Church bars severely autistic boy from mass...

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Walz alleges that Adam struck a child during mass and has nearly knocked elderly people over when he abruptly bolts from church. He also spits and sometimes urinates in church and fights efforts to restrain him, Walz wrote.

The pastor wrote that Adam’s parents often sit on him during mass to restrain him, and sometimes bind his hands and feet, pulling a rope under the pew so his father can control the line from behind.

Walz wrote that Adam once pulled an adolescent girl – an exchange student staying with the family – on top of him, grabbing her thighs and buttocks. And, at Easter, Walz alleged, Adam ran from the church, got into the family van and started it, then got into someone else’s car, started it and revved up the engine.

“There were people directly in front of the car who could have been injured or killed if he had put the car in gear” Walz wrote.
Carol offered a different perspective. She said her son once brushed against a parishioner who almost lost balance. Adam makes spitting faces but doesn’t actually spit, she said, and he has an occasional incontinence problem.

She and John sometimes sit on him because their weight is calming to him, she said. He pulled the exchange student onto his lap for that reason, she said, and wasn’t grabbing at her.
They also use soft fleece strips to sometimes bind Adam’s hands and occasionally his feet because it calms him, she said.

The Easter incident occurred when Adam got into the driver’s seat of a car that had already been started and revved the engine because he’s drawn to engines, she said.
Again, I ask why the parents haven’t had a nice visit from CPS.

Caring for someone with a handicap is sometimes a difficult journey, but to see the mother actually attempt to defend herself with the description of these behaviors is downright sick.

I hope that if anything comes out of this situation, it is at least used as a springboard to protect Adam.
 
Beckers you need to get off YOUR high horse, because you apparently have read NOTHING of the other side of the story if you think this comes down to a woman not cooperating with the priest. According to her, the opposite is true.

According to her, the priest refused mediation with a pastor from a Protestant church over the issue, and the priest refused any accommodations that would allow Adam to attend Mass.

I have no high horse.

We are called to be made uncomfortable for those in need.

We are called to forgive people 70 times.

We are called to take off our coat and give it to the person in need.

It is not possible to not be acquainted with that very basic, visceral fact of the gospel and to be a Christian, *which is why the spirit ***of how we respond to those in need is what separates the sheep from the goats.
what high horse am i sitting on? I am not claiming to be the only true christian. I relazie that i am a sinner and not perfect in any means and that i make mistakes. I know that right now in my life God is still molding and forming me into his handmaiden. I am thankful everyday for the people who surround me because i learn something new and grow a little more in my faith everyday.

I don’t know if you relaize it but the tone of your post makes it seem like you believe you are the only christian person on this thread. Which is incorrect. No one here is blaming the disabled person nor is anyone ignoring the plight of the family. i can’t imagine walking in those parents shoes and learning how to adapt to situations in the home and in social situations with a person who has the mind of a child but the body of an adult. Thats why i thought Dacree reply was wonderful. She’s walked in that families shoes.

What i don’t understand is why it seems that you are claiming that the way the priest is reacting is not within the spirit. The priest is not ignoring the family on the other hand he is acknowldging their situation, he has offered to accomadate the family through mass at their home which i would imagine would be less stressful on the young man and he would get to spend one on one time with the priest.

And yes i have read infomation about both sides so please don’t assume that because i don’t agree with your position that i am some how ignorant of the facts. We are intellgent beings and can come to our own conculsions of a situation based upon our personal knowledge and histories.Do i think both sides are at fault? Sure because as you point out there are two sides to everything. It shouldn’t have gotten this far.
 
I am sorry, I posted this yesterday and then forgot the Scripture reference and keep saying Matthew 21. (DUH!) ***Thank you ***for being the first person to look this up.

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Not so fast… I looked it up and had no idea what point you were trying to make.
 
*He pulled the exchange student onto his lap for that reason, she said, and wasn’t grabbing at her. *

I feel sorry for the exchange student. I wouldn’t want my teenage daughter on ANYBODY’S lap for any reason whatsoever. My teenager is not a trained therapist and sitting on a 225 lb. boy’s lap after her grabbed at her thighs and buttocks is totally unacceptable - regardless of the reasons the mother stated.

The fact that Adam’s mom was standing there watching this happen makes me wonder about her judgement. Obviously she is willing to put the needs of her son above others, even if is to the other person’s detriment.

I shutter to think at how often the exchange student is made to “sit on Adam’s lap?”
 
EstesBob, what do you think Jesus meant in Matthew 21? Perhaps I am mistaken in believing that a spirit of compassion should be extended to Adam, and Adam was indeed meant to be excluded, and we should all be furious at this mother for having a different story than the priest, or having the radical idea that it edifies the body of Christ to have the disabled among us.

You have read the Bible, haven’t you? Can you give us your perspective on how we take those words and apply them to Adam?

