Church’s Teaching On Male-Only Priesthood Is ‘Infallible’: Vatican Doctrine Chief

[exnihilo]

Ah, I see. I agree, since women ‘deaconettes’ would not be ordained, theoretically that could happen

Male deacons are ordained. So the issue could be viewed as can women be ordained/receive Holy Orders or can there be a non ordained office of deaconess. The later seems to me the only valid option. But it would be a terrible mistake. It would be a mistake because it is confusing to the average person. Also, deaconesses existed in the past but only helped with adult baptisms of women.

 

[stpurl]

I totally agree with you on all points. I pray that it will not happen, not because I think women are inferior (I’m a woman, thank you), or that they aren’t ‘capable’ (capability is not the issue, but people tend to get confused and think it is), but because of what you said; the whole point of a woman ‘deacon’ (non ordained, often the wife of a male deacon) was to assist at the NUDE baptisms of women. Unless the entire Catholic world wants to (in its thirst for going after the ‘purity’ of the 'original early worship/lifestyle) go back to segregated churches (male/female) and segregated nude baptisms, there is no point to making up a title to ‘appease the women’ in order to provide a faux kind of "see, you’re equal, we have male deacons and female deaconettes, except the males are ordained and the women not, and the males can give homilies and the women not, and oh wait if you aren’t doing everything EXACTLY THE SAME then we will argue and fight and some rebel groups will HAVE the women do exactly what the men do, and the leaders in the church will throw up their hands and say, “Well, after all, we can claim the ordination for a deacon is somehow completely different, and we don’t want to lose their wonderful people, and it will give the Church PR points so we will, without changing anything on the books, give our bishops authority to 'let what is existing exist”) Grrrr

 

[Jeanne_S]

My husband and I attended Mass at the Cathedral in San Diego a few years back.Processng up the aisle were two middle aged females .They wore long white robes( not sure of the technical name) with long green over garments .They were functioning as adult alter servers and I found this very unsettling ,seemed very PC to me.

 

[Tis_Bearself]

You’ve never seen an adult female altar server before?
They are extremely common in USA.

 

[Jeanne_S]

That was the first and last time at have ever seen adult female servers

 

[JimG]

The only altar servers I’ve seen in my parish are school age children from 5th grade through high school. We have more boys than girls and all seem exceptionally well trained.

 

[IfeanyiChukwu]

I think the Catechism makes it clear in CCC 1577 that the valid recipient of ordination is a male. I interpret this to mean that, if a bishop laid hands upon a female with the intent of giving her holy orders, nothing would happen. The grace would not flow, since God did not give His Church the authority to do so, and nothing anyone in the Church says or does will ever change that.

 

[Luke6_37]

the teaching is that Jesus did not give His Church the authority to ordain women to the priesthood; this implies that when Jesus returns, He might give the Church that authority.

This was JP2’s argument, but I never felt like it was a good one.