Christianity and Kundalini

[LDNCatholic]

I am mostly a reader and not much of a joiner, but I want to comment on this one.

I’m honoured.

I think that this is just a small example of a larger problem. Why are more people leaving our Church than are coming into it. Because we are too uptight.

I’m not willing to loosen my morals or beliefs so as to accommodate others within the faith. Regardless, it is not up to me to do so even if I wanted to. That is the stance of the Church.

“not merely a harmless word” This word doesn’t threaten your faith does it? Does it offend you?

It doesn’t threaten my faith, no. It does represent a creeping threat of relativism to The Faith. Why on Earth should pagan terms and philosophy creep into the Catholic Faith? Is it not sufficient? Does it need an existential suggestion box?

Is it that impossible to us who know we are members of the Church started by God himself to believe that the Holy Spirit is at work in everybody in this world?

Nope

Just because they call it something different, doesn’t mean it isn’t the Holy Spirit. Just because they describe it using terms like *chakras, * doesn’t mean it isn’t there and they just can’t understand it.

And just because you say it is the Holy Spirit, doesn’t mean it is. God the Holy Spirit, the Second person of the Holy Trinity, is not reduced to ‘‘chakras’’ just waiting to be ‘‘opened up’’. If these are such powerful manifestations of the Holy Spirit, then why oh why aren’t these people being led to the Catholic Church? Why have people left the Catholic Church after dabbling in these Pagan practices if it is truly God the Holy Spirit manifesting in them? And I don’t mean offence by the term Pagan, I am referring to the Vedic origins of Yoga and the Polytheistic beliefs of Hinduism, which, being non Monotheistic and non Abrahamic, are the very definition of Pagan.

On a different note… Exactly which gifts of the Holy Spirit are no longer valid?
Pax Christi,
Jon

That is not my area of expertise I’m afraid. Look up some of the threads here on glossolalia and the Catholic Church. It is where I first encountered the idea and you will be able to read in much more detail than I would be able to give.

 

[Monica4316]

What is demonic? We are Christians it is very difficult to understand something in another language and culture. The Hindu religion has been around much longer than our own. To attempt to grasp it on our terms would take years of study. All I have tried to suggest here is the similarity between this Hindu word and the Christian holy spirit. Obviously they are not manifested the same between two different cultures and religions. But as all of creation is of God I do not think that it is impossible for the holy spirit to exist for non christians and obviously they would not use the same name. I had an experience that would fit with both examples. The bible refereances many times the preparation of the bride(soul) to unite in the bridal chamber with her husband(holy spirit). Before there is a process of purification of the soul. Kundalini is this process in the Hindu religion. This term is not nessacery in christianity. But this forum is about kundalini and I have no problem with learning and appreciating other religions. I practiced unconditional love without falter and all of a sudden something changed. It was a very huge physical and mental cleansing. You loose everyting that seperates you from god. You also gain a deep repect for all of creation. Trivial things in life loose there meaning and you truly trust in god at all times. I see Christ in everyone and treat people with a deeper respect and love than ever before. This is nothing more than surrender of your ego and will to the holy spirit. The process can be hard because we have so much fear, materialism, and self importance to shed.

God can act through anything, so I can’t judge your experience, but that doesn’t make kundalini valid. There are people who have become possessed through it.

If what you experienced was God’s presence and then He cleansed you, - that could be God, but make sure you look at the fruit… did it bring you closer to Him and away from sin? did you feel peace afterwards (not just during)? did you have a greater desire to love Him and not sin? etc. There are ways to discern, but that is up to a spiritual director.

But kundalini is something else. kundalini is awakening a “snake” “goddess” energy at the base of your spine… that does not sound Christian at all. Here’s more info on what it is…
saint-mike.org/qa/sw/viewanswer.asp?QID=1154

God bless

 

[Monica4316]

A real practitioner of kundalini yoga will freely tell you that 1) it is extremely dangerous if you or your teacher does not know what they are doing, and 2) it requires serious commitment.

Yoga - of which kundalini is one branch - is not an exercise program. It is a type of highly specific spiritual practice that developed within the Hindu tradition. Now it has been adapted in various ways by New Age practitioners. Either way, it cannot - especially in forms such as kundalini - be separated from specific religious beliefs which are contrary to Catholicism. I believe it would be a violation of the first commandment for a Catholic to practice it.

