Christians Urged to Boycott Glenn Beck

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Last week, the conservative broadcaster Glenn Beck called on Christians to leave their churches if they heard any preaching about social or economic justice because, he claimed, those were slogans affiliated with Nazism and Communism.
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This week, the Rev. Jim Wallis, a liberal evangelical leader in Washington, D.C., called on Christians to leave Glenn Beck.

“What he has said attacks the very heart of our Christian faith, and Christians should no longer watch his show,” Mr. Wallis, who heads the antipoverty group Sojourners, wrote on his “God’s Politics” blog. “His show should now be in the same category as Howard Stern.”

Mr. Beck, in vilifying churches that promote “social justice,” managed to insult just about every mainline Protestant, Roman Catholic, African-American, Hispanic and Asian congregation in the country — not to mention plenty of evangelical ones.

Even Mormon scholars in Mr. Beck’s own church, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, said in interviews that Mr. Beck seemed ignorant of just how central social justice teaching was to Mormonism.
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Mormons for Equality and Social Justice.
 
I don’t know who Glenn Beck is.

I’ll just ignore him instead of boycotting him.
 
Well, Beck isn’t totally wrong.

“Economic Justice” is a slogan of Communism. Have we forgotten about Karl Marx and his notion of the “haves” and the “have nots?” The only way for the “have nots” to overcome their position is to revolt and overthrow the “haves.”

“Equality” can only exist in Communism. Anyone who truly understands Capitalism, Socialism, or for that matter, ANY formal and organized legal system, would know that these three things cannot produce equality. In fact, by their very nature, capitalism, socialism and law produce, promote, and require inequality if they are to continue to exist.

The only way to view people who want “total equality” is as anarchists. These people cannot, under any circumstances, achieve a world of “equality” AND leave a standing, formal legal system in their wake.

Why? Sociologists (and others) have identified three “dysfunctions of law.” The first is that law (of all types) produces inequality, simple huh? The second is that law imposes the morality of the majority upon the minority, that doesn’t sound very “equal” to me. The third is just that law makes things more complicated then they should be, which is irrelevant to this conversation.

So you see, when an ecclesial body begins to harp about “economic equality,” the only thing they can be logically be pursuing is communism, as nothing else can allow for “equality.”

Don’t count Beck out just yet.
 
dnu said:
Well, Beck isn’t totally wrong.

“Economic Justice” is a slogan of Communism. Have we forgotten about Karl Marx and his notion of the “haves” and the “have nots?” The only way for the “have nots” to overcome their position is to revolt and overthrow the “haves.”

“Equality” can only exist in Communism. Anyone who truly understands Capitalism, Socialism, or for that matter, ANY formal and organized legal system, would know that these three things cannot produce equality. In fact, by their very nature, capitalism, socialism and law produce, promote, and require inequality if they are to continue to exist.

The only way to view people who want “total equality” is as anarchists. These people cannot, under any circumstances, achieve a world of “equality” AND leave a standing, formal legal system in their wake.

Why? Sociologists (and others) have identified three “dysfunctions of law.” The first is that law (of all types) produces inequality, simple huh? The second is that law imposes the morality of the majority upon the minority, that doesn’t sound very “equal” to me. The third is just that law makes things more complicated then they should be, which is irrelevant to this conversation.

So you see, when an ecclesial body begins to harp about “economic equality,” the only thing they can be logically be pursuing is communism, as nothing else can allow for “equality.”

Don’t count Beck out just yet.
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Beck is an abject enemy of good Americans and I would never support him in any case so I am glad to hear that Christians are now boycotting him which they should have from the word go.
 
Proallen said:
Beck is an abject enemy of good Americans and I would never support him in any case so I am glad to hear that Christians are now boycotting him which they should have from the word go.
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:clapping: I’m glad too.
 
dnu said:
Well, Beck isn’t totally wrong.

“Economic Justice” is a slogan of Communism. Have we forgotten about Karl Marx and his notion of the “haves” and the “have nots?” The only way for the “have nots” to overcome their position is to revolt and overthrow the “haves.”

