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I have a serious question about how a Catholic should deal with Islam. Please read the entirety before flaming me.
On one hand, Islam is traditionally evangelized by the sword. It conquered Arabia, Persia, the Levant, North Africa, Anatolia, the Balkans, and Spain. Much of the area it conquered was Christian prior to conquest. The choise for the previous inhabitants (except Christians and Jews) was convert or die. For Christians and Jews, there was a third choise; pay a tax, acknowledge the superiority of Islam, and be (very) second class citizens (but still subject to Sharia law).
Muslims practiced the slave trade in the Mediterranean Sea up through the early 19th century.
To this day they practice human rights violations that would get a western government chastised by the UN and other international organizations.
Anywhere where there is a Muslim majority, they are intolerant of other beliefs.
The Koran requires that they war with all non-Muslims. Islam means submission (to Allah/God). In Muslim society there is the House of Islam (submission) and the House of War. There are no other options. Muslims may make a truce with non-Muslims but may not make a permanent peace and breaking the truce can be by treachery.
Muslims have attacked the West and the USA by stealth and openly and ISIS has declared war on the US.
While many Muslims are law abiding American citizens and probably hate ISIS as much or more than non-muslims, a strict reading of the Koran shows what the devout Muslim is supposed to do. It sometimes seems that the difference between peaceful Muslims and redical muslims is the population percentage in the area considered.
On the other hand;
Matthew 5:39 But I say to you, offer no resistance to one who is evil…
Matthew 5:44 But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,…
There is also, however the Just War principle.
I have been dealing with this in one way or another since I came back to the Church after a 40 year hiatus. I was an infantryman (during the Cold War) and was good at my job. For those not aware of it, an infantryman is the guy who goes up the the soldiers on the other side and kills them any way he can.
I have been told that this is not a sin and that I did not need to confess it. It was even explained to me why this is so. The explanation almost made sense. It is something that I need to take on faith and I will do that.
From an infantryman point of view, the way to deal with ISIS and radical Islam is obvious; quote Arnaud Amalric at the siege of Beziers. I don’t have a problem with Islam if they keep it in their countries but if they start making noise elsewhere, nuke them til they glow and shoot them in the dark.
On the other hand (what is that, about 4 hands?) this is not a very Christian attitude.
But my whole being cries out to protect those that cannot protect themselves, my wife, my children and grand children, and others. (John 15:13)
What is a Catholic to do?
I would like to hear rational discussion.
Patrick
On one hand, Islam is traditionally evangelized by the sword. It conquered Arabia, Persia, the Levant, North Africa, Anatolia, the Balkans, and Spain. Much of the area it conquered was Christian prior to conquest. The choise for the previous inhabitants (except Christians and Jews) was convert or die. For Christians and Jews, there was a third choise; pay a tax, acknowledge the superiority of Islam, and be (very) second class citizens (but still subject to Sharia law).
Muslims practiced the slave trade in the Mediterranean Sea up through the early 19th century.
To this day they practice human rights violations that would get a western government chastised by the UN and other international organizations.
Anywhere where there is a Muslim majority, they are intolerant of other beliefs.
The Koran requires that they war with all non-Muslims. Islam means submission (to Allah/God). In Muslim society there is the House of Islam (submission) and the House of War. There are no other options. Muslims may make a truce with non-Muslims but may not make a permanent peace and breaking the truce can be by treachery.
Muslims have attacked the West and the USA by stealth and openly and ISIS has declared war on the US.
While many Muslims are law abiding American citizens and probably hate ISIS as much or more than non-muslims, a strict reading of the Koran shows what the devout Muslim is supposed to do. It sometimes seems that the difference between peaceful Muslims and redical muslims is the population percentage in the area considered.
On the other hand;
Matthew 5:39 But I say to you, offer no resistance to one who is evil…
Matthew 5:44 But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,…
There is also, however the Just War principle.
I have been dealing with this in one way or another since I came back to the Church after a 40 year hiatus. I was an infantryman (during the Cold War) and was good at my job. For those not aware of it, an infantryman is the guy who goes up the the soldiers on the other side and kills them any way he can.
I have been told that this is not a sin and that I did not need to confess it. It was even explained to me why this is so. The explanation almost made sense. It is something that I need to take on faith and I will do that.
From an infantryman point of view, the way to deal with ISIS and radical Islam is obvious; quote Arnaud Amalric at the siege of Beziers. I don’t have a problem with Islam if they keep it in their countries but if they start making noise elsewhere, nuke them til they glow and shoot them in the dark.
On the other hand (what is that, about 4 hands?) this is not a very Christian attitude.
But my whole being cries out to protect those that cannot protect themselves, my wife, my children and grand children, and others. (John 15:13)
What is a Catholic to do?
I would like to hear rational discussion.
Patrick