Christianity the only way to salvation?

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I think Jesus will use the same requirement that he used when he descended to hell to preach to the imprisoned.

Millions have lived and died without hearing of the Gospel.
 
Think about the native indians of the Americas that have lived and died here after Jesus ascended and before knowledge of Christianity was brought to them.
Think about those who perished in the time of Noah, who did not know about God.

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1 Peter 3

18 For Christ also suffered once for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive by the Spirit, 19 by whom also He went and preached to the spirits in prison, 20 who formerly were disobedient, when once the Divine longsuffering waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight souls, were saved through water.

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Man is guilty because of their sin.

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Romans 1

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 19 because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. 20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, 21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Professing to be wise, they became fools, 23 and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man—and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things.
24 Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, 25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.

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I can think of Native americans, and have sympathy for the unsaved, but just because we feel a sympathy for them does not mean God’s judgement will be different. Man can not declare himself righteous. Only God can do that.
 
Christ is the only way. Anyone who is saved, past, present and future, was/is/will be saved by Jesus Christ!
 
Christ is the only way. Anyone who is saved, past, present and future, was/is/will be saved by Jesus Christ!
Well, if he is going to save me, he’s going to have to do it without my belief in him.
 
Why, if a person is pursuing their relationship with God in ways that do not involve acknkowleding Jesus, would God condem them to hell? It seems a bit arbitrary to me.

Because I am a Jew and because I am following God’s laws the way I believe He wants me to follow them, He would condem me to hell?
Is this true, you have kept God’s law? So you have kept the commandments God gave through Moses?

Have you ever lied? Have you ever stolen? Have you ever coveted? You have never used God’s name in vein.

This is what you are claiming, that you keep God’s law.
When I am davening and I expereince a closeness to God or when I have my own personal revealation in which God’s presence stamps itself on my bones, all this is for naught because the experience of being with God did not come about by a belief in Jesus?
Is this really what Cahtolics or christian demoniations believe?
I am not catholic, but as for me, as much as I try to keep the law on my own, I have failed. If God is judging based on the law given through Moses, I am for sure guilty !!.

How are your sins washed today, where is the temple sacrifice and the daily priset offering that God gave you to wash away sin. If you do not have that, how are you cleased. When did the temple sacrifice stop?

Unless you are perfect? does time forgive sin?

Where The lamb’s blood that allowed death to “Passover” you? Christ’s blood was shed on the cross, He is the lamb of God, His blood was poured on the cross so that death could “Passover” you.

God has been crying out to His Israel for a long time, to repent. Turn from your sins

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Isaiah 53
1 Who has believed our report?
And to whom has the arm of the LORD been revealed?
2 For He shall grow up before Him as a tender plant,
And as a root out of dry ground.
He has no form or comeliness;
And when we see Him,
There is no beauty that we should desire Him.
3 He is despised and rejected by men,
A Man of sorrows and acquainted with grief.
And we hid, as it were, our faces from Him;
He was despised, and we did not esteem Him.
4 Surely He has borne our griefs
And carried our sorrows;
Yet we esteemed Him stricken,
Smitten by God, and afflicted.
5 But He was wounded for our transgressions,
He was bruised for our iniquities;
The chastisement for our peace was upon Him,
And by His stripes we are healed.
6 All we like sheep have gone astray;
We have turned, every one, to his own way;
And the LORD has laid on Him the iniquity of us all.
7 He was oppressed and He was afflicted,
Yet He opened not His mouth;
He was led as a lamb to the slaughter,
And as a sheep before its shearers is silent,
So He opened not His mouth.
8 He was taken from prison and from judgment,
And who will declare His generation?
For He was cut off from the land of the living;
For the transgressions of My people He was stricken.
9 And they made His grave with the wicked—
But with the rich at His death,
Because He had done no violence,
Nor was any deceit in His mouth.
10 Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise Him;
He has put Him to grief.
When You make His soul an offering for sin,
He shall see His seed, He shall prolong His days,
And the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in His hand.
11 He shall see the labor of His soul,and be satisfied.
By His knowledge My righteous Servant shall justify many,
For He shall bear their iniquities.
12 Therefore I will divide Him a portion with the great,
And He shall divide the spoil with the strong,
Because He poured out His soul unto death,
And He was numbered with the transgressors,
And He bore the sin of many,
And made intercession for the transgressors.