“Equality” can only exist in Communism. Anyone who truly understands Capitalism, Socialism, or for that matter, ANY formal and organized legal system, would know that these three things cannot produce equality. In fact, by their very nature, capitalism, socialism and law produce, promote, and require inequality if they are to continue to exist.

The only way to view people who want “total equality” is as anarchists. These people cannot, under any circumstances, achieve a world of “equality” AND leave a standing, formal legal system in their wake.

Why? Sociologists (and others) have identified three “dysfunctions of law.” The first is that law (of all types) produces inequality, simple huh? The second is that law imposes the morality of the majority upon the minority, that doesn’t sound very “equal” to me. The third is just that law makes things more complicated then they should be, which is irrelevant to this conversation.

So you see, when an ecclesial body begins to harp about “economic equality,” the only thing they can be logically be pursuing is communism, as nothing else can allow for “equality.”

Don’t count Beck out just yet.
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👍 ablsolutely agree on this issue. And I always don’t agree with Glen. But the whole idea of social equality is wrong as expalined above.

Please show me any church body that is socially equal? We are One Equal only as beleivers in Christ. I am not saying that we shouldn’t help our fellow man. if we can afford it, we absolutely should.

Please show me any scriptural reference that shows social equality.

Now I do have to say that the law should be for all not the few. but unfortunatly we live here on a earth full of corruptable people who will use, manupulate, and corrupt the law to there advantage.

I believe bad character cannot be correct by mans law.
 
dnu said:
Well, Beck isn’t totally wrong.

“Economic Justice” is a slogan of Communism.
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It’s also a value that the current Pope has promoted. I suggest you read his encyclical Caritas in veritate.

It’s a terrible mistake to assume that the values of either the right or the left are Christian. I’m not aware of God having given his blessing to any economic system in particular, and the system of governance that most closely resembles God’s is absolute monarchy.

It’s very dangerous to confuse political opinion with religion. Both capitalism and communism can be Christian, but both need significant modification to be compatible with Christian values.

ETA : Oh, and Glenn Beck is at best a complete loon, at worst a power-mad demagogue.
 
IS GLENN BECK ANTI-CHRISTIAN?

Catholic League president Bill Donohue weighs in on the flap over Glenn Beck’s comment that people should leave their church if it is promoting “social justice”:

Glenn Beck has been slammed all week for his flip remark, and some have accused him of being anti-Christian. Let’s examine what he said.
Beck said that “social justice” and “economic justice” are “code words.” Of course they are: they are code for economic redistribution. “Pro-life” is also a code word—it means anti-abortion. For the record, the Catholic Church embraces both a social justice and pro-life position. It is pro-union, believes in universal health care, promotes a “preferential option for the poor,” and is opposed to abortion, assisted suicide and embryonic stem cell research.
Many are hammering Beck for saying, “Am I advising people to leave their church? Yes!” A closer read of what he said shows he followed that quip with, “If I am going to Jeremiah Wright’s church. If you have a priest that is pushing social justice, go find another parish.”
Beck didn’t say Christians should abandon their religion. He recommended shopping around to find a more conservative parish if one is dissatisfied with hearing left-wing sermons. Nothing new about that. In the Catholic Church, there are priests who are stridently left-wing and stridently right-wing; many parishioners shop accordingly. Protestants shop by leaving one denomination for another. And so on.
Some of those who have criticized Beck have done so in a sincere way. Others are just phonies. Just yesterday, we dealt with an issue which is far more serious than a sarcastic remark—we called out a radical feminist leader for branding pro-life Catholic congressman Bart Stupak “un-American.” And the day before we protested news stories accusing the bishops of “polluting” the health care debate. But we heard nothing from the social justice crowd about these matters. Wonder why.

Susan A. Fani
Director of Communications
Catholic League for Religious and Civil Rights
 
Mickey said:
IS GLENN BECK ANTI-CHRISTIAN?