Here is my opinion of Darcee’s perspective.

“The accommodations themselves seem very reasonable to me. “

Whether or not it is reasonable to exclude Adam from the larger Catholic community on the basis of Adam’s behaviors is an unknown to Darcee.

In order to agree with Darcee that Adam’s behaviors should exclude him from Mass we must assume his mother is not telling the truth in her statement posted above. We must thoroughly discount her claim that he has been perfectly behaved for two months, and is able to handle the experience if she is given the requested space. We must also discount her request for an ABA therapist to work with her child during Mass that was denied by the priest.

Darcee’s own violent autistic child does not grant her objectivity here. She may have some compassion, but maintaining cognitive resonance requires her to side with the priest, since she herself made the personal decision to exclude her daughter from Mass.

“Second, going to the media was, in my opinion, wrong…”

I am curious why Darcee faults Mrs. Race for defending herself in the media when the priest clearly states the decision to go to the media was made by the Diocese.

It is also very curious that a Diocese would make the decision to go both to the courts and the media with a dispute in violation of 1 Corinthians 6:6.
You know i will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you do not realize how rude and condescending your posts are.
 
I’m a Spec Ed teacher that has worked with autistic students in the past. It seems to me that the priest has offered reasonable accommodations for this family. I feel the priest has an obligation to insure the safety of his parish.

One time, one of my autistic students had one of his fits, I had to evacuate the class. It took four adults to retrain him. Another student would get angry (sometimes it’s a certain word or gesture that sets them off), he would go into these spitting, cursing fits. Teachers from two halls down would ask me what the yelling was about.

Another thing that occurred to me - if they are having issues with this 13 year old, wait until he gets 16, 17 or 18.

I think it is a shame that the family went to the media.
 
Yet* another *post that fails to address Matthew 21, and ignores my statement, “The gospels were written about Adam.”

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I say this in all charity. But if you have not had to try to avoid being injured by a 235lb out of control young person you do not know what the proper response should have been. The last time my husband had to come get me at the emergency room he put his foot down on my working with people that have developmental disorders.

According to law we were not allowed to restrain in any manor that could harm the person. Physically defending ourselves was not allowed. We were obligated to keep the person from harming themselves. Many of the people I worked with are now on disability from being attacked by someone that did not know their own strength or even that what they were doing was wrong. I personally know of three people that are on germinate disability due to be injured this way.

As a parent I would not place my child in danger or allow my child to be a danger to anyone else. As someone that has been assaulted I don’t know the answer but it sure isn’t questioning the Christian beliefs of those that prefer to be physically safe at Mass.

The priest as any pastor has a duty to the congregation. The childs needs would and could be fulfilled with a private Mass and then the parishioners would not be in danger.

God Bless
 
Well, I guess I certainly started a successful thread!!😃

If I sent an exchange student to stay with another family, and I found out this large teen boy pulled my daughter onto his lap and grabbed her thighs and buttocks, there would be a lawsuit. Period. It is NOT OK.

(I don’t think Jesus thinks pulling a girl onto his lap and molesting her, which is what he did, is OK, either).

By agreeing to host an exchange student, knowing her son has these issues, I think this mother showed a serious lack of judgment. I therefore question her judgment in other areas.

And why is it we have not a word from the dad???

He is amazingly silent on the matter.

Child protective services should definitely be involved here. He is only going to get bigger and stronger. Are they going to keep “controlling” him with ties, whether fleece or straps? Something definitely needs to be done now.
 
According to her, the priest refused mediation with a pastor from a Protestant church over the issue, and the priest refused any accommodations that would allow Adam to attend Mass.
Why in the world is a Protestant minister being called in? This mother’s motives are very suspicious to me. Somehow, I can only believe the purpose is to make money by setting up a discrimination lawsuit.
 
Walz wrote that Adam once pulled an adolescent girl – an exchange student staying with the family – on top of him, grabbing her thighs and buttocks.

Considering the scandal the Church has just been through, can you imagine the outrage if the Priest didn’t do something?

I can imagine those headlines. “Priest covers up possible sexual assault of child by another parishoner” or “Yet another case where the Church refuses to report possible abuse”

I also completely disagree with having a Protestant minister get involved with Church leadership. A cooperative prayer service, fine. We all love Christ, fine. But allowing someone who specifically protests the way the Church is run to suggest how to run the Church???

Perhaps we should bring in a Protestant minister to assist us in resolving our EMCH debate. I’d love to see how that mediation would go knowing how passionate some on this board are on both sides of the issue:eek:
 
Can’t the priest train or bless or whatever the parents as eucharistic ministers? Then they can bring him the Eucahrist. It’s a shame that such disablilties can prevent a person from going to communion.
The priest offered them a Mass in their home, and the family rejected that option. He is not trying to keep the Eucharist from this young man, he’s trying to keep the rest of his parishioners safe.
 
