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I really did mean my comment good naturedly and not to be offensive nor hurtful in any way.
I’m sorry for the confusion, Barb
Its difficult to emote
In a blog
I was going for
“Hmmm, interesting”

Not

“Hmmm, is she being offensive or hurtful?”
 
I’m sorry for the confusion, Barb
Its difficult to emote
In a blog
I was going for
“Hmmm, interesting”

Not

“Hmmm, is she being offensive or hurtful?”
Gotcha…and am entirely relieved since it is me that triggered the confusion…and thank you for being kind!👍
 
It sounds like
You do not believe that
We should trust, in solidarity, that God will impose legal rights.

Do you think
We should dialogue
Or
We should impose legal rights?
Asked directly, I would have to say that God will impose legal rights upon the second coming of Jesus Christ on earth. However, that does not negate our obligation to seek social justice against mass murder in our current day. Yes, we should dialogue to change the hearts & minds of people for long-term solution for human life principles such as inalienable right to life that define our nation. Yes, we should impose legal rights, such as a Human Rights Amendment, as well as intermediate steps such as reversing Roe versus Wade. Both must be treated with a high priority due to the sheer numbers of casualties and not treated as an either/or methodology. Imposing law & “grass roots” dialogue are not mutually exclusive. Stopping the blood bath where we can, imposing intermediate restrictions, etc. are all battles that must be fought legislatively NOW & with HIGH PRIORITY. It is nonsense to take the approach of “change hearts & minds” exclusively.

When America went to Civil War, the Emancipation Proclamation was an outcome that made no concessions to changing the hearts & minds of the slaveholders. The abortion issue is one that must be treated in the same manner. It is in principle, the same problem - a segment of human beings who are denied their human rights because they are deemed “lesser” humans. Personhood is denied.
 
Psychotheosophy:

Civil Authority is to obtain it’s base principles in God’s moral law. God sent His son to establish one and only one Church that will be that guide.

What you see now is the chaos and confusion that results of deviation from the Divine plan, by having many so called faiths, and by the ruling Authority going it alone in it’s governorship.

Andy
 
I read the whole thread today, and have some logical points to make in regards to what Psychotheosophy has written. I’ve taken some liberties with line spacing and punctuation.
If God is Existence, God is Happiness. Then Existence is Happiness
How does that follow? God could only be both existence and happiness if existence is happiness. And to say that existence is happiness is demonstrably false. Go hang out in an insane asylum, or down on Skid Row.
So People can naturally seek Existence, And Choose nonexistence
Existence is not nonexistence. If one chooses nonexistence, one is not seeking existence.
Just as, People can naturally seek Happiness And Choose unhappiness
Happiness is not unhappiness. If one chooses unhappiness, one is not seeking happiness.
All people seek Happiness in principle
This works as a generalization. But I would guess that any psychiatrist or psychotherapist could give you examples of people who seek unhappiness.
Give me any example Of someone Not seeking Happiness in principle
The truly suicidal are not seeking happiness. They are seeking the end of pain.
In terms of “Church and State”… In our “Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness”… We should have a legal right To Life, Liberty and Happiness
Again, this does not follow. We do not have the right to happiness, only the right to seek it. The two things are not equal.
What kinds of obstacles Do you see In imposing The Human Life Amendment (Or any Zero Amendment) On secular society? (Besides the threat of straight jackets)
The same ones there have been since Roe vs. Wade was imposed upon us (without a majority vote). To pass it, we need:
  1. A majority of Congressmen who believe that abortion and euthanasia are murder, and have the courage to vote their convictions.
  2. A majority of pro-life Supreme Court Justices ditto.
Heart of Jesus, source of justice and love, have mercy on us.

Ruthie
 
wynnejj;4585861:
I looked at some of your previous threads, and in particular the one that states a desire to put together a Catholic Psychology model marrying Thomist philosophy with psychology theory. Is this thread an exercise in some kind of modelling language?
It could be…

The focus
Is to help people
Listen to God
By way of
Natural Law
Here’s another Jeff Miller (not Lassie’s master) whose blog is called “The Curt Jester” and he has an article from its archives called “If the Catholic Church was a programming language” which I thought apropos for some the quasi-programming aspects of this thread in the way concepts are presented.

😃 splendoroftruth.com/curtjester/archives/2008/12/if-the-catholic.php
 
Ruthie:

Sums up in lack of trust.

Why seek happiness?. Has servants of God our task is to satiate some desire of self? I don’t think so. I think it is to serve. Happiness is Mother Theresa’s joy from the smile of a leper who receives the word his medicine is finally working. Happiness is what comes about by doing God’s work, it is not a thing to strive for, it is what God finds we are deserving. All striving is in God’s work. Futility in trying to grasp that elusive carrot dangling in front of our noses which is meant to divert our focus. Ecclesiastes sums it up nicely and we should re-focus.

The constitutional “pursuit of happiness” should read “pursuit of God’s work”.

Andy
 
No it can’t, it may exist, but it will not prosper. You can’t name one nation that fits that description, past or present. Diversity dilutes morality, and once a nation no longer has a shared morality, a majority morality, with a shared sense of involitiletruth that transcends all, some one’s right to the pursuit of happiness is going to suffer.

