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AJV
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What I want to know is how “O Holy Night” features in so many services. The highly dramatic “Faaall on your kneee’s” perhaps?
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chotock
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Midnight Mass was spectacular. We had Lessons and Carols before hand, the choir and chamber orchestra were fantastic. The Bishop presided over the Mass of course, assisted by the Three Monsignors (we have 3 monsignors residing at the Cathedral these days, they are quite a little group to encounter), some 4 or 5 seminarians and our Deacon. The Cantor was a wonderful soprano, and the lector was easily understood. Lots of incense, proper psalm and even an unaltered Agnus Dei (in English).
Bishop Finn’s homily was very nice, and he always does a great Eucharist (even though he is a monotone, I just accept it and rejoice that we have him as Bishop). We had the bells and smells, as they say.
It was a wonderful cap to a rich day, having attended the Fourth Sunday of Advent Mass that morning at Good Counsel (wonderful conservative parish with a fantastic priest).
Bishop Finn’s homily was very nice, and he always does a great Eucharist (even though he is a monotone, I just accept it and rejoice that we have him as Bishop). We had the bells and smells, as they say.
It was a wonderful cap to a rich day, having attended the Fourth Sunday of Advent Mass that morning at Good Counsel (wonderful conservative parish with a fantastic priest).
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Go back to post 17.
Who is to say that writing to those people hasn’t already been done?
Actually, the only action I have seen taken was when a poster told of video taping the abuses and sending them on. Letters aren’t cutting it.
I know for sure that 2000 letters went to the Vatican about the TLM in Detroit. It took five years and our Cardinal’s five year meeting with the Pope to get it for us.
One letter isn’t going to cut it. I’m sure that the Vatican gets hundreds.
In the meantime, better to vent here than in the parishes. It won’t do anything but make a person a pariah. I know, I lived it.
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AlexV
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Letters do, indeed, mean very little in some circumstances.
In one instance, I know of someone with documentation (video, audio) whose complaints (against a bishop) went unheeded until 5 years and the bishop’s retirement.
Of course there are stories of people who succeed with liturgical complaints. But they can be matched by twice as many failure stories.
Look at that diocese in California named after a citrus fruit. A liturgical laughing stock. Nothing has been done, and, I suspect, nothing will be.
What CAN be done, relatively easily, ironically, is fixing individual lives. I had great personal success writing to the Pontifical Commission Ecclesia Dei, and Bishop Rifan (imagine, Bishop Rifan was willing to write a personal letter of reply, and then another, and then another, while my local ordinary was next to impossible to hear back from, let alone meet.)
Happily, I am now inscribed in the Personal Apostolic Administration of St. John Vianney, and Bishop Rifan is my bishop.
In one instance, I know of someone with documentation (video, audio) whose complaints (against a bishop) went unheeded until 5 years and the bishop’s retirement.
Of course there are stories of people who succeed with liturgical complaints. But they can be matched by twice as many failure stories.
Look at that diocese in California named after a citrus fruit. A liturgical laughing stock. Nothing has been done, and, I suspect, nothing will be.
What CAN be done, relatively easily, ironically, is fixing individual lives. I had great personal success writing to the Pontifical Commission Ecclesia Dei, and Bishop Rifan (imagine, Bishop Rifan was willing to write a personal letter of reply, and then another, and then another, while my local ordinary was next to impossible to hear back from, let alone meet.)
Happily, I am now inscribed in the Personal Apostolic Administration of St. John Vianney, and Bishop Rifan is my bishop.
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fcbv
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Here in Portugal, there is Novus Ordo Mass only, and in my parish the Midnight Mass was very solemn, absolutely beautiful! I attended it and loved it! The altar was incensed during almost the whole Mass, the church was beautifully decorated… like the most beautiful liturgical solemnity deserves! The beauty of a Novus Ordo Mass really depends on who celebrates it.
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netmilsmom
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Amen!!!
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CatholicNick
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Which is IMO is its biggest, and fundamental flaw.
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daeve
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Bishop Finn lived at our parish when he was Father Finn, editor of the St. Louis Review, and as Monsignor Finn until he moved to the Catherdral. You’re right about the monotone, but the words compensate for the voice. We loved him and still miss him at Holy Redeemer in Webster Groves, MO.
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chotock
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Did any of you ever think he would become such an incredible Bishop? I have a feeling God has a major plan for this wonderful loving Shepherd.
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daeve
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You know, it really happened so fast. One day he’s a priest, the next he’s a monsignor, then wham! he’s a bishop on his way to KC. I think we were a little shell shocked by the way it happened…I don’t remember the time frame exactly, but I’ve only been in the parish since 2002, and he’s been gone a couple years already. He was a quiet, charming person and everyone was sorry to see him go.
Our pastor Father Simon left a short time later to go to a much larger parish. Father Mike Murphy came to us, and Father Eugene Sinnz (is that a name for a priest? – I used to work for a bank with a president named Swindle…not kidding, great big bank you’d recognize) in residence at the same time. Amazingly, they each had hip surgery in the last year, and Father Mike is very young. They’re both terrific, and take good care of us. Deb
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Rand_Al_Thor
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Pax tecum!
Doesn’t seem, from your description, that this NO was something to have been “forced through”. You say that there were no abuses, reverent serving (in which you took part), chant, ect. Hardly seems like something to have been “forced through”.
In Christ,
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CatholicNick
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Forced through in the sense that there were no Old Rite Masses availble whatsoever - As I would have much much rather have attended and served at the TLM than the NO at Christmas. I wasnt meaning it in a ‘gun to the head’ kind of way - if you know what I mean.
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Marian_Carroll
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The thread has been used for posters to describe their Christmas Mass experience – those wishing to discuss other topics are free to initiate a thread or join one already in progress. Thos wishing to hijack the thread into yet another series of tsk tsk’s please refrain from doing so.
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