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God has fullfilled the above prophecy by sending His Son, Jesus to die on the cross in your place. Repent and believe in the only Son of God, Jesus Christ.
 
Is this true, you have kept God’s law? So you have kept the commandments God gave through Moses?

Have you ever lied? Have you ever stolen? Have you ever coveted? You have never used God’s name in vein.

This is what you are claiming, that you keep God’s law.
Failing to keep a mitzvot is not a failure to keep the covenant with God. When you ask for forgivness and then sin again, have you abandoned Jesus?
Where The lamb’s blood that allowed death to “Passover” you? Christ’s blood was shed on the cross, He is the lamb of God, His blood was poured on the cross so that death could “Passover” you.
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Are you trying to convince me to stop practicing judaism? It’s not working.
 
Failing to keep a mitzvot is not a failure to keep the covenant with God. When you ask for forgivness and then sin again, have you abandoned Jesus?
The Lord see’s your heart. Did God abdadon David when he commited adultery, murder, covetting. God did not leave him, he discplined him, because he saw his heart was truely repentful. Psalm 51 shows this. A person who is right with God, takes positive actions to remove all the sin in his life. Those under grace who stumble may be discplined like a loving Father does with His children, but he never stops being his father.

Those who constantly sin and use forgiveness as an excuse are hypocrites. You cannot fool God.
Are you trying to convince me to stop practicing judaism? It’s not working.
No, I am not trying to convince you to stop anything, but to believe in the Messiah who God promised you.

I will pray for you.
 
Valke2,

I don’t think any person has the ability to convert another person, it is the Holy Spirit’s work to make conversions. The fact that you are Jewish and are on a strong Catholic site is evidence to me that the Holy Spirit is working on your heart to see and come to the truth that Jesus is Savior and God. Yet, of course, I realize you will not agree. 🙂

My prayers are with you during your journey, truly. 🙂
 
The Lord see’s your heart. Did God abdadon David when he commited adultery, murder, covetting. God did not leave him, he discplined him, because he saw his heart was truely repentful. Psalm 51 shows this. A person who is right with God, takes positive actions to remove all the sin in his life. Those under grace who stumble may be discplined like a loving Father does with His children, but he never stops being his father.
Exactly. ANd those who have a covenant with God and fail to keep a mitvot/commandment are not abandoned by God.
 
Valke2,

I don’t think any person has the ability to convert another person, it is the Holy Spirit’s work to make conversions. The fact that you are Jewish and are on a strong Catholic site is evidence to me that the Holy Spirit is working on your heart to see and come to the truth that Jesus is Savior and God. Yet, of course, I realize you will not agree. 🙂

My prayers are with you during your journey, truly. 🙂
Actually, I’m on the non-Catholic Religion portion. And I’m here because, quite frankly, there’s more discussion on Judaism here than there is in Jewish chat on Yahoo. Thank you for your prayers.
 
