Christopher Colombus' birth certificate

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What is the “The Trail of Blood” revision of history?
It is a “horribly inaccurate” version of history, according to an “Ana-Baptist”. It is rife with nonsense and historical inaccuracies.

I would compare it with the “Aryan Nations and Iranians” claims that the “holocaust never happened” in Europe during 1933 to 1945.
 
Oh, by the way can anyone expand on the “trail of blood” history? Is there only one variation or multiple variations depending on the denomination using it and how many people believe this?
I have a kind of baby theory starting to grow that perhaps TOB theory comes from a mixed-up cultural memory of early Teutonic pre-Christian society. They remember a lost way of life, where families stood alone and religious activity was plain and fairly free-form, where the rules were strict but few and people entered the religious life at about age 10 or 11, with a speech before their rite of passage. I’m making this up. But if the real society that existed in the Germanic parts of Europe just before they became Christianized was at all like that, then the idea that “Baptists were first” would apply to the culture where the Reformationa nd TOB stories were strongest. It would just mean they had it mixed up. If I had no need for work or sleep, I would do a little reading up and see if anything could come of it. Might be a fun project.
 
Just stating I don’t believe what they say about the church or most history. The reason why my parents send me here is that they are more Protestant than Catholic.
If you want to have fun…and learn true history at the same time, do some reading about the periods in question…and use “secular” history books to do it. What you will probably find true is that 99% of the information that they are pandering off as “historically accurate” is “historical nonsense”.

What you may wish to advise your parents of…is that if they have any intentions of sending you to college…it might be in yours and their best interests to have you “schooled” elsewhere.

The “why?” is very simple: With the kind of “instruction” you are receiving…incorrect and one-sided nonsense…you will find that when you get to college…you are going to find yourself in quick-sand right from the start…and fall flat on your face academically.
 
Since Queen Isabella expelled all Jews from her territories in 1492 It is hard to see how Columbus got back to tell her of his findings.:rolleyes:
If Columbus was a Jew it would stand to reason that the Jews would be looking for a new home, and this is a possible motive for him to look for a new world.

Also Columbus married a Jewish woman. again circumstantial proof he might have been a secret Jew.

Also Columbus delayed sailing from Spain by 1 day in 1492 so as not to start the trip on Tisha B’ Av ( the 9 th day a the Hebrew month of Av, the saddest day on the Hebrew calender)

Also catholics may not like to admit it but the catholics church has a long history of Anti semitism so the church for this reason might want to destroy any proof that Columbus was Jewish
 
If Columbus was a Jew it would stand to reason that the Jews would be looking for a new home, and this is a possible motive for him to look for a new world.

Also Columbus married a Jewish woman. again circumstantial proof he might have been a secret Jew.

Also Columbus delayed sailing from Spain by 1 day in 1492 so as not to start the trip on Tisha B’ Av ( the 9 th day a the Hebrew month of Av, the saddest day on the Hebrew calender)

Also catholics may not like to admit it but the catholics church has a long history of Anti semitism so the church for this reason might want to destroy any proof that Columbus was Jewish
But he was not looking for a new land, only a new route to Asia.
 
Well I would like to say thank you for posting. Now speaking of conspiracy theories, I read a book thats about the history of the Knight Templar. (I take everything the book says with a huge dose of salt because the book was printed by a conspiracy company, which they are actually outright heretical. I wouldnt have bought it if I had known they were. that and its the Knights Templar) Anyways, they said Chris might have been a Knights Templar and his motive for finding the new world was to find a new home for the Templars.

The only real pro to the school is that it prepares you for college, by making you teach yourself. The second is that I’m socially inept and its a small school so its easier for me to have some friends.
 
Well I would like to say thank you for posting. Now speaking of conspiracy theories, I read a book thats about the history of the Knight Templar. (I take everything the book says with a huge dose of salt because the book was printed by a conspiracy company, which they are actually outright heretical. I wouldnt have bought it if I had known they were. that and its the Knights Templar) Anyways, they said Chris might have been a Knights Templar and his motive for finding the new world was to find a new home for the Templars.

