Christ's Bride

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If the church is the bride of Christ and the church is sick, is a sick bride discarded for another?

Do we stand by our brides and help them heal or divorce them because they are sick, or too old?

Was it right for Martin Luther to divorce the church for another bride, or should he have
stayed, committing himself to healing Christ’s bride?

Once this act was made, others felt compelled to follow; England’s King Henry the 8th, being denied the request to divorce his wife by the church, divorced his wife and the church; he took on two new brides, another woman and established another church.

Christ’s bride, the church, is pure, it’s the selfish, self-serving, misguided sins of some men and women in the church who sometimes lead the church astray.

The church body is as good as the men and women who serve Christ’s bride.

The traditional wedding vow we take, “I take you to be my wife/husband, to have and to hold from this day forward, for better or for worse, for richer, for poorer, in sickness and in health, to love and to cherish; from this day forward until death do us part.”

To those who desire the collapse of the Catholic Church, and her leader the pope, who would you chose to represent Christ on the world stage?
 
If you are posing a question to non-Catholics, I would post it in the non-Catholic part of the forum located here. God bless! :o
 
“Once this act was made, others felt compelled to follow; England’s King Henry the 8th, being denied the request to divorce his wife by the church, divorced his wife and the church; he took on two new brides, another woman and established another church”

Small problem with your propaganda.

The annulments for royalty were granted very easily at his time. Your church really has to address that.
 
Your comment doesn’t make sense. Pope Clement refused to grant Henry an annulment and thus left the church to start his own, the Church of England. Henry is noted for his six wives, two of whom were beheaded.
 
Marco Polo: I’m testing an apologia tautology for a future article. :cool:
 
Deo_Gratias_MD said:
Your comment doesn’t make sense. Pope Clement refused to grant Henry an annulment and thus left the church to start his own, the Church of England. Henry is noted for his six wives, two of whom were beheaded.
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I know this. That is what makes it even more of a problem. Many others were getting annulments that could pony up for them and they were very common at Henry’s time. Henry did many things for the Catholic Church, and yet for some reason he was treated very differently than the many others who were granted them.

My comment does make sense.
 
steve_b said:
A moot point given his marital history.
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It is hardly a moot point, when the entire annulment procedure was a fiasco then at his time. His sins, were not much different than a pope or two at the time he requested the annulment. At least he was not a pope and had children. He simply gave much to the catholic church, and asked as many did for an annulment. They got them, for some reason he did not.
 
StrawberryJam said:
It is hardly a moot point, when the entire annulment procedure was a fiasco then at his time.
His sins, were not much different than a pope or two at the time he requested the annulment. At least he was not a pope and had children. He simply gave much to the catholic church, and asked as many did for an annulment. They got them, for some reason he did not.
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Maybe you should research why he didn’t get an annulment. Not that it was going to stop him from doing what he would do…
 
steve_b said:
Maybe you should research why he didn’t get an annulment. Not that it was going to stop him from doing what he would do…
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Maybe you should tell me why he did not. His wife’s family had a lot of pull with the right people?:confused:
 
StrawberryJam said:
Maybe you should tell me why he did not. His wife’s family had a lot of pull with the right people?:confused:
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You’re the one who is taking exception. Since you know so much about it, and the times, why didn’t he get the annulment?
 
steve_b said:
You’re the one who is taking exception. Since you know so much about it, and the times, why didn’t he get the annulment?
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Politics. Simple as that. Unfortunately, at that time that was too much of an influence. Thankfully, it is not and has not been for some time now.
 
StrawberryJam said:
Politics. Simple as that. Unfortunately, at that time that was too much of an influence.
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That’s not an answer to the question. That king obviously did what he wanted to do anyway. Why was he denied an annulment.
 
steve_b said:
That’s not an answer to the question. That king obviously did what he wanted to do anyway. Why was he denied an annulment.
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Tell me why he was denied an annulment and why they were passed out like water to anyone at that time, for any reason at all.
 
StrawberryJam said:
Tell me why he was denied an annulment and why they were passed out like water to anyone at that time, for any reason at all.
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You’re the one throwing charges and opinions around.


