Christianity is Munchausen Syndrome by Proxy

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PRmerger said:
Is your point that Christianity proclaims that “all humans are inherently bad”?

If so, then you have been operating under a grave misapprehension, Roscoe.

That is not the teaching of Christianity. At least, not Catholicism.
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Does that mean, yes? You think that all humans are bad or inherently flawed.

I never made any claim about all humans. Just asked for clarification on your point.
 
Roscoe_Turner said:
For clarification, Is your point that this broken human proves all humans are inherently bad?
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Original sin is being “inherently bad” in the way of having a broken leg (or being born without a second leg) is “inherently bad”. It is a reduction of our nature as such. It is a reduced state or condition that includes certain disorders, like concupiscence. It precludes certain possibilities, just as being born without legs would -of itself, and without an intervention of some kind (e.g. technological or miraculous)- preclude being a track and field runner. Original sin is why we need to be “born again” to spiritual life.

Notwithstanding, the poster’s point is clear enough: human beings are not only quite capable of doing the wrong thing but often even do the wrong thing. This begs the question as to why that is.

Moreover, we all wrestle with temptations and have to overcome them. Hopefully we are disciplined and habituate ourselves to doing what is right and good; but this requires great effort and, even for all of that effort, the real limits of our nature are never overcome: new temptations arise and remain a possibility. Indeed, even being virtuous can generate new kinds of temptation, such as pride or hubris. Absolute freedom from this condition can thus naturally become a rational desire though it requires normally a great deal of reflection and contemplation to see it: most men would think themselves content with perpetual health and wealth, for example, though upon investigation it becomes clear that, while that would be fine indeed so far as it goes, it would not remove the possibilities of envy, jealousy, miserliness, hatreds, lusts, etc. Indeed, it could increase these dangers and the heartaches, regrets and so on that goes with it.
 
Roscoe_Turner said:
Is your point that one bad apple spoils the bunch? I’m just trying to figure out your point.

Something along the lines of if one person is mentally ill then we all must be in part?
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No. My point is that all one needs to do is look at us, as a society, or individually, and know that we are not as we should be.

Surely you can see that, yes?
 
1AugustSon7 said:
Original sin is being “inherently bad” in the way of having a broken leg (or being born without a second leg) is “inherently bad”. It is a reduction of our nature as such. It is a reduced state or condition that includes certain disorders, like concupiscence. It precludes certain possibilities, just as being born without legs would -of itself, and without an intervention of some kind (e.g. technological or miraculous)- preclude being a track and field runner. Original sin is why we need to be “born again” to spiritual life.
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This is what the theorizer was saying about Christianity. We are told there is something inherently flawed about you and we have the cure. Without it you are damned. He found the premise of original sin flawed. “Have you held and infant and thought what a flawed individual?” So the rest was faulty. He likened it to MSbP.
 
PRmerger said:
No. My point is that all one needs to do is look at us, as a society, or individually, and know that we are not as we should be.

Surely you can see that, yes?
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I think there are portions of our society that work against themselves but as a whole we seem to be progressing.
 
Roscoe_Turner said:
This is what the theorizer was saying about Christianity. We are told there is something inherently flawed about you and we have the cure. Without it you are damned. He found the premise of original sin flawed. “Have you held and infant and thought what a flawed individual?” So the rest was faulty. He likened it to MSbP.
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I child is born in absolute ignorance and entirely dependent upon others to survive.
 
Roscoe_Turner said:
Fear mostly.
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LOL!

People are mentally ill because of “fear mostly”?
People work against what’s good because of “fear mostly”?
People abuse, lie, cheat, steal, murder, yell, gamble, use meth, murder, rape, hide their Halloween candy, try go get attention in outrageous ways, snort cocaine, throw football games, pretend they have a girlfriend who’s dying of cancer, mutilate their bodies, picket at dead soldier’s funerals…because of “fear mostly”?

Truly, this is your response to the Christian paradigm?

You really think your “fear mostly” is a better answer than, “We are inherently flawed and need redemption”?

😃
 
PRmerger said:
LOL!

People are mentally ill because of “fear mostly”?
People work against what’s good because of “fear mostly”?
People abuse, lie, cheat, steal, murder, yell, gamble, use meth, murder, rape, hide their Halloween candy, try go get attention in outrageous ways, snort cocaine, throw football games, pretend they have a girlfriend who’s dying of cancer, mutilate their bodies, picket at dead soldier’s funerals…because of “fear mostly”?

Truly, this is your response to the Christian paradigm?

You really think your “fear mostly” is a better answer than, “We are inherently flawed and need redemption”?

😃
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Mental illness, no.

Mental illness can cause some of the things listed, some are are reaction to fear. Trying to alleviate the fear, the bad behavior provides comfort against the fear but doesn’t solve it.
 
Roscoe_Turner said:
Mental illness, no.

Mental illness can cause some of the things listed, some are are reaction to fear. Trying to alleviate the fear, the bad behavior provides comfort against the fear but doesn’t solve it.
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So then why are we mentally ill? :confused:
 
Roscoe_Turner said:
Mental illness, no.

Mental illness can cause some of the things listed, some are are reaction to fear. Trying to alleviate the fear, the bad behavior provides comfort against the fear but doesn’t solve it.
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So “some” of the flawed behavior comes from fear. What is your explanation for the rest?
 
**Roscoe

I think the usual explanations are structural or chemical abnormalities. **

Yes, as in the case of the tainted apples offered to Adam and Eve. 😃
 
PRmerger said:
So “some” of the flawed behavior comes from fear. What is your explanation for the rest?
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Mental illness and/or fear cover most. I haven’t gone through an extensive list.

The reason why there are abnormalities, environmental causes are usually cited.
 
Roscoe_Turner said:
Mental illness and/or fear cover most. I haven’t gone through an extensive list.

The reason why there are abnormalities, environmental causes are usually cited.
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So we are flawed. Environment and humanity ought to be able to coexist harmoniously, without aberrations occurring. That there are abnormalities is testament that the Christian paradigm is true.

You have no other coherent explanation.
 
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