The only real pro to the school is that it prepares you for college, by making you teach yourself. The second is that I’m socially inept and its a small school so its easier for me to have some friends.
Utter bosh. Everyone knows he was a member of the Priory of Sion. 😃

Watch out for what kind of “friends” you may attract:

“The lunatic is all idée fixe, and whatever he comes across confirms his lunacy. You can tell him by the liberties he takes with common sense, by his flashes of inspiration, and by the fact that sooner or later he brings up the Templars.”
 
Well its actually their history workbook for American history. For context they say it right after they say "Despite his (Columbus) lip service to the Roman Catholic Church and the fact he was a Sephardic (i might have misspelled that) Jew, he was probably a secret Christian.
Oh, good heavens! I always hated the A.C.E. system (though I learned a great deal from their old geometry and art curricula, used without the straightjacket of the system), and here’s more reason to!

That one sentence sums up the incoherent attitude of fundamentalists to church history better than anything I know.

Edwin
 
I was reading a Protestant book (by the A.C.E. organization, which makes a home-school workbook for people.) today and I saw that they said that the Jesuits destroyed Christopher Columbus’ birth certificate for no apparent reason.
Why did the Jesuits have custody of Columbus’s birth certificate in the first place? Anti-Catholic Protestants have this weird habit of ascribing everything to the Jesuits. I remember having to dissuade one conservative Presbyterian from the fixed conviction that the Jesuits ran the Inquisition (in fact the Inquisition was very suspicious of the early Jesuits).

Edwin
 
Well I would like to say thank you for posting. Now speaking of conspiracy theories, I read a book thats about the history of the Knight Templar. (I take everything the book says with a huge dose of salt because the book was printed by a conspiracy company, which they are actually outright heretical. I wouldnt have bought it if I had known they were. that and its the Knights Templar) Anyways, they said Chris might have been a Knights Templar and his motive for finding the new world was to find a new home for the Templars.
You should take the book with a large dose of salt. Ipecac might be more appropriate though… The Knights Templar were disbanded by Papal Bull in March of 1312. You can read an accurate history of the Knights Templar here: newadvent.org/cathen/14493a.htm

The Knights Templar have been the subject of many “conspiracy” theories…but then that is the nature of anyone who desires to cast aspersions on another… “Create a conspiracy”…and let the evil in man’s mind do the rest…
The only real pro to the school is that it prepares you for college, by making you teach yourself. The second is that I’m socially inept and its a small school so its easier for me to have some friends.
James, while you may think that you are “socially inept”… at this point in your life…DO NOT SWEAT THE SMALL STUFF!! There are far more important things in life than a bunch of “friends”. To my minds eye…a “Friend” is someone who would give their life to protect yours. Anyone else is but a “passing acquaintance”.

Insofar as “socially inept people”…some of my acquaintances in school…over 40 years ago…would be the people who were somewhat socially inept. I thought they were OK, and they were certainly more genuine as people than the “social climbers” and “popularity players”… and what is truly interesting is that I have looked up some of those people…both groups…and what I found was that “the socially inept” turned out to be the most successful, whereas the “in-crowd” ended up for the most part at the bottom of the heap of life.

If you are inclined to accept a piece of advice… Worry not about how many friends you have now…they will be long forgotten withing a year or so after graduating high school…and something of the same will happen after graduating college…just spend your efforts getting a good education…👍 In other words: Take care of the truly important things, and don’t sweat the small stuff…👍
 
C’mon, people!!!

Everybody knows that Christopher Colombus was married to Mary Magdalene.

Whoops, wait a minute. I’m mixing up my fictional novels here.

Just ignore this last post… 😃

Margaret
 
C’mon, people!!!

Everybody knows that Christopher Colombus was married to Mary Magdalene.

Whoops, wait a minute. I’m mixing up my fictional novels here.

Just ignore this last post… 😃

Margaret
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i read that Christopher Columbus was a Third Order Franciscan. that seems much more meaningful than the status of his birth certificate…
 
Why did the Jesuits have custody of Columbus’s birth certificate in the first place?
They didn’t. 😃
Anti-Catholic Protestants have this weird habit of ascribing everything to the Jesuits.
Interesting isn’t it? I mean…who else could have possibly been to blame for all the ills of the world…??
I remember having to dissuade one conservative Presbyterian from the fixed conviction that the Jesuits ran the Inquisition (in fact the Inquisition was very suspicious of the early Jesuits).
Edwin, could it possibly be that they were “ill informed”, and guilty of believing anything that someone else who was ill informed told them or put into print? Is it possible that the Jesuits are a convenient bunch of “boogey-men” to hang everything on? Sure seems that way.