I agree…

 

[jps23430]

I’m honoured.

I’m not willing to loosen my morals or beliefs so as to accommodate others within the faith. Regardless, it is not up to me to do so even if I wanted to. That is the stance of the Church.

It doesn’t threaten my faith, no. It does represent a creeping threat of relativism to The Faith. Why on Earth should pagan terms and philosophy creep into the Catholic Faith? Is it not sufficient? Does it need an existential suggestion box?

Nope

And just because you say it is the Holy Spirit, doesn’t mean it is. God the Holy Spirit, the Second person of the Holy Trinity, is not reduced to ‘‘chakras’’ just waiting to be ‘‘opened up’’. If these are such powerful manifestations of the Holy Spirit, then why oh why aren’t these people being led to the Catholic Church? Why have people left the Catholic Church after dabbling in these Pagan practices if it is truly God the Holy Spirit manifesting in them? And I don’t mean offence by the term Pagan, I am referring to the Vedic origins of Yoga and the Polytheistic beliefs of Hinduism, which, being non Monotheistic and non Abrahamic, are the very definition of Pagan.

That is not my area of expertise I’m afraid. Look up some of the threads here on glossolalia and the Catholic Church. It is where I first encountered the idea and you will be able to read in much more detail than I would be able to give.

Sorry for quoting your whole thread, I am not an expert at using this forum and do not know how to partially quote. I think I see why you feel the way you do. I don’t believe I am loosening my morals or beliefs by trying to understand and embrace a concept before shutting it out and any who would talk about it. What is the stance of the Church? that kundalini and chakras aren’t valid? Ok. Isn’t it also the stance of the Church to be receptive and accepting of everybody? As a Catholic, It is not my goal in life to just build up other Catholics and shut everybody else out. Knowing that I am a member of the Body of Christ is such a wonderful and heartening feeling that I want to share it with everybody. I do this by listening and trying to understand the points of view and experiences of others. If I attack them and tell them they are wrong or demonic, how receptive will they be to my help or guidance or thoughts. How does it represent a creeping relativism? I saw no evidence of people trying to insert pagan terms into the Catholic faith. I only saw somebody trying to make sense of something using different scary words. Spreading the good news is done most effectively by first listening. This is evidenced most clearly by Jesus himself, who, if I remember correctly, didn’t eat meals with just other believers.

Second thought. Forgive me before for speaking in rhetoric. There are no gifts of the Holy Spirit which are no longer valid. I was trying to make a point and should have said so flat out instead of being a smart alec.

Pax Christi
Jon

 

[LDNCatholic]

Sorry for quoting your whole thread, I am not an expert at using this forum and do not know how to partially quote.

I have no idea if there’s an easier way but I cut and paste the

boxes around what I want to quote.

I think I see why you feel the way you do. I don’t believe I am loosening my morals or beliefs by trying to understand and embrace a concept before shutting it out and any who would talk about it. What is the stance of the Church? that kundalini and chakras aren’t valid? Ok. Isn’t it also the stance of the Church to be receptive and accepting of everybody?

Receptive and accepting in what way? Certainly not to the point of accepting syncreticism. Tolerance of others beliefs is one thing, syncreticism is entirely another.
jps23430;7719837:

As a Catholic, It is not my goal in life to just build up other Catholics and shut everybody else out. Knowing that I am a member of the Body of Christ is such a wonderful and heartening feeling that I want to share it with everybody. I do this by listening and trying to understand the points of view and experiences of others. If I attack them and tell them they are wrong or demonic, how receptive will they be to my help or guidance or thoughts.

What if they are wrong? What if what they are doing is demonic? How far should you go in an attempt to be open and understanding? Have you heard of the works of mercy? Among the Spiritual Works of Mercy are the following:

Admonish (warn or reprimand) sinners

Instruct the ignorant

By sitting there and accepting everything they have to say, you may be helping them down the wrong road.

How does it represent a creeping relativism? I saw no evidence of people trying to insert pagan terms into the Catholic faith. I only saw somebody trying to make sense of something using different scary

words.

Don’t try to BS me with the sarcastic talk about scary words. I likely understand Hindu theology and philosophy a great deal better than you do. I am not afraid of those words, I just find them at best useless within the context of Catholic spirituality. In your first post in reply to me you suggested that these could be just other words for God the Holy Spirit, I dismissed them as an attempt to introduce pagan terminology into the Catholic faith.

