Christianity and Chick-fil-A

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Who is trying to take away free speech? I have yet to see anyone on either side of the issue say that free speech should be limited.
chicagophoenix.com/2012/08/02/the-civil-rights-agenda-files-several-complaints-against-chick-fil-a/
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[Cathy said],"We are a family-owned business, a family-led business, and we are married to our first wives. We give God thanks for that,” Cathy said in the Baptist Press July 16. He said he was “guilty as charged” for supporting “the biblical definition of the family unit.”

His comments make LGBT people, a protected minority class, feel “unwelcome, objectionable or unacceptable” at Chick-fil-A restaurants, or “public accommodations” under Section 5-102(B) of the Illinois Human Rights Act, Martinez said.**
 
its rather obvious that Christians in America today are far more likely to get horrified, animated and charged up over something related to taxes or gays than they are to get horrified animated and charged up about poverty.
 
its rather obvious that Christians in America today are far more likely to get charged up and animated about gays than they are to get charged up and animated about poverty.
 
That’s probably true, but the nature of the two issues are completely different and thus require different types of responses. It’s a false dichotomy though to suggest that that we care about one over the other. We care about both, but the responses to both issues are simply different.

God bless.

-Paul
 
Did you miss the 3-4 mayors of major US cities who threw out thinly veiled threats towards Chick-fil-a that they were not welcome in their cities. Or the (unrelated to Chick-fil-a) militant atheist groups that sue every time a religious symbol is put up anywhere. The President’s HHS Mandate that refuses to acknowledge the Catholic Church and other believers 1st Amendment rights of freedom of religion.

Chick-fil-a was about a lot more than just Chick-fil-a, it was a statement about freedom of speech, religion, and conscience and the fact that many people have had enough of being labeled backwards bigots and having their thoughts, beliefs, and expressions dismissed and marginalized simply because of their Christianity.

God bless,
Paul
“Militant atheist groups” don’t sue people for having religious symbols in their homes or private businesses. They sue people for putting religious symbols in government buildings and the like because it is inappropriate to have religious symbols in places like that.

And those mayors that said Chick Fil A is not welcome in their city are using their right to free speech to say that. Chick fil a certainly could try to go into their cities and the mayors wouldn’t really be able to do anything about it, but they probably wouldn’t do too well to be honest.

Unfortunately for you guys gay marriage is going to be legalized nationally in the next 10 to 15 years.

fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/04/20/gay-marriage-opponents-now-in-minority/

Just look at the graph in this article. In 1988 about 10% of people supported gay marriage and 75% opposed it. People that support gay marriage has steadily gone up and people that oppose it have steadily gone down over the past 25 years enough that people that support gay marriage are now the majority…and it is doubtful that that trend is going to end. Gay marriage is happening and there is nothing you can do about it.
 
“Militant atheist groups” don’t sue people for having religious symbols in their homes or private businesses. They sue people for putting religious symbols in government buildings and the like because it is inappropriate to have religious symbols in places like that.

And those mayors that said Chick Fil A is not welcome in their city are using their right to free speech to say that. Chick fil a certainly could try to go into their cities and the mayors wouldn’t really be able to do anything about it, but they probably wouldn’t do too well to be honest.

Unfortunately for you guys gay marriage is going to be legalized nationally in the next 10 to 15 years.

fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/04/20/gay-marriage-opponents-now-in-minority/

Just look at the graph in this article. In 1988 about 10% of people supported gay marriage and 75% opposed it. People that support gay marriage has steadily gone up and people that oppose it have steadily gone down over the past 25 years enough that people that support gay marriage are now the majority…and it is doubtful that that trend is going to end. Gay marriage is happening and there is nothing you can do about it.
Well that may be true, but it is simply conjecture. Not to mention I trust the New York Times about as much as I trust you to dictate and define what true Christianity and charity are. There are 29 of the 50 states with marriage defined as one man and one woman, of the 28 states where it has come up for a vote all 28 have passed. The most recent North Carolina vote was 61%-39%, not even close. Despite what people are saying in polls, which have been demonstrated to be inaccurate anyway, when it comes down to voting, it seems traditional marriage still has the support. Additionally, 12 other states have laws that effectively do the same thing, so thats a total of 41 of the 50 states that define marriage as between one man and one woman. So despite these growing numbers in support of same sex marriage, the evidence continues to hold traditional marriage as the norm as voted on by the people.

That may change in the future yes, but I firmly believe this far left pendulum swing is ebbing. You may disagree, but that’s what opinions are for. Furthermore, even if man does decree that “same sex marriage” is lawful, it does not make it correct or just or true.

