explained vigorously and understood. We can see the reason for the changes. However, Muslims who claim that they do not change from the old law yet amazingly cannot follow it to the fullest. That surely must be the contention here about the dietary law.

God bless.
 
Alcohol

J: No prohibition, although some authorities require certification of the alcohol to ensure that there was no contact with non-kosher elements.

I: Anything that interferes with the clear functioning of the mind is prohibited. This includes alcohol and intoxicating drugs. Alcohol is prohibited either as a beverage or in food preparation; thus pure vanilla and other extracts pose a problem, as do mouthwashes with alcohol.
Surely then that has to include cigarette and marijuana.
 
Planten and Hamba are old players here. They know what to do if they want a thread closed. Get it hijacked and trade insult and when the mods notice it most probably the thread will be closed as it is against the forum’s rule to discuss in such a manner. It’s lucky that planten managed to get away with it – you don’t insult your fellow posters by saying that they are like swine and such. On the other hand, probably they are useful assets to the forum because if not for them many of us may not sharpen up our own knowledge of our faith to argue with them. So perhaps it is best to look at it from that angle.

As for dietary law – Islam is not consistent with it either. When Muslims quote Moses and Jesus with regards to their dietary law, we would expect that they are in consonant with them. Apparently they don’t too. As can be seen, not all prohibited animals by Moses are prohibited in Islam, the example being camels and lizards which the Arab Muslims consume with great gusto. How Muslims can accuse Christians of not following the dietary law is amazing considering they do not follow it to the letter.

Ultimately, it is whose teaching are we to follow: Judaism follows Moses, Christianity follows Jesus and Islam follows Mohammad. We may want to ask whether the dietary law is required for the salvation of one’s soul. We have to be consistent then. Mohammad did not follow the Law of Moses because he was a different prophet. Christians do not follow the dietary law of Moses because of Jesus. Mosaic Law being the Old Covenant while in Jesus we enter into the New Covenant.

Muslims do not know anything about the New Covenant yet they could not follow all that Moses taught. So definitely there are changes with Mohammad. Similarly there are changes with Jesus. The question that might be asked is what and why the changes?

Christians answer for that have been explained vigorously and understood. We can see the reason for the changes. However, Muslims who claim that they do not change from the old law yet amazingly cannot follow it to the fullest. That surely must be the contention here about the dietary law.

God bless.
Thanks Reuben…
I can now feel relieve, especially when you pointing that their attempt to ridicule us will only bring more effort on us to bring knowledge on the Bible and the real teachings of Christian, in other words strengthening our faith.👍

God bless
 
Surely then that has to include cigarette and marijuana.
Well I don’t smoke cigarettes, but I don’t think they impair you. Marijuana would though. Some Muslims definitely go against their dietary regulations by smoking khat.
 
I will say something I’ve said it before, if I think that there is a food or a drink which leads to drunkenness or sickness or could cause harm for others (physically or emotionally) then I will not eat nor drink it even though that it is permissible, at least that what I understand from this Biblical quote:

(1 Corinthians 10:23-24):
Everything is permissible"—but not everything is beneficial. “Everything is permissible”—but not everything is constructive. Nobody should seek his own good, but the good of others.
 
Surely then that has to include cigarette and marijuana.
Marijuana is clearly forbidden by Islam, as are harder drugs. There is a movement of prominent Muslim intellectuals, particularly in Egypt, who have been very active in attempting to convince the population that tobacco is haram, but this is probably a losing battle as nearly every male above 10 years old in the Middle East is a dedicated smoker. I’m not sure what the “official” position is on khat, but I think most people consider it to be no stronger than caffeine, which nearly everybody agrees is unobjectionable.
 
Marijuana is clearly forbidden by Islam, as are harder drugs. There is a movement of prominent Muslim intellectuals, particularly in Egypt, who have been very active in attempting to convince the population that tobacco is haram, but this is probably a losing battle as nearly every male above 10 years old in the Middle East is a dedicated smoker. I’m not sure what the “official” position is on khat, but I think most people consider it to be no stronger than caffeine, which nearly everybody agrees is unobjectionable.
Interesting. Why don’t just declare tobacco and khat haram rather than going on a campaign to discourage something this wrong from a religious point of view? If it is haram do we really need a public campaign to say it is so? After all the religion has been there for about 1400 thousand years already. It is difficult for me to see that only today and even then only a few Muslims realize things like that are haram. It makes you wonder - if they are prohibited to eat pork which is just a food and they religously and fanatically obey it, why don’t that passion apply to something that is outright dangerous to the physical and also spiritual health, and which also prohibited by the religion?
 