Spreading the good news is done most effectively by first listening. This is evidenced most clearly by Jesus himself, who, if I remember correctly, didn’t eat meals with just other believers.

He didn’t accept their pagan practices either. What happens once the listening is done?

Second thought. Forgive me before for speaking in rhetoric. There are no gifts of the Holy Spirit which are no longer valid. I was trying to make a point and should have said so flat out instead of being a smart alec.

If you say so.

 

[LDNCatholic]

As a Catholic, It is not my goal in life to just build up other Catholics and shut everybody else out. Knowing that I am a member of the Body of Christ is such a wonderful and heartening feeling that I want to share it with everybody.

Another point, surely the best way for them to experience this is to become members of the Body of Christ themselves.

 

[jps23430]

I have no idea if there’s an easier way but I cut and paste the

boxes around what I want to quote.

 

[LDNCatholic]

I had to look up syncretism before I replied. I will try to use it in a sentence tomorrow. That is not what I am trying to do. I believe that they are wrong.

Good stuff.

Whether it is demonic, I don’t and probably won’t ever know.

I look for the experts on these matters. If prominent exorcists have linked it to demonology, they probably know better than either of us.

But telling somebody they are wrong without listening or explanation short of “the Church says so” rarely gets through to the non-believer.

How often does accepting and validating their experiences work?

Before you take exception with that statement, consider the fact that you told me you likely understand theology and hindu spirituality a great deal better than me, who you don’t know, and have only read a post of mine. Rushing to judgement even in small matters deters people and negates our purpose.

Like when you insinuated I was afraid of the words Chakra and Kundalini, based only on your knowledge that I disagree with them being used within Catholic spirituality. Gotcha.

I know you meant no offense and none was taken. As far as what happens once the listening is done, we can’t know if we don’t listen first.
Pax Christi,
Jon

Wonderful. As long as you don’t merely stop at listening. I’m glad you took no offence. It is now nearly 5am here. I am going to attempt to fix my horribly disrupted sleeping patterns so hopefully we will be able to continue this discussion tomorrow, when I may be less belligerent. Good night and God bless.

Peter

 

[JimR-OCDS]

I think this is completely OPPOSITE of Christianity. It’s likely it’s demonic and I’ve heard of people getting possessed through kundalini yoga. I think… stay away.

Its not demonic in itself and because there are people that became possessed, doesn’t mean its demonic.

There are also Catholics, even priest, who have become demonically possessed as well. We wouldn’t give up Catholicism because of this fact.

That being said, the problem with Kundalini is that it is not Christ Centered.

Anything that is not Christ Centered should be rejected by Christians.

Jim

 

[RosalieM]

Kundalini practice has its roots in history B.C., before Christ.

The awakening of the kundalini or opening the third eye is definitely dangerous. According to a Hindu guru I knew, the heart chakra should be opened first by concentrating on that chakra while meditating.
Reportedly, when the third eye is open, one can see past, present and future – and one can go mad. The practice can’t be reconciled with Christianity as it has nothing whatsoever to do with the divinity of Jesus Christ who by his death and resurrection has redeemed the world. Why go to ancient practices that include a bloodthirsty history of human sacrifice (to Kali) and cruel concepts regarding humanity (i.e., caste, bad reincarnations) if you don’t have to? In other words, if you weren’t born into another faith, why go backwards to before Christ in history? In that view, Christ is considered as just another “avatar” along with Krishna, Buddha and a number of “Sri” Hindu men and a few women who reach “God-realization”, which is the ultimate goal of Yoga. Yoga means union with God. We are united with Jesus Christ when we receive him in Communion. His sacrifice has given us this ultimate gift.

I’m not disputing anyone else’s faith. I believe simply that those outside Christianity are missing out on the fullness of faith. I spent many years on an eastern meditation path before returning to the Church.

I love our Catholic faith. One can experience inner consolations in the most dire of circumstances and receive gifts and graces. While it may be tempting to try other colorful practices; it’s best to be steadfast and explore the faith to ever deepening levels. If we live to be 100, we couldn’t scratch the surface of the treasures available to us in Christianity.