Catholic League president Bill Donohue weighs in on the flap over Glenn Beck’s comment that people should leave their church if it is promoting “social justice”:

Glenn Beck has been slammed all week for his flip remark, and some have accused him of being anti-Christian. Let’s examine what he said.
Beck said that “social justice” and “economic justice” are “code words.” Of course they are: they are code for economic redistribution. “Pro-life” is also a code word—it means anti-abortion. For the record, the Catholic Church embraces both a social justice and pro-life position. It is pro-union, believes in universal health care, promotes a “preferential option for the poor,” and is opposed to abortion, assisted suicide and embryonic stem cell research.
Many are hammering Beck for saying, “Am I advising people to leave their church? Yes!” A closer read of what he said shows he followed that quip with, “If I am going to Jeremiah Wright’s church. If you have a priest that is pushing social justice, go find another parish.”
Beck didn’t say Christians should abandon their religion. He recommended shopping around to find a more conservative parish if one is dissatisfied with hearing left-wing sermons. Nothing new about that. In the Catholic Church, there are priests who are stridently left-wing and stridently right-wing; many parishioners shop accordingly. Protestants shop by leaving one denomination for another. And so on.
Some of those who have criticized Beck have done so in a sincere way. Others are just phonies. Just yesterday, we dealt with an issue which is far more serious than a sarcastic remark—we called out a radical feminist leader for branding pro-life Catholic congressman Bart Stupak “un-American.” And the day before we protested news stories accusing the bishops of “polluting” the health care debate. But we heard nothing from the social justice crowd about these matters. Wonder why.

Susan A. Fani
Director of Communications
Catholic League for Religious and Civil Rights
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I’ve always placed very little emphasis on Bill Donohue. Almost as little as I do on Glenn Beck. But I sure wish in my area nowadays I could find one of those parishes or priests pushing social justice they’re talkin about. But I signed the petition notifying Mr. Beck of my Christian status today.
 
Catholics should follow official church doctrine on social justice.

The error of liberation theology is that it takes a part of gospel and makes a praxis out of it, but it also reflects class struggle and demonizing people who need incentives to work more productively and intelligently.

People who work more productively and intelligently also live in alot more stress. My friend was sharing with me how many executives they know who are literally dropping dead at 50 to 55.

There is no perfect world here. Christ came to offer us new life in His kingdom. The Church does have preferential option for the poor, the poor help us not to be selfish. But our government has misappropriated so much tax payers dollars and there has been a tremendous amount of abuse as well regarding welfare.

I think Beck is referring to the abuse of welfare more than anything.
 
Thank you for your suggestion but I will always follow Christ first.
 
Palaeologos said:
It’s a terrible mistake to assume that the values of either the right or the left are Christian. I’m not aware of God having given his blessing to any economic system in particular, and the system of governance that most closely resembles God’s is absolute monarchy.
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Amen to that. The Church, both individually and corporately, is called to love and serve its neighbor. Good Christians disagree on the best economic models that can be used toward this end. Some think capitalism, some think socialism. The virtues of any system can be debated outside the context of religion. To bring theological doctrine into the mix is an egregious confusion of the two kingdoms.
 
KathleenGee said:
The error of liberation theology is that it takes a part of gospel and makes a praxis out of it, but it also reflects class struggle and demonizing people who need incentives to work more productively and intelligently.
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Just like any heresy, it’s an over-emphasis on one point of orthodox teaching. Arianism emphasizes the humanity of Christ to the detriment of his divinity, while Docetism makes the opposite error.
 
TriuneUnity said:
Amen to that. The Church, both individually and corporately, is called to love and serve its neighbor. Good Christians disagree on the best economic models that can be used toward this end. Some think capitalism, some think socialism. The virtues of any system can be debated outside the context of religion. To bring theological doctrine into the mix is an egregious confusion of the two kingdoms.
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Well said! The important thing is that we are looking after our neighbor, not ‘by which economic model.’
 
Grace & Peace!
Palaeologos said:
It’s a terrible mistake to assume that the values of either the right or the left are Christian.
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I agree whole-heartedly. The whole debate between right and left is a distraction and is, fundamentally, diabolical–that is, it sows seeds of discord which can only end in violence. This is the way of anything that separates people into Us-Them groupings.

Moreover, it has often struck me that both the right and the left have a fundamental problem with perspective leading to a pernicious utopianism on either end–the right locating the utopia in an imagined past that it attempts to foist on the present, and the left in locating the utopia in an imagined progressive future by which it ignores the present entirely. Both are destructive.

Under the Mercy,
Mark

All is Grace and Mercy! Deo Gratias!
 
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