Church Authority and the Amazon Controversy

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That would be mocking a culture …which we do not do
We have a lot of English words for example and concepts incorporated in our culture and nobody mocks them. They have been incorporated and are understood…
 
Dovekin said:
An idolatrous intention is an intent to offer latria to an idol or image.
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so its ok to have a false idol in a Catholic Church, provided nobody evidences a false form of worship towards it while it is in said Catholic Church?
 
Do you mean the words we’ve incorporated? A lot…
Sometimes the Real Academia Española has changed the spelling to conform to our language .
Say sports: tenis, fútbol,
So much so that it is kind of hard to identify them now as foreign.
( besides we are having elections this Sunday and I am worn out to think much…:crazy_face: )
 
Aquinas11 said:
so its ok to have a false idol in a Catholic Church, provided nobody evidences a false form of worship towards it while it is in said Catholic Church?
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No. Idols generally are used within the context of worship, and the placement of an idol usually implies an intent to worship.

Images that are used “without idolatrous intention” probably should not be called idols.
 
La pachamama is a word used in the popular culture and it means the earth , the land and implies a certain appreciation and bond or love for it.
I ll be honest also, though I spend much in the rural environment, this is a concept more related to our northern provinces but it is used around.
Also I quite frankly do not even know that if as a deity it is still dealt with somewhere because I can only relate to the word as it is used commonly .
I personally do not use it but not for any special reason, it isn t in my vocabulary which is more urban in a way.
 
Like what?

Other than the names of the days in the week what are you referring to?
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The months, the planets, oceans, cities, mountains, rivers, the statue of liberty, plus themes in literature like Tolkeins Lord of the Rings, and CS Lewis’s Narnia tales. There’s many, many more though.
 
I have a friend who comes from Columbia, there are so many Catholics there very concerned about this wooden Carving they know by its name. The issue is that even though some people may not have intentions. Others do, and the church pews being turned away from the altar and inward in a circle with this statue placed in the centre, and people praying in that manner, Its very concerning for just who has intentions about what.
 
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Early Christians were martyred because they refused to join pagan festivals that worshipped agricultural Gods. The Romans believed this was a crucial thing and that all its people were to worship on given days. This , they believed, meant the success or failure of crops and famine.

Blood of the Martyrs has seeded the church when Christians have said no I will not worship your mother earth gods.
 
I understand.
The thing is that one can contribute a bit to the extent of what one knows, but then that is it.
Be at peace, Jesus is with us always…He promised.
 
GiftofMercy said:
Early Christians were martyred because they refused to join pagan festivals that worshipped agricultural Gods. The Romans believed this was a crucial thing and that all its people were to worship on given days. This , they believed, meant the success or failure of crops and famine.

Blood of the Martyrs has seeded the church when Christians have said no I will not worship your mother earth gods.
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Can you give some examples of the early martyr being killed by pagans for refusing to participate in their festivals? My impression was that the early martyrs were predominantly victims of the Jews or politics. Missionaries were known to be killed by pagans but not because they refused to worship their gods. Moreso because they were resisting colonial infiltration.
 
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Because these are pagan idols. The pope himself referred to it as pachamama, which is a pagan idol. Case closed.
Taylor Marshall gives a solid explanation here with all the biblical and Catholic citations: Pope Francis says Pachamamas Retrieved from Tiber River - Taylor Struggles and Reflects (#323) - YouTube
Truth cannot contradict truth.
1st Commandment:
Exodus 20:2-45 “I am the Lord thy God, who brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. Thou shalt not have strange gods before me. Thou shalt not make to thyself a graven thing, nor the likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or in the earth beneath, nor of those things that are in the waters under the earth. Thou shalt not adore them, nor serve them: I am the Lord thy God, mighty, jealous, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me:”
 
Does the pope want us to bow down before these pachamama statues? Is that now a good and acceptable behavior? Are we being told that priests should bring these idols into their churches and set them up and have people bow down before them?
 
If any priest or bishop, any bishop no matter his rank, commands you to bring these idols into your churches and facilitate people prostrating themselves before them, I would pray to our Lord that you would refuse. We have a duty to disobey evil commands, no matter who the source.

St Paul to St Peter - Galatians 2:11 “I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed.”
 
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The pope said it was good these pachamama statues were found and that he wants them to be in the church for the final mass. Doesn’t that say he wants this to set an example for other priests to follow? Coming to a parish near you? What would you do if your priest, like the franciscan monk did before the pope, bowed down before them? These are things we now have to consider a possibility. Do we mix these things together?
 
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Emeraldlady said:
Can you give some examples of the early martyr being killed by pagans for refusing to participate in their festivals. My impression was that the early martyrs were predominantly victims of the Jews or politics.
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Read about persecution of Christians under Diocletian for many examples.
 
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Emeraldlady said:
Pope JPII made a point of kissing the ground of the countries he visited and welcoming the traditional symbols of other faiths to a spiritual unity that was not anything resembling syncretism.
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A priest I know visited a disgusting place in Mexico and when he returned from the flight he kissed the ground because he was happy to be home. You’re absolutely right that you have to distinguish, and when you bow prostrate before a pagan idol of mother earth and kiss the ground of mother earth, that is nothing but idol-atry. 1st Commandment.

Also giving examples of what JP2 did does not prove anything. Saint Francis of Assisi according to his contemporary St Bonaventure in his biography of his life had someone tie a rope around his neck and drag him through the city to the top of a hill by the neck and at the top of the hill preached to everyone about how terrible a sinner he was. Why did he do this? Bonaventure says because he broke his fast. Is this a model for all to follow? If you want to… next jump and roll into a bush of thorns. Popes and Saints were not perfect. Peter did not eat with the gentiles. And JP2 kissed a koran. Many prayers needed for very confusing times.
 
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