 

[edowitz1]

Roman Catholic Doctrine Vs. The Doctrinal Teaching of the Word of God

Eternal life is a merited reward [1821, 2010]. - Roman Catholicism
Eternal life is the free gift of God (Romans 6:23)

No one can know if he will attain eternal life [1036, 2005] - Roman Catholicism
The believer can know that he has eternal life by the Word of God (1 John 5:13)

The Roman Catholic Church is necessary for salvation [846]. - Roman Catholicism
There is salvation in no one but the Lord Jesus Christ, “for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men, by which we must be saved” (Acts 4:12)

Purgatory is necessary to atone for sin and clean the soul [1030-1031]. - Roman Catholicism
Purgatory does not exist. Jesus made purification for sins on the cross (Hebrews 1:3)

Mary was preserved from all stain of original sin from the first instant of her conception (the doctrine of the Immaculate Conception) [490-492].
Mary, a descendant of Adam, was born in sin (Psalm 51:5; Romans 5:12)

Mary is the Mother of the Church [963, 975]. - Roman Catholicism
Mary was the earthly mother of Jesus ( John 2:1)

The Magisterium is the authoritative teacher of the Church. [85-87]. - Roman Catholicism
The Holy Spirit is the authoritative teacher of the church (John 14:26; John 16:13, I John 2:27)

The pope, as the Bishop of Rome, is the successor of Peter [882, 936] - Roman Catholicism
Peter had no successor, nor was he a pope.

The pope is infallible in his authoritative teaching [891]. - Roman Catholicism
God alone is infallible (Numbers 23:19)

Scripture and Tradition together are the Word of God [81, 85, 97, 182]. - Roman Catholicism
Scripture is the Word of God (John 10:35, 2 Timothy 3:15-17, 2 Peter 1:20-21). Tradition is the words of men (Mark 7:1-13).

The sacrificial work of redemption is continually carried out through the Sacrifice of the Mass. [1364,1405, 1846]. - Roman Catholicism
The sacrificial work of redemption was finished when Christ gave His life for us on the cross (Ephesians 1:7, Hebrews 1:3).

God desires that consecrated bread and wine be worshiped as divine. [1378-1381] - Roman Catholicism
God forbids the worship of any object, even t hose intended to represent Him (Exodus 20:4-5, Isaiah 42:8)

Justification is lost through mortal sin [1033, 1855, 1874] - Roman Catholicism
Justification cannot be lost. Those whom God justifies will be saved from the wrath of God (Romans 5:8-9).

Justification is furthered by sacraments and good works [1212, 1392, 2010] - Roman Catholicism
Justification is the imputation of the perfect righteousness of God (2 Corinthians 5:21). In Christ the believer has been made complete (Colossians 2:10).

Salvation is attained by cooperating with grace through faith, good works, and participation in the sacraments [183, 1129, 1815, 2002]. - Roman Catholicism
Salvation is attained by grace through faith apart from works (Ephesians 2:8-9). Good works are the result, not the cause, of salvation (Ephesians 2:10).

Mary, “the All-Holy,” lived a perfectly sinless life [411, 493]. - Roman Catholicism
Mary was a sinner; God alone is sinless (Luke 18:19, Romans 3:23, Revelation 15:4).

Mary was a virgin before, during, and after the birth of Christ [496-511]. - Roman Catholicism
Mary remained a virgin until after the birth of Jesus (Matthew 1:25). Later she had other children (Matthew 13:55-56, Psalm 69:8).

Each Sacrifice of the Mass appeases God’s wrath against sin [1371, 1414]. - Roman Catholicism
The once-for-all sacrifice of the cross fully appeased God’s wrath against sin. (Hebrews 10:12-18).

The Bishops, with the Pope, as their head, rule the universal church. [883, 894-896]. - Roman Catholicism
Christ, the head of the body is the Head of the Church. (Colossians 1:18).

The faithful receive the benefits of the cross in fullest measure through the Sacrifice of the Mass [1366, 1407]. - Roman Catholicism
Believers receive the benefits of the cross in fullest measure in Christ through faith (Ephesians 1:3-14).

God has exalted Mary in heavenly glory as Queen of Heaven and Earth [966]. She is to be praised with special devotion [971, 2675]. - Roman Catholicism
The name of the Lord is to be praised, for He alone is exalted above heaven and earth (Psalm 148:13). God commands, “You shall have no other gods before Me.” (Exodus 20:3).

