Christianity and Chick-fil-A

[Miriam1947]

The saddest part of this is that the homosexual population of our country is 2% or less.

Do the math. We have to redefine marriage because of an agenda which wants us to approve their way of life.

The Chick fil A controversy is about free speech as well. When you have mayors of major cities using their power to decide a business cannot open because of the personal beliefs of their owners, we are now going down the road to fascism.

There is a First Amendment for a reason and I am thankful for it.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

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[Debora123]

This isn’t intolerant. The picture is objectively true. If you guys are so convinced that the picture is not true why don’t you try to start a “national donate 5 dollars to the homeless” or “volunteer at a soup kitchen” day and see if it catches on as much as eating at chick fil a. I can tell you now it won’t.

The statement is “you would never see this many Christians lined up at a food bank or homeless shelter.”

As I have shown with the article, the statement is false.

 

[pete_29]

First of all there are a lot of Christian liberals. Most of America is still Christian.

“The majority of Americans (76% to 80%) identify themselves as Protestants or Catholics, accounting for 51% and 25% of the population respectively, according to one survey by Trinity College”

WE ARE SO PERSECUTED!!! We have a 4 to 1 majority in America but we are being persecuted. I know why that is though…it is because all the politicians are not Christian. Wait, almost every politician is Christian. Hmmmm, so how does this persecution work again?

So its alright to condemn someones right to free speech as long as they’re in a majority?

 

[PJD1987]

This isn’t intolerant. The picture is objectively true. If you guys are so convinced that the picture is not true why don’t you try to start a “national donate 5 dollars to the homeless” or “volunteer at a soup kitchen” day and see if it catches on as much as eating at chick fil a. I can tell you now it won’t.

Every point you make in every post is based on biased conjecture devoid of truth. There are millions of Christians and Catholics who volunteer around the country and the world every single day. The Catholic Church is the single greatest charitable organization in the world, bar none. We donate our time, treasure, and talents on a daily and weekly basis.

Everything you said is based on a skewed worldview that seeks to undermine the Truth and charity of Christians, Catholics and other religious people throughout the entire world.

For the life of me, I cannot understand where you or those who think like you are coming from. There is absolutely no truth to your baseless, demeaning, and inconsiderate hypothesis, not to mention it is uncharitable, misguided, and just flat out wrong.

I pray for you and others like you that you will see the good in the Church, what it does, and what it stands for, until then, we will continue to carry on doing the good work we do and striving to preach the Gospel in thought, word, and action.

God bless.

-Paul

 

[Debora123]

Every point you make in every post is based on biased conjecture devoid of truth. There are millions of Christians and Catholics who volunteer around the country and the world every single day. The Catholic Church is the single greatest charitable organization in the world, bar none. We donate our time, treasure, and talents on a daily and weekly basis.

Everything you said is based on a skewed worldview that seeks to undermine the Truth and charity of Christians, Catholics and other religious people throughout the entire world.

For the life of me, I cannot understand where you or those who think like you are coming from. There is absolutely no truth to your baseless, demeaning, and inconsiderate hypothesis, not to mention it is uncharitable, misguided, and just flat out wrong.

I pray for you and others like you that you will see the good in the Church, what it does, and what it stands for, until then, we will continue to carry on doing the good work we do and striving to preach the Gospel in thought, word, and action.

God bless.

-Paul

Well said!

 

[interestedman]

The statement is “you would never see this many Christians lined up at a food bank or homeless shelter.”

As I have shown with the article, the statement is false.

The difference is that is one food bank but thousands of chick fil a’s.

 

[interestedman]

So its alright to condemn someones right to free speech as long as they’re in a majority?

Condemning someone who is expressing their free speech is free speech too. I don’t see liberals saying “hey, you shouldn’t be able to say that!!!” when talking about people opposing gay marriage…but they are expressing their right to free speech by saying that it isn’t right.

 

[PJD1987]

The difference is that is one food bank but thousands of chick fil a’s.

Yes, the article covered one particular event. Logic does not follow that this is the only time Christians have ever done anything charitable, that is a preposterous argument to make. Catholics and people of all religious persuasions do charitable work and donate their time, talent, and treasure every single day, worldwide. That is a fact.

God bless.

-Paul

 

[interestedman]

Every point you make in every post is based on biased conjecture devoid of truth. There are millions of Christians and Catholics who volunteer around the country and the world every single day. The Catholic Church is the single greatest charitable organization in the world, bar none. We donate our time, treasure, and talents on a daily and weekly basis.