I was a Baptist once upon a time and the questions of those who were A) never told of Christ and/or B) were exposed to the Gospel of Christ by a negative representation (I think this was the case with Gandhi) or C) couldn’t find reason or movement to embrace the Christ perplexed me. I since was lead to the Catholic Church and Praise be to God for the Wisdom given to the Catholic Church! Katholicos posted what gave me great peace. So I wondered how does one recon these things with Jesus saying that He is the Gate and that no one goes to the Father, but through him? Thankfully, the wisdom of the years revealed the state of purgation to the CHurch Fathers. Jesus is the Word incarnate. This Word is the Truth spoken by God in creation and continues as long as man exists. He says to honor Him by loving your neighbor, forgiving all, feeding and clothing the poor, standing up for the oppressed, giving life, and the list can go on and on. So looking at Gandhi and the Native Americans and all who truelly seek what is good and do these things naturally, they live by God’s commands “instinctively” out of the desire deep within their hearts during their life. At the passing, we all will see the Word and realize that He is what we have desired deep in our hearts and will either know the Word by Name or be introduced. Also at this time will be the remorse for the times we have fallen and desired something else and the shame of following it, but the Love God has and we have will overcome, cause us to let go of any selfishness, and purge us so we may look upon Him Who is perfect Truth and Grace and stand in His presence. (This could also lead us to torment for those who were consumed in totally intentionally rejecting the Truth in their hearts and sought after their own selfish path, which leads them to hate what will then be revealed to them. But that’s another subject.) However, as Christians are told we have an obligation to tell others of the Christ and not withhold.

Peace
 
Hi,
If you read the book of John that pretty much sums it up for me.😃
I have read the book of John.🙂

I think that you were referring to Valke when you said that you knew someone didn’t believe in the NT not Catholics.
 
I was a Baptist once upon a time and the questions of those who were A) never told of Christ and/or B) were exposed to the Gospel of Christ by a negative representation (I think this was the case with Gandhi) or C) couldn’t find reason or movement to embrace the Christ perplexed me. I since was lead to the Catholic Church and Praise be to God for the Wisdom given to the Catholic Church! Katholicos posted what gave me great peace. So I wondered how does one recon these things with Jesus saying that He is the Gate and that no one goes to the Father, but through him? Thankfully, the wisdom of the years revealed the state of purgation to the CHurch Fathers. Jesus is the Word incarnate. This Word is the Truth spoken by God in creation and continues as long as man exists. He says to honor Him by loving your neighbor, forgiving all, feeding and clothing the poor, standing up for the oppressed, giving life, and the list can go on and on. So looking at Gandhi and the Native Americans and all who truelly seek what is good and do these things naturally, they live by God’s commands “instinctively” out of the desire deep within their hearts during their life. At the passing, we all will see the Word and realize that He is what we have desired deep in our hearts and will either know the Word by Name or be introduced. Also at this time will be the remorse for the times we have fallen and desired something else and the shame of following it, but the Love God has and we have will overcome, cause us to let go of any selfishness, and purge us so we may look upon Him Who is perfect Truth and Grace and stand in His presence. (This could also lead us to torment for those who were consumed in totally intentionally rejecting the Truth in their hearts and sought after their own selfish path, which leads them to hate what will then be revealed to them. But that’s another subject.) However, as Christians are told we have an obligation to tell others of the Christ and not withhold.

Peace
Very beautiful!
 
Think about those who perished in the time of Noah, who did not know about God.

**But we don’t know what happened to those souls who perished, do we? **

1 Peter 3

18 For Christ also suffered once for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive by the Spirit, 19 by whom also He went and preached to the spirits in prison, 20 who formerly were disobedient, when once the Divine longsuffering waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight souls, were saved through water
.

I am uncertain that this means that everysingle person who died during the flood-if it was an actual historical event- went to hell.

Man is guilty because of their sin.

Romans 1

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 19 because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. 20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse
, 21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Professing to be wise, they became fools, 23 and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man—and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things.
24 Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, 25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.

I can think of Native americans, and have sympathy for the unsaved, but just because we feel a sympathy for them does not mean God’s judgement will be different. Man can not declare himself righteous. Only God can do that.
Yes, but God very well might have saved the Native Americans. We do not know.

My own opinion is that if Native American individuals were following God’s laws to the best of their ability then they were indeed saved. Their salvation would still come from Jesus.

Do you believe that those who haven’t had an opportunity to learn about God have no chance at salvation?
 
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