Take, marriage for instance. I believe that marriage is between one man and one woman. I believe that it is an involitiletruth that transcends all beliefs, practices, laws, religions, constitutions, supreme court opinions, or your personal “pursuit of happiness”.

I believe that this definition must be defended against all corruption. I refuse to allow my children to be indoctrinated with diversity on this subject. I refuse to respect any one’s “right” to redefine marriage.

How do we apply diversity to this situation?
Compromise.

Nobody seems to be taking the time, patience, and compassion to really settle a disagreement or put an end to conflicts.

Of course I couldn’t name a nation. We’re still having to deal with discrimination from over a hundred years ago!

It’s going to take time, though. A lot of us have to die off so certain types of discrimination become mere memories that seem like outrageous myths.
 
Asked directly, I would have to say that God will impose legal rights upon the second coming of Jesus Christ on earth. However, that does not negate our obligation to seek social justice against mass murder in our current day. Yes, we should dialogue to change the hearts & minds of people for long-term solution for human life principles such as inalienable right to life that define our nation. Yes, we should impose legal rights, such as a Human Rights Amendment, as well as intermediate steps such as reversing Roe versus Wade. Both must be treated with a high priority due to the sheer numbers of casualties and not treated as an either/or methodology. Imposing law & “grass roots” dialogue are not mutually exclusive. Stopping the blood bath where we can, imposing intermediate restrictions, etc. are all battles that must be fought legislatively NOW & with HIGH PRIORITY. It is nonsense to take the approach of “change hearts & minds” exclusively.

When America went to Civil War, the Emancipation Proclamation was an outcome that made no concessions to changing the hearts & minds of the slaveholders. The abortion issue is one that must be treated in the same manner. It is in principle, the same problem - a segment of human beings who are denied their human rights because they are deemed “lesser” humans. Personhood is denied.
How do you impose laws
that do not exist
through dialogue?
 
I read the whole thread today, and have some logical points to make in regards to what Psychotheosophy has written. I’ve taken some liberties with line spacing and punctuation.

How does that follow? God could only be both existence and happiness if existence is happiness. And to say that existence is happiness is demonstrably false. Go hang out in an insane asylum, or down on Skid Row.

Existence is not nonexistence. If one chooses nonexistence, one is not seeking existence.

Happiness is not unhappiness. If one chooses unhappiness, one is not seeking happiness.

This works as a generalization. But I would guess that any psychiatrist or psychotherapist could give you examples of people who seek unhappiness.

The truly suicidal are not seeking happiness. They are seeking the end of pain.

Again, this does not follow. We do not have the right to happiness, only the right to seek it. The two things are not equal.

The same ones there have been since Roe vs. Wade was imposed upon us (without a majority vote). To pass it, we need:
  1. A majority of Congressmen who believe that abortion and euthanasia are murder, and have the courage to vote their convictions.
  2. A majority of pro-life Supreme Court Justices ditto.
Heart of Jesus, source of justice and love, have mercy on us.

Ruthie
I think you need to be honest
And reference the quotes.
 
I think you need to be honest
And reference the quotes.
Ruthie’s points are well-taken. I agree that the quotes are illogical for the same reasons. Other than re-formatting to one-liners, they are your quotes which she states. Since she’s commenting on the logic of sentences, it is not a matter of taking the sentence out of context. The sentences of themselves are illogical. Do you not concede her points? Honest, now!
 
This Sunday’s intentions points to the correct way of solving the problems presented.

“We pray for Mother Church, beacon to the **Family of Nations, we pray to the Lord.”

**Andy
 
This Sunday’s intentions points to the correct way of solving the problems presented.

“We pray for Mother Church, beacon to the **Family of Nations, we pray to the Lord.”

**Andy
I think we can all agree on this prayer intention.
 
How about, NO!

I’ve noticed that you quote Lemuel K. Washburn in your signature. The next time you want to compromise on something, try this one:
Very funny.

But it’s like I said. It’s going to take all of us…ehh… maybe from the 1900s and really early 2000s to die off.

Ironically Yours. ❤️
 
Very funny.

But it’s like I said. It’s going to take all of us…ehh… maybe from the 1900s and really early 2000s to die off.

Ironically Yours. ❤️
We’ve died off,
and been killed off,

tortured,
and imprisoned,

beaten,
and sweet talked.

Only in God’s Love
is hope offered.

Only in God’s Love
is salvation offered.

Only in God’s Love
is Life offered.

Only in God’s Love
is Love offered.

Only without God’s Love
is death offered.

And death is never
the solution.
 
We’ve died off,
and been killed off,

tortured,
and imprisoned,

beaten,
and sweet talked.

Only in God’s Love
is hope offered.

Only in God’s Love
is salvation offered.

Only in God’s Love
is Life offered.

Only in God’s Love
is Love offered.

Only without God’s Love
is death offered.

And death is never
the solution.
Whoa, relax. I didn’t mean suicide or homicide, or any kind of -cide! I just meant Time.

Unless anyone wants to compromise and live with the diversity in the world (because it’s not going anywhere), Time is the solution.
 
Whoa, relax. I didn’t mean suicide or homicide, or any kind of -cide! I just meant Time.

Unless anyone wants to compromise and live with the diversity in the world (because it’s not going anywhere), Time is the solution.
I agree…

Compromise has its place.

But

If we are willing
To compromise everything,
We accept nothing

And

We replace our principles
With
Empty words
 
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