Mary is the co-mediator to whom we can entrust all our cares and petitions 9 968-970, 2677] - Roman Catholicism
Christ Jesus is the one mediator to whom we can entrust all our cares and petitions (1 Timothy 2:5, John 14:13-14, 1 Peter 5:7).

Mary is the co-redeemer, for she participate with Christ in the painful act of redemption [618, 964, 968, 970]. - Roman Catholicism
Christ alone is the Redeemer, for He alone suffered and died for sin (1 Peter 1:18-19).

The sacrifice of the cross is perpetuated in the Sacrifice of the Mass [1323, 1382] - Roman Catholicism
The Sacrifice of the cross is finished (John 19:30).

Indulgences dispensed by the Church for acts of piety release sinners from temporal punishment [1471-1473]. - Roman Catholicism
Jesus releases believers from their sins by His blood. (Revelation 1:5).

The Magisterium has the right to define truth found only obscurely or implicitly in revelation. [66, 88, 2035, 2051]. - Roman Catholicism
No one has the right to go beyond what is written in Scripture (1 Corinthians 4:6, Proverbs 30:5-6).

Scripture and Tradition together are the Church’s supreme role of faith [80, 82]. - Roman Catholicism
Scripture is the church’s rule of faith (Mark 7:7-13, 2 Timothy 3:16-17).

 

[Mary_Jessica]

Kundalini practice has its roots in history B.C., before Christ.

The awakening of the kundalini or opening the third eye is definitely dangerous. According to a Hindu guru I knew, the heart chakra should be opened first by concentrating on that chakra while meditating.
Reportedly, when the third eye is open, one can see past, present and future – and one can go mad. The practice can’t be reconciled with Christianity as it has nothing whatsoever to do with the divinity of Jesus Christ who by his death and resurrection has redeemed the world. Why go to ancient practices that include a bloodthirsty history of human sacrifice (to Kali) and cruel concepts regarding humanity (i.e., caste, bad reincarnations) if you don’t have to? In other words, if you weren’t born into another faith, why go backwards to before Christ in history? In that view, Christ is considered as just another “avatar” along with Krishna, Buddha and a number of “Sri” Hindu men and a few women who reach “God-realization”, which is the ultimate goal of Yoga. Yoga means union with God. We are united with Jesus Christ when we receive him in Communion. His sacrifice has given us this ultimate gift.

I’m not disputing anyone else’s faith. I believe simply that those outside Christianity are missing out on the fullness of faith. I spent many years on an eastern meditation path before returning to the Church.

I love our Catholic faith. One can experience inner consolations in the most dire of circumstances and receive gifts and graces. While it may be tempting to try other colorful practices; it’s best to be steadfast and explore the faith to ever deepening levels. If we live to be 100, we couldn’t scratch the surface of the treasures available to us in Christianity.

 

[Mary_Jessica]

i completely agree with you. I never once since posting on this thread suggested that anyone should integrate Hindu practices into the church. This thread is about kundalini so I am discussing the topic. I love the catholic faith. I also enjoy learning about other cultures and thier spiritual practices. I do not believe in or follow them. I simply think that knowledge and understanding is important not just as a Christian, but as a human. We are living in a time when profound spiritual awakenings are becoming more common. The manifestation of these awakenings are very similar regardless of religion or culture. The church is not as accessible as it could be on this topic, not because of the teaching of the church, but the fear and close-mindedness of it’s followers. When a catholic is awestruck by the amazing force of God has a life changing experience how will we handle it? Will we suggest they are possessed by deamons? When they surf the Internet will they find catholic references to explain these occurances? This is the reality of the world we live in today. This is important to me because I am a catholic and when I began to have symptoms of an awakening I had no where to turn amongst my fellow Catholics. The closet description I could find was kundalini awakening. This was a foreign term to me. I do not practice it but at least instead of being afraid and clueless I understood what was happening. Finally after trying to understand this in the terms of my own faith there were answers there as well not from people, but the bible, catechism, and books on saints experiances. The experiance I had was not kundalini but similar. I was just a catholic who after attempting to practice unconditional love had a spiritual awakening and now I love the church even more.

 

[3DOCTORS]

A good spiritual director who is strong in the Catholic Faith can be of so much help with all kinds of life and spiritual experiences. For example, when my scrupulosity was at its worst I benefited from the counsel of a priest experienced in that area.