Everything you said is based on a skewed worldview that seeks to undermine the Truth and charity of Christians, Catholics and other religious people throughout the entire world.

For the life of me, I cannot understand where you or those who think like you are coming from. There is absolutely no truth to your baseless, demeaning, and inconsiderate hypothesis, not to mention it is uncharitable, misguided, and just flat out wrong.

I pray for you and others like you that you will see the good in the Church, what it does, and what it stands for, until then, we will continue to carry on doing the good work we do and striving to preach the Gospel in thought, word, and action.

God bless.

-Paul

I think that the church is hindered by its beliefs. I think that condoms and birth control are something that should be promoted in poor areas. I think that the church is doing a disservice to these people by telling them that condoms are a sin when aids runs rampant. My mother is an extremely devout Catholic. She goes to church every day. She is a great person. I think the church can do a lot of good but I have some fundamental disagreements with it.

 

[interestedman]

Yes, the article covered one particular event. Logic does not follow that this is the only time Christians have ever done anything charitable, that is a preposterous argument to make. Catholics and people of all religious persuasions do charitable work and donate their time, talent, and treasure every single day, worldwide. That is a fact.

God bless.

-Paul

I am sure that plenty of Christians do charitable work…most don’t though. Obviously most Christians didn’t attend chick fil a but going to chick fil a is easy, doing charitable work is not. Most of the people that attended chick fil a would not attend an hour of charitable work, and that would be the same for atheists or any other faith. Most people are lazy and getting a chicken sandwich to show your support is easy and volunteering to make or serve food for the less fortunate is a lot harder.

To be honest in my opinion this is true less because Christians don’t do charitable work but more because humans as a whole are lazy.

 

[PJD1987]

I think that the church is hindered by its beliefs. I think that condoms and birth control are something that should be promoted in poor areas. I think that the church is doing a disservice to these people by telling them that condoms are a sin when aids runs rampant. My mother is an extremely devout Catholic. She goes to church every day. She is a great person. I think the church can do a lot of good but I have some fundamental disagreements with it.

Please do not let your personal issues with the Church infiltrate your belief about the Church as a whole. Generalizing the way you have is simply inaccurate and detracts from the amazing work that the Church does around the world. Simply because you do not agree with what the Church does, it does not logically follow that therefore they do not do anything and are lazy. You may not agree and think the Church should do something different, but that does not mean the Church does nothing. I will continue to pray for you and hope you come around to understanding the Church more deeply and the love of Christ and His Truth that resides within it.

God bless.

-Paul

 

[Debora123]

The difference is that is one food bank but thousands of chick fil a’s.

I have no idea what you’re trying to say.

Once again, the statement reads “You would never see this many Christians lined up at a food bank or homeless shelter.”

The statement is obviously false.

 

[Debora123]

Condemning someone who is expressing their free speech is free speech too. I don’t see liberals saying “hey, you shouldn’t be able to say that!!!” when talking about people opposing gay marriage…but they are expressing their right to free speech by saying that it isn’t right.

They’re not only “saying that it isn’t right.”

They’re trying to say that Chick shouldn’t even be allowed to support traditional marriage in the first place.

 

[Debora123]

I am sure that plenty of Christians do charitable work…most don’t though. Obviously most Christians didn’t attend chick fil a but going to chick fil a is easy, doing charitable work is not. Most of the people that attended chick fil a would not attend an hour of charitable work, and that would be the same for atheists or any other faith. Most people are lazy and getting a chicken sandwich to show your support is easy and volunteering to make or serve food for the less fortunate is a lot harder.

To be honest in my opinion this is true less because Christians don’t do charitable work but more because humans as a whole are lazy.

People went to Chick fil A in support of their right to freedom of speech and freedom of religion. (the horror!)

What is so wrong with that?

Please, let’s be rational.

Going to Chick-fil-A on one day specifically to support a certain cause and helping the poor are not mutually exclusive. I’m still not understanding your argument.

 

[interestedman]

People went to Chick fil A in support of their right to freedom of speech and freedom of religion. (the horror!)

What is so wrong with that?

Please, let’s be rational.

Going to Chick-fil-A on one day specifically to support a certain cause and helping the poor are not mutually exclusive. I’m still not understanding your argument.

Jesus spoke about helping the poor constantly. Jesus did not mention one thing about homosexuality. Yet Christians are extremely interested in gay marriage and seem to not care about helping the poor. A whole lot of Christians that are against gay marriage talk about how programs that help the poor should be cut and that poor people are free loaders.