It is my understanding that Muslims believe that Christians who eat pork are not following the laws taught by Jesus. Peter, an Apostle of Jesus had the following vision:

And on the next day, whilst they were going on their journey and drawing nigh to the city, Peter went up to the higher parts of the house to pray, about the sixth hour. And being hungry, he was desirous to taste somewhat. And as they were preparing, there came upon him an ecstasy of mind.

And he saw the heaven opened and a certain vessel descending, as it were a great linen sheet let down by the four corners from heaven to the earth: Wherein were all manner of four-footed beasts and creeping things of the earth and fowls of the air.

And there came a voice to him: Arise, Peter. Kill and eat.

But Peter said: Far be it from me. For I never did eat any thing that is common and unclean.

And the voice spoke to him again the second time: That which God hath cleansed, do not thou call common.

And this was done thrice. And presently the vessel was taken up into heaven.

[Acts 10:9-16, Douay-Rheims Bible]

It is clear to me that if Jesus taught his disciples to follow dietary laws which forbade the consumption of pork, this law was then changed. We know Jesus is God. We know that the bible is the Word of God, and as such, is Truth.

In the thread that was closed I presented this bible passage as a response to a post written by a Muslim forum member and did not receive a satisfactory reply to my request to that member to explain this vision. The reply I received showed an attempt to change the subject.

I don’t think changing the subject is a good idea. I would like to discuss this vision of Peter and its significance on dietary laws for Christians, and am interested in the Muslim interpretation of this vision.

My post can be accessed by the following link:

forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=6538968&postcount=448
This question is really about whether or not Christians should place so much faith in “visions”.

The Bible continually warns that one can “err in vision” (Isaiah 28:7) and it says that there are “false visions” (Ezekiel 21:29; 22:28; Jeremiah 14:14; Ezekiel 12:24). A false vision is a “futile vision” (Ezekiel 13:7). That is it is “a vision without substance”

In fact, the Bible says that some visions are not only false, but are actually “deceptive” (Lamentations 2:14). That means that some visions are meant to deceive.
 
This question is really about whether or not Christians should place so much faith in “visions”.

The Bible continually warns that one can “err in vision” (Isaiah 28:7) and it says that there are “false visions” (Ezekiel 21:29; 22:28; Jeremiah 14:14; Ezekiel 12:24). A false vision is a “futile vision” (Ezekiel 13:7). That is it is “a vision without substance”

In fact, the Bible says that some visions are not only false, but are actually “deceptive” (Lamentations 2:14). That means that some visions are meant to deceive.
You miss the deeper meaning of this vision. The purpose of Peter’s vision was to tell him that being around Gentiles would not make him unclean. The dietary laws had their fulfillment in this event. God was telling him to take the Gospel to the Gentiles, and he used the now-clean foods to represent the now-clean Gentiles. Therefore, if the vision is false, as you believe, then God never wanted Gentiles to hear the Gospel. We know that is untrue.
 
Interesting. Why don’t just declare tobacco and khat haram rather than going on a campaign to discourage something this wrong from a religious point of view? If it is haram do we really need a public campaign to say it is so? After all the religion has been there for about 1400 thousand years already. It is difficult for me to see that only today and even then only a few Muslims realize things like that are haram. It makes you wonder - if they are prohibited to eat pork which is just a food and they religously and fanatically obey it, why don’t that passion apply to something that is outright dangerous to the physical and also spiritual health, and which also prohibited by the religion?
Well, it’s by no means a unanimous position that smoking should be prohibited, and it’s been an integral part of the culture for hundreds of years. People also worry that labeling tobacco haram would lead to more drinking, which everybody agrees is worse. And there’s nobody who can unilaterally decide that something is forbidden by religion – every imam only has as much respect as he is able to earn from his followers and other imams, there’s no hierarchy like there is in the Catholic Church.
 
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