Christianity the only way to salvation?

[rbarcia]

But we don’t know what happened to those souls who perished, do we?

I am uncertain that this means that everysingle person who died during the flood-if it was an actual historical event- went to hell.

So you are unsure that the flood was an actual event?

Peter believed that the flood was real:

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2 Peter 3

5 For this they willfully forget: that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of water and in the water, 6 by which the world that then existed perished, being flooded with water. 7 But the heavens and the earth which are now preserved by the same word, are reserved for fire until the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

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Peter’s word seems to indicate that only 8 were saved. What else could he have meant?

Yes, but God very well might have saved the Native Americans. We do not know.

My own opinion is that if Native American individuals were following God’s laws to the best of their ability then they were indeed saved. Their salvation would still come from Jesus.

The point is it is based on opinion. How can someone be saved through Christ without knowing Christ.

Paul is clear that the knowledge of the creator is in all of us and the hearts of those that do not acknowledge a creator will be darkened to all kinds of depravities.

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Romans 1

20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, 21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Professing to be wise, they became fools, 23 and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man—and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things.

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You can do some research to find there beliefs are rooted in nature and things like “mother nature” instead of “Father Creator” are rooted in native american. There is also idol worship evidence in these tribes, something that if you read through prophets like Isaiah and Jeramiah, God detests.

Do you believe that those who haven’t had an opportunity to learn about God have no chance at salvation?

I am not the judge, the Bible is clear the Christ is the only way to salvation. By stating another way means you are going against the Bible. You cannot accept Christ without knowing Christ. You speak of some implicit metaphoric way of accepting Christ without submitting to His Lordship.

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Acts 2:36

36 “Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ.”**

You can try to live by His principles, and you will fail. Without submission to Christ there is no grace. It is my opinion, that God is a just judge and will judge all according to His standard, and finds a way to get the gospel to those who will repent and accept it. You can have sympathy for lost unsaved souls, that should motivate you to preach the gospel even more urgently to those who are living.

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1 Cor 1:18

18 For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.

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[ALLFORHIM]

I have read the book of John.

I think that you were referring to Valke when you said that you knew someone didn’t believe in the NT not Catholics.

Yes I was:thumbsup:

 

[ALLFORHIM]

Yes, but God very well might have saved the Native Americans. We do not know.

My own opinion is that if Native American individuals were following God’s laws to the best of their ability then they were indeed saved. Their salvation would still come from Jesus.

Do you believe that those who haven’t had an opportunity to learn about God have no chance at salvation?

Hi Deb,
The Native Americans could have been saved but it would have meant God somehow drawing them to the truth about Him, which was entirely possible. Well find out in heaven If God wants to save someone who is in a remote place where other people have not been then He will put someone there to preach the Gospel(at least by today’s standards) In the past without all of the communication stuff we have, God would have to divinely appear to people in some form, maybe dreams, visions, I dont know but I do believe He would do this. He did it in biblical times and Im sure He did it after the bible was finished and Im sure He is still doing it today:thumbsup: People can only believe because God chose them too.
So who are we to say that just because another human did not reach them to preach the Gospel, they still were not directly spoken to by God himself. We cant because we truly have no idea. Only God knows His plan for humanity

 

[Daniel_Marsh]

I seem to remember that missionaries to native americans claimed that Jesus appeared to the native americans long before we landed. Does anyone know of any web sites about this?

 

[gallo]

I seem to remember that missionaries to native americans claimed that Jesus appeared to the native americans long before we landed. Does anyone know of any web sites about this?

I think that comes from mormon beliefs if I’m not mistaken.

 

[deb1]

So you are unsure that the flood was an actual event?

Just to be clear on this point. I am neither certain nor uncertain that the flood occurred. Whether it was a historical event or not has absolutely no bearing on my faith in Christ.

 

[rbarcia]

Just to be clear on this point. I am neither certain nor uncertain that the flood occurred. Whether it was a historical event or not has absolutely no bearing on my faith in Christ.

You have to be either certain, or uncertain. Uncertain is not denial, just unsure, which you are.

Well, Noah and Adam were actual people, as recorded in Luke 2:23-38 traces Jesus Genology back to them.

Jesus Himself, spoke of the flood, if you believe in Him, do you doubt His Words?

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Mat 24

37 But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 38 For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, 39 and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be.

Luke 17

25 But first He must suffer many things and be rejected by this generation. 26 And as it was in the days of Noah, so it will be also in the days of the Son of Man: 27 They ate, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all.

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The writer of Hebrews believed in Noah’s flood

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Hebrews 11

7 By faith Noah, being divinely warned of things not yet seen, moved with godly fear, prepared an ark for the saving of his household, by which he condemned the world and became heir of the righteousness which is according to faith.

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Peter, who catholics claim to be the first Pope, believed the flood was an actual event:

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1 Peter 3:20

20 who formerly were disobedient, when once the Divine longsuffering waited[a] in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight souls, were saved through water.

2 Peter 2

4 For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment; 5 and did not spare the ancient world, but saved Noah, one of eight people, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood on the world of the ungodly; 6 and turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah into ashes, condemned them to destruction, making them an example to those who afterward would live ungodly;

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To deny the flood is to doubt what Jesus, the writer of Hebrews, and Peter said.

 

[deb1]

You have to be either certain, or uncertain. Uncertain is not denial, just unsure, which you are.

Well, Noah and Adam were actual people, as recorded in Luke 2:23-38 traces Jesus Genology back to them.

Jesus Himself, spoke of the flood, if you believe in Him, do you doubt His Words?

Mat 24

37 But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 38 For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, 39 and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be.

Luke 17

25 But first He must suffer many things and be rejected by this generation. 26 And as it was in the days of Noah, so it will be also in the days of the Son of Man: 27 They ate, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all.

The writer of Hebrews believed in Noah’s flood

Hebrews 11

7 By faith Noah, being divinely warned of things not yet seen, moved with godly fear, prepared an ark for the saving of his household, by which he condemned the world and became heir of the righteousness which is according to faith.

Peter, who catholics claim to be the first Pope, believed the flood was an actual event:

1 Peter 3:20

20 who formerly were disobedient, when once the Divine longsuffering waited[a] in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight souls, were saved through water.

2 Peter 2

4 For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment; 5 and did not spare the ancient world, but saved Noah, one of eight people, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood on the world of the ungodly; 6 and turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah into ashes, condemned them to destruction, making them an example to those who afterward would live ungodly;

To deny the flood is to doubt what Jesus, the writer of Hebrews, and Peter said.

As you know, such a topic as you are begining would derail this thread. Start another thread if you wish to discuss the flood. It would be disrespectful to the OP if you and I change topics.