 

[PJD1987]

Jesus spoke about helping the poor constantly. Jesus did not mention one thing about homosexuality. Yet Christians are extremely interested in gay marriage and seem to not care about helping the poor. A whole lot of Christians that are against gay marriage talk about how programs that help the poor should be cut and that poor people are free loaders.

That is not true, sir. Please read my previous posts addressing your sweeping generalizations. You keep saying “a whole lot” and “most”, that is an inaccurate statement. We may have disagreements about HOW best to implement programs to help the poor, but no Christian is advocating NOT helping the poor. Also I’ve already stated the facts about charity and volunteerism that address your false notion about the Church and Christians. Please just stop. If you are going to make substantive argument, then fine, but do not just come with biased and false ad hominem and strawman attacks against the Church and Christians.

God bless.

-Paul

 

[pete_29]

Jesus spoke about helping the poor constantly. Jesus did not mention one thing about homosexuality. Yet Christians are extremely interested in gay marriage and seem to not care about helping the poor. A whole lot of Christians that are against gay marriage talk about how programs that help the poor should be cut and that poor people are free loaders.

So go out and feed the poor. That would be better than being on your computer criticizing people who, in some cases, probably give more to the poor than you do. I know, I’m a horrible person so I won’t bother you with my drivel anymore. :banghead:

 

[Debora123]

Jesus spoke about helping the poor constantly. Jesus did not mention one thing about homosexuality. Yet Christians are extremely interested in gay marriage and seem to not care about helping the poor. A whole lot of Christians that are against gay marriage talk about how programs that help the poor should be cut and that poor people are free loaders.

I don’t understand your response.

Are you upset that a lot of Christians went to Chick fil A to show their support for freedom of religion/speech?

What makes you think Christians don’t seem to care about helping the poor? This very thread is an article about a very recent event in which tens of thousands of Christians got together to help the poor.

Of course, there are Christians that are good people and there are Christians that are bad people - just like every other group. What in the world are you trying to say and what in the world does this have to do with chick-fil-a?

 

[Debora123]

That is not true, sir. Please read my previous posts addressing your sweeping generalizations. You keep saying “a whole lot” and “most”, that is an inaccurate statement. We may have disagreements about HOW best to implement programs to help the poor, but no Christian is advocating NOT helping the poor. Also I’ve already stated the facts about charity and volunteerism that address your false notion about the Church and Christians. Please just stop. If you are going to make substantive argument, then fine, but do not just come with biased and false ad hominem and strawman attacks against the Church and Christians.

God bless.

-Paul

So go out and feed the poor. That would be better than being on your computer criticizing people who, in some cases, probably give more to the poor than you do. I know, I’m a horrible person so I won’t bother you with my drivel anymore. :banghead:

Honestly, I’m not even understanding what exactly it is she/he is trying to say, or how it ties in to the specific topic of this thread.

 

[Marc_Anthony]

I’ve said this a few times now in the forums but I think it’s fitting here:

If you read the Social Justice forum threads on gay marriage you’ll notice that I am EXTREMELY active in these threads; I actually started two directly related to the Chick-fil-A/gay marriage controversy and started another thread on natural law indirectly related. I’ve posted a lot in threads that I DIDN’T start on the controversy (such as this thread). And I ate at Chick-fil-A today (although it was in fact unrelated to politics-I was actually just craving their chicken with everybody talking about it ).

So you may ask, why am I more concerned with gay marriage than helping the poor? Why do I focus so much on this topic instead of feeding the hungry, clothing the naked, helping the poor, et cetera?

The answer is that I’m NOT more concerned with this issue than with helping the poor. Neither are ANY of my friends who support Cathy in the controversy.

Currently a group of friends (containing some people who are as outspoken as me about the controversy, some who are MORE outspoken than me, and some who completely disagree with me and support same-sex marriage) and I are working on starting a local theater group to raise money to help teens suffering from depression, suicidal thoughts, and self-harm (sadly I know far too many people who are suffering or have suffered from these things).

They’re not poor in a literal sense of having little money but they are poor in other very real ways.

We are planning to finally schedule a meeting in person, wading through a ridiculous number of legal issues involved, contacting various charities to send money to, trying to get sponsors to support us financially, and, of course, finding a venue, buying the rights to a show which we are going to cast, direct, build a set, work a stage crew, rehearse (a lot) and eventually, after all of this is done, HOPEFULLY be ready for a show next summer.

Sound easy? Well it’s not. Rehearsing and performing the show is the EASY part.

Do you know what I’ve done about the gay marriage controversy? Written about it to people I’ve never met online in a Catholic forum and ate at a fast food restaurant.

That’s all.

This is all I have to say about the subject.