  1. *]Show that annulments were passed around like water for any reason,
    *]why wasn’t Henry given one?
 
steve_b said:
You’re the one throwing charges and opinions around.


  1. *]Show that annulments were passed around like water for any reason,
    *]why wasn’t Henry given one?
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  1. Unfortunately, I am not here to teach you history. If you really cared to know the truth about this matter (and realized your catholic bretheren know about it enough to not rush to your rescue here) then, I could continue but it would not help you at all if I did that.

    You need to care enough about what you believe to do the dirty work yourself, if I may be so bold to say.
 
Deo_Gratias_MD said:
If the church is the bride of Christ and the church is sick, is a sick bride discarded for another?

Do we stand by our brides and help them heal or divorce them because they are sick, or too old?

Was it right for Martin Luther to divorce the church for another bride, or should he have
stayed, committing himself to healing Christ’s bride?

Once this act was made, others felt compelled to follow; England’s King Henry the 8th, being denied the request to divorce his wife by the church, divorced his wife and the church; he took on two new brides, another woman and established another church.

Christ’s bride, the church, is pure, it’s the selfish, self-serving, misguided sins of some men and women in the church who sometimes lead the church astray.

The church body is as good as the men and women who serve Christ’s bride.

The traditional wedding vow we take, “I take you to be my wife/husband, to have and to hold from this day forward, for better or for worse, for richer, for poorer, in sickness and in health, to love and to cherish; from this day forward until death do us part.”

To those who desire the collapse of the Catholic Church, and her leader the pope, who would you chose to represent Christ on the world stage?
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THE Church is Christ’s bride, regardless of Luther or his intentions. All Christians are members of the one holy, catholic church. Our communion is imperfect; I blame sin getting in the way. But Luther can’t stop (nor did he intend to) the ultimate heavenly unity.

As far as the Reformation in general goes, I think Luther did notice some actual problems (not with official doctrine but with corrupt practices) and did (IIRC) try to purify the Catholic church, rather than leave it. However, he got nasty, they got nasty back, and things generally devolved into trying to kill each other rather than work for the good of the church as a whole. Maybe I’m misunderstanding either Luther’s motives or the motives of the Church, but I get the feeling that Luther et. al had potential to do a lot of good within the Church, and somehow ended up causing a split that’s not been solved in 500 years. Not such a good result.
 
StrawberryJam said:
Tell me why he was denied an annulment and why they were passed out like water to anyone at that time, for any reason at all.
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Why are answers to some people’s prayers not answered when others do get answered?

Why do bad things happen to good people and good things happen to bad people?

Maybe he was treated “fairly”, and maybe he wasn’t.

Maybe it was politics, maybe it wasn’t. It makes no difference.

Perhaps he should have said to himself “Darn politics is causing me to be treated unfairly. But as a Catholic, I will obey the Pope, suck it up, and continue to live with this woman I no longer love and treat her respectfully and lovingly as my spouse. And I will join my “suffering” to that of Christ, for for my own sins, and for the sins of others.”

Or so it seems to me, IMHO.
 
ricmat said:
Why are answers to some people’s prayers not answered when others do get answered?

Why do bad things happen to good people and good things happen to bad people?

Maybe he was treated “fairly”, and maybe he wasn’t.

Maybe it was politics, maybe it wasn’t. It makes no difference.

Perhaps he should have said to himself “Darn politics is causing me to be treated unfairly. But as a Catholic, I will obey the Pope, suck it up, and continue to live with this woman I no longer love and treat her respectfully and lovingly as my spouse. And I will join my “suffering” to that of Christ, for for my own sins, and for the sins of others.”

Or so it seems to me, IMHO.
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Okay. I’m with you here.

But, he was not an ordinary catholic was he? He did a whole lot to promote the catholic faith.
 
StrawberryJam said:
Okay. I’m with you here.

But, he was not an ordinary catholic was he? He did a whole lot to promote the catholic faith.
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Yes, I believe he had some title like “Defender of the Faith” from the Pope.

Remember what happened when Adam and Eve disobeyed God. Death entered the world in a big way.

When Heny disobeyed the Pope, all heck broke loose too. Beheaded wives and hundreds of years of religious persecution in England.

People in high places can do a lot of damage when they choose wrongly.
 
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