It makes you wonder if they know anything at all about the Jesuits… The Society of Jesus…and what their mission was.
In the beginning: newadvent.org/cathen/14081a.htm
The Suppression: newadvent.org/cathen/14096a.htm

Me thinks they be “clueless” as to who or what the Jesuits were yesterday and who or what they are today… jesuit.org/
 
i read that Christopher Columbus was a Third Order Franciscan. that seems much more meaningful than the status of his birth certificate…
That explains it all!!! The Jesuits swiped his birth certificate because he joined the Franciscans…not them, and that way they messed up his eligibility to play football for the Franciscans!!:eek:
 
Anti-Catholic Protestants have this weird habit of ascribing everything to the Jesuits.

Interesting isn’t it? I mean…who else could have possibly been to blame for all the ills of the world…??
Hey, didn’t these Protestants get the memo? OPUS DEI is the new bogeyman. Get with the program, people! (And yes, I’m in Opus Dei, so I’m allowed to make jokes like that.)

I’m sure there was an albino assassin monk involved in this sinister coverup…

Margaret
 
Roughly what percentage of 15th-Century Jewish parents named their sons Christopher?
Columbus myths drive me up the wall anyway. Like the chestnut that they (I don’t know who) “laughed at him for saying the world was round but he proved it by sailing around the world”.:rolleyes: No, most people in Europe had no idea he existed, and no one doubted the world is round, and even if they had he didn’t prove it is because he didn’t sail around the world. He sailed about 1/12th of the distance around the world.
 
Why did the Jesuits have custody of Columbus’s birth certificate in the first place? Anti-Catholic Protestants have this weird habit of ascribing everything to the Jesuits. I remember having to dissuade one conservative Presbyterian from the fixed conviction that the Jesuits ran the Inquisition (in fact the Inquisition was very suspicious of the early Jesuits).

Edwin
Well if I remember right, the Jesuits were formed by Saint Ignatius Loyola after the reformation as a counter-reformation to teach the faithful of the Catholic Church about what it teaches. So, many anti-Catholic protestants hate the Jesuits and what they stand for. If I am wrong wrong about anything please feel free to correct me.
 
Well, you may not sleep well tonight…:eek: The “looney-tunes” are still out there…in the 21st Century: theflatearthsociety.org/
Sailors, geographers etc. were well aware the world was not flat. People start up another myth with regards to Columbus on this, 'His sailors got angry at points as they thought they were going to fall of the edge of the world if he sailed much further.;
Er no his sailors thought they were going to run out of food given the extreme distance of the voyage. This was a practical concern and many people at the time believed inability to carry sufficient supplies would hamper man from sailing round the globe. A reasonable enough belief if you look at how small the ships were relative to our own time and the fact that modern food storage methods didn’t exsist.
On that point I am sure you are correct. If you look closely at the dimensions of the three boats in his fleet…

Dimensions of the Nina, Pinta, and Santa Maria:

Nina = 67 feet long, 21 feet wide

Pinta = 70 feet long, 22 feet wide

Santa Maria = 77 feet long, 26 feet wide

These boats aren’t particularly “large”…and considering the “crew sizes”: The Santa Maria had 40 men, the Nina 20 and the Pinta 26… which means the crew had to literally live in each others faces for the entire journey. Then add in the fact that Columbus provisioned the ship for a one year voyage…

I live on a 44’ trawler…with my wife…and at times it feels crowded:D (Psst…don’t tell her I said that…ok?) I can tell you if we have 5 or 6 guests over…it can get crowded, so having 22 people on a boat this size would drive me over the edge. I can well imagine that the trip would have been slightly “stressful”. Here is some interesting information about the boats and the trip:
millersville.edu/~columbus/papers/oestereich-j.html
 
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