As far as the atheistic agenda goes, their entire proposal is based on an extra-constitutional interpretation of what the actual document says. This warped sense of the 1st Amendment is dreadful and simply is not what the founders had in mind, activist judges and court systems have emblazoned a false impression on the uninformed public that does not accurately reflect the laws of our nation, and has effectively changed them to the detriment of freedom of speech and freedom of religion.

As far as the mayors threats, I conceded the point that those threats had no teeth. The fact of the matter is that it’s irrelevant whether they did or not. The point is that we live in a secularized environment where people feel comfortable issuing such a threat with impunity. This intimidation factor cannot be dismissed simply due to its impracticality of actually being enforced. The issue runs much deeper than that.

Again, I don’t expect my points to be making any impression upon you, but whether you agree or disagree, they are valid points.

God bless.

-Paul
 
And those mayors that said Chick Fil A is not welcome in their city are using their right to free speech to say that.

They ARE the government and that is specifically NOT their right. It is the PEOPLE whose rights are protected FROM the government.

Chick fil a certainly could try to go into their cities and the mayors wouldn’t really be able to do anything about it.

That is correct. It is up to the public to decide whether or not they want to spend their dollars at Chick fil A or elsewhere.

but they probably wouldn’t do too well to be honest.

If historical performance is a reasonable predictor of future performance, they would likely be a huge success. Where did you buy your crystal ball?
 
Jesus spoke about helping the poor constantly. Jesus did not mention one thing about homosexuality. Yet Christians are extremely interested in gay marriage and seem to not care about helping the poor. A whole lot of Christians that are against gay marriage talk about how programs that help the poor should be cut and that poor people are free loaders.
What can we say my friend! As Gandhi said:

“I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.”
 
What can we say my friend! As Gandhi said:

“I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.”
This quote doesnt apply to you though, because youve stated that you believe Christ to be of bad character in another thread.

Secondly, why arent you out there helping the poor yourself instead of being in your comfortable chair, with the AC on, chatting away on the internet? Thousands of Catholic organizations are helping, what are you doing?
 
Jesus spoke about helping the poor constantly. Jesus did not mention one thing about homosexuality. Yet Christians are extremely interested in gay marriage and seem to not care about helping the poor. A whole lot of Christians that are against gay marriage talk about how programs that help the poor should be cut and that poor people are free loaders.
Jesus upheld the entire moral law that included proscriptions regarding homosexual acts.
 
What can we say my friend! As Gandhi said:

“I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.”
And Gandhi was known for his moral rectitude? I think recent scholarship sheds new light on his “practices”.
 
This quote doesnt apply to you though, because youve stated that you believe Christ to be of bad character in another thread.

Secondly, why arent you out there helping the poor yourself instead of being in your comfortable chair, with the AC on, chatting away on the internet? Thousands of Catholic organizations are helping, what are you doing?
Where did I say that Jesus is a bad character? Please post it now.
I don’t consider him to be the best characters but of course I never said that he is bad.

On the contrary, I like a lot of his teachings in the Bible, if you start by reading my first post in other threads , you’ll see that what I said about Jesus is the opposite of what you’re claiming.

And why you assume I am not helping? I am a volunteer in two well known charitable organizations.

Why even bother replying with that much anger ?
 
And why you assume I am not helping? I am a volunteer in two well known charitable organizations.

Why even bother replying with that much anger ?
Then why do you assume that the people buying sandwiches at Chick Fil A are also not volunteers in charitable organizations as well?

What anger? Im just being straight forward.
 
Where did I say that Jesus is a bad character? Please post it now.
I don’t consider him to be the best characters but of course I never said that he is bad.

On the contrary, I like a lot of his teachings in the Bible, if you start by reading my first post in other threads , you’ll see that what I said about Jesus is the opposite of what you’re claiming.

And why you assume I am not helping? I am a volunteer in two well known charitable organizations.

Why even bother replying with that much anger ?
:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl: This is such a joke! Yep! No hatred in your heart! WOW!!!
 
And Gandhi was known for his moral rectitude? I think recent scholarship sheds new light on his “practices”.
Gandi’s morality has nothing to do with the quote to be honest.
 
Then why do you assume that the people buying sandwiches at Chick Fil A are also not volunteers in charitable organizations as well?

What anger? Im just being straight forward.
Your reply was like this:
This quote doesnt apply to you though, because youve stated that you believe Christ to be of bad character in another thread.

Secondly, why arent you out there helping the poor yourself instead of being in your comfortable chair, with the AC on, chatting away on the internet? Thousands of Catholic organizations are helping, what are you doing?
Seems like anger, I might be wrong in feeling that way.

I didn’t assume anything about people who buy sandwiches.
 
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