That was an order priest and the order changed its mission and left my hometown. So now there are just the parish priests to turn to, and they’re good priests but they are so busy with so many things running their parishes.

I think we need to pray for good vocations and solid training so that there will be priests who can help people deal with whatever comes along.

Maybe the Kundalini thing is actually a physiological phenomenon not well understood. I’m not an expert, I’ve only seen a little bit of information about it and have one friend who may experience something like it, I’m not sure. I’d say the symbolism and structure that the Hindu religion uses to categorize it wouldn’t be appropriate for a Catholic. But maybe there is some need for some priests who are experts in unusual phenomena to be able to guide someone who experiences this so it doesn’t conflict with their faith or threaten their mental health or anything like that. :twocents:

 

[RosalieM]

i completely agree with you. I never once since posting on this thread suggested that anyone should integrate Hindu practices into the church. This thread is about kundalini so I am discussing the topic. I love the catholic faith. I also enjoy learning about other cultures and thier spiritual practices. I do not believe in or follow them. I simply think that knowledge and understanding is important not just as a Christian, but as a human. We are living in a time when profound spiritual awakenings are becoming more common. The manifestation of these awakenings are very similar regardless of religion or culture. The church is not as accessible as it could be on this topic, not because of the teaching of the church, but the fear and close-mindedness of it’s followers. When a catholic is awestruck by the amazing force of God has a life changing experience how will we handle it? Will we suggest they are possessed by deamons? When they surf the Internet will they find catholic references to explain these occurances? This is the reality of the world we live in today. This is important to me because I am a catholic and when I began to have symptoms of an awakening I had no where to turn amongst my fellow Catholics. The closet description I could find was kundalini awakening. This was a foreign term to me. I do not practice it but at least instead of being afraid and clueless I understood what was happening. Finally after trying to understand this in the terms of my own faith there were answers there as well not from people, but the bible, catechism, and books on saints experiances. The experiance I had was not kundalini but similar. I was just a catholic who after attempting to practice unconditional love had a spiritual awakening and now I love the church even more.

Also, I might add it’s good to keep in mind that there are spiritual experiences we really can’t tell most, if any others about. We have to keep some things in our hearts. I believe these things will come out in how we relate to our brothers and sisters, without our needing them to understand what we’ve experienced.

 

[Monica4316]

Its not demonic in itself and because there are people that became possessed, doesn’t mean its demonic.

There are also Catholics, even priest, who have become demonically possessed as well. We wouldn’t give up Catholicism because of this fact.

That being said, the problem with Kundalini is that it is not Christ Centered.

Anything that is not Christ Centered should be rejected by Christians.

Jim

I agree that anything not Christ Centered should be rejected…

but I don’t really understand the point about priests, etc, I mean they didn’t get possessed through something Catholic.

Kundalini practice has its roots in history B.C., before Christ.

The awakening of the kundalini or opening the third eye is definitely dangerous. According to a Hindu guru I knew, the heart chakra should be opened first by concentrating on that chakra while meditating.
Reportedly, when the third eye is open, one can see past, present and future – and one can go mad. The practice can’t be reconciled with Christianity as it has nothing whatsoever to do with the divinity of Jesus Christ who by his death and resurrection has redeemed the world. Why go to ancient practices that include a bloodthirsty history of human sacrifice (to Kali) and cruel concepts regarding humanity (i.e., caste, bad reincarnations) if you don’t have to? In other words, if you weren’t born into another faith, why go backwards to before Christ in history? In that view, Christ is considered as just another “avatar” along with Krishna, Buddha and a number of “Sri” Hindu men and a few women who reach “God-realization”, which is the ultimate goal of Yoga. Yoga means union with God. We are united with Jesus Christ when we receive him in Communion. His sacrifice has given us this ultimate gift.

I’m not disputing anyone else’s faith. I believe simply that those outside Christianity are missing out on the fullness of faith. I spent many years on an eastern meditation path before returning to the Church.

I love our Catholic faith. One can experience inner consolations in the most dire of circumstances and receive gifts and graces. While it may be tempting to try other colorful practices; it’s best to be steadfast and explore the faith to ever deepening levels. If we live to be 100, we couldn’t scratch the surface of the treasures available to us in Christianity.