Why in the world is a Protestant minister being called in? This mother’s motives are very suspicious to me. Somehow, I can only believe the purpose is to make money by setting up a discrimination lawsuit.
I know, right?!

I previously commented that it’s not like Protestant Pastors are calling up Catholic Priests to mediate problems in their congregations?!
 
RE: Matthew 25, Jesus, parental denial, & activist agenda

Honeysuckle,

Actually, I referred to Matt 25 much earlier in this thread, saying, “I seriously doubt that Jesus wants us to enable dangerously disruptive behavior in the name of “acceptance”, notwithstanding Matt. 25.”

Jesus himself didn’t turn away lepers because he was able to heal them, and because he probably knew how Hansen’s disease was and wasn’t contracted.

However, very few of us have Jesus’ power of instant healing. Nowhere do we see Jesus saying that others should carelessly expose themselves to contageous diseases, or carelessly put themselves in harms way, or enable situations dangerous to public safety. Jesus loved everyone, but he didn’t practice sentimental, sloppy agape.

As a retired SPED teacher, I’ve long been aware of Matt 25: 31-45 (“Whatsoever you do to one of these….), which is one reason I became a teacher. I’m not insensitive to the inclusionary needs of special needs children. But my first responsibility was to protect the health and safety of all the children at all times, which is also Fr. Walz’s responsibility.

As a teacher, I’ve seen many parents who will do anything to either deny or justify their children’s behavior. I strongly suspect that Adam’s mother is one such parent in denial, intensified by an activist mentality. I question whether the church environment isn’t causing Adam sensory overload.

Zealous activists are all too quick to accept her version of events and vilify Fr. Walz to advance their political agenda. In their sloppy-agape version of “inclusion”, they fail to realize that this particular boy’s out-of-control behavior does not belong in this particular setting.

I read that Fr. Walz sponsored an all-night Adoration of the Blessed Sacrament for the Race family. We must actively pray for all involved.
 
I read that Fr. Walz sponsored an all-night Adoration of the Blessed Sacrament for the Race family. We must actively pray for all involved.

That is beautiful. I agree - and will pray for the Race family.
 
Considering the scandal the Church has just been through, can you imagine the outrage if the Priest didn’t do something?

I can imagine those headlines. “Priest covers up possible sexual assault of child by another parishoner” or “Yet another case where the Church refuses to report possible abuse”
Oh yea, I can just imagine. :rolleyes:
 
I think this is a difficult situation for all parties involved.

However, I think that Fr. Walz did what he felt he had to do to protect his other parishoners. Adam’s parents refused the accommodations that were offered to allow the family to fulfill their Mass obligation while still protecting the other parishoners, so Fr. was faced with the difficult choice of protecting his parishioners or offending one family. He chose to protect his parishoners.

I thought the following quote from this article spoke volumes:
Race said the only accommodation Walz offered the family was to have her son observe Mass through closed circuit television in the church basement.
She said the option was not acceptable because her son is afraid of television and her religious objections to closed circuit television.
First of all, it seems that more accommodation have been offered than the one Race mentions, so it seems she is twisting the truth to gain sympathy. Secondly, SHE has a religious objection to closed circuit television, and because SHE has the objection, she thinks it’s okay to put other parishoners in danger. That seems to be a very selfish attitude.

I feel very sorry for the family and sympathetic towards their plight. But to be frank, Adam is a danger to others right now. It’s not his fault, but parishoners shouldn’t have to feel afraid of going to Mass or have to put themselves in a potentially dangerous situation by going to Mass. If, God forbid, anything ever happened, the church could be sued for not protecting its parishoners.

I will pray for the family and the church. I hope a peaceful resolution can be found.
 
Beckers you need to get off YOUR high horse, because you apparently have read NOTHING of the other side of the story if you think this comes down to a woman not cooperating with the priest. According to her, the opposite is true.

According to her, the priest refused mediation with a pastor from a Protestant church over the issue, and the priest refused any accommodations that would allow Adam to attend Mass.
Herein lies part of the problem. You choose to believe the woman (whom you do not know and have never met) and most Catholics will give the benefit of the doubt to God’s clergy, the Priest. I am not saying the woman is a liar, however, if one is to believe her, then that makes the Priest a liar. It puzzles me how quickly a Catholic such as yourself is so willing to choose somebody/anybody over a Priest in God’s Church. Of course, there are bad Priests, but a good general rule to follow is to believe the Priest a Godly man until otherwise being proven wrong. You, for whatever reason, choose to see the Priest as being wrong in this situation without having any more information than what is provided for in a news article or 3-minute television story. And then you come in here and call us “unchristian?!” You are so influenced by the world around you that I am afraid that you have missed the boat. In that I have recognized you as being biased against clergy, I no longer will discuss this with you. God bless and I hope someday you overcome your prejudices.
 
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