I agree with you…

this reminds me of something in the Scriptures. I can’t remember what chapter this is in, but there was a woman who could tell the future, or had some similar ability… and then she kept on saying that Christ is the Son of God. He commanded a demon to come out of her, and then she no longer had this ability to tell the future. This shows that there are many powers that people might have that might not originate from God. That is why we must test the spirits. The Holy Spirit certainly does a lot of miraculous things, - for example in Christ’s life, everything that Jesus did was by the Holy Spirit. He can heal people, cast out demons, prophesy, etc. But the miracles that God does are always real and have a true purpose to them. The false “miracles” of the devil are usually based on appearances - for example not real healings, but the appearance of a healing. There are some “powers” that people in Hinduism or other religions have, that we don’t know where they are from, so it’s best to just stay to Christianity and where we know the Holy Spirit is.

God bless

 

[Mary_Jessica]

A good spiritual director who is strong in the Catholic Faith can be of so much help with all kinds of life and spiritual experiences. For example, when my scrupulosity was at its worst I benefited from the counsel of a priest experienced in that area.

That was an order priest and the order changed its mission and left my hometown. So now there are just the parish priests to turn to, and they’re good priests but they are so busy with so many things running their parishes.

I think we need to pray for good vocations and solid training so that there will be priests who can help people deal with whatever comes along.

Maybe the Kundalini thing is actually a physiological phenomenon not well understood. I’m not an expert, I’ve only seen a little bit of information about it and have one friend who may experience something like it, I’m not sure. I’d say the symbolism and structure that the Hindu religion uses to categorize it wouldn’t be appropriate for a Catholic.
But maybe there is some need for some priests who are experts in unusual phenomena

to be able to guide someone who experiences this so it doesn’t conflict with thefaith or threaten their mental health or anything like that. :twocents:

Thank you very much for your advise:)

 

[Mary_Jessica]

That is true. Some paths do give more responsibility to the person.
Mystical expereiances are not of much value. They can be distracting and lead to illusion. Life in and of itself is beautiful enough. Sometimes were are made to see this and learn to live it in our every action. That is hard because every action we take has meaning. From handling an dissagreement with your friend or killing an ant.

 

[OrdinaryMelkite]

I have read and known of many people who became possesed and controlled by demonic entities (and/or “false gods”) by engaging in kundalini-chakra work.

I know what I’m about to say may be humorously dismissed but here it goes------

The Kundalini force that lies dormant in your chakra system can be awakened in your back and is almost always generally described as being like a SNAKE. So you are awakening a SNAKE in your back----------

1. What does that remind one of? Hint-----garden and naked people in it.
2. Snakes are almost always (rightly or wrongly) associated with “guess who.”
   And just evil in general.
   So why mess with something that has such obvious “bad symbolism?”

I’m saying this as a former New Ager/Pagan.

Never tried it but I know enough about it to confidently state it is Demonic in origin. Plus, as others have pointed put, totally opposed to Church teaching.

 

[OrdinaryMelkite]

I agree that anything not Christ Centered should be rejected…

but I don’t really understand the point about priests, etc, I mean they didn’t get possessed through something Catholic.

I agree with you…

this reminds me of something in the Scriptures. I can’t remember what chapter this is in, but there was a woman who could tell the future, or had some similar ability… and then she kept on saying that Christ is the Son of God. He commanded a demon to come out of her, and then she no longer had this ability to tell the future. This shows that there are many powers that people might have that might not originate from God. That is why we must test the spirits. The Holy Spirit certainly does a lot of miraculous things, - for example in Christ’s life, everything that Jesus did was by the Holy Spirit. He can heal people, cast out demons, prophesy, etc. But the miracles that God does are always real and have a true purpose to them. The false “miracles” of the devil are usually based on appearances - for example not real healings, but the appearance of a healing. There are some “powers” that people in Hinduism or other religions have, that we don’t know where they are from, so it’s best to just stay to Christianity and where we know the Holy Spirit is.

God bless

It’s actually Paul you are referencing. It’s in the Acts of the Apostles. The woman was a psuchic and made her living telling fortunes through her “channeled entity.” She started following Paul and other Apostles around loudly procaliming her belief in their abilities. finally Paul turned around and commanded her entity/demonic spirit to come out of her—and it did. Good cautionary tale about “channeling,” that is.