Church changed Sabbath to Sunday?

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Archbishop 10-K:
I have a rosary that I got from a friend (who I converted) and I’m working on memorizing it.

It was about a year ago… now that I think about it, this might seem like a really strange story.

Okay, here it goes:

I was working on a science fiction novel of mine. One of the main characters needed to be a clergyman of some sort. I didn’t want to use the stereotypical pagan priest/wizard, or invent a lame new religion, and a Protestant minister was too bland. So I made this character into a Catholic priest. As I was developing the story, I did a lot of research on the Catholic priesthood in order to make the guy more believeable. Researching the priesthood led to researching the sacraments and the hierarchy, then the Church itself, and then her doctrines, and on and on and on. I was consumed. Eventually, I wanted to be a priest myself. I’m working on discerning that vocation, so I’m not jumping to conclusions, but all that research just to write this book instigated a religious revival in myself, so I did some truth-search. Not surprisingly, I came to the Catholic Church. That’s my story.
That’s an amazing story there. I’m very happy to see you accept the Graces that God has given you and run with them back to Rome.
 
Archbishop 10-K:
Thanks, but I’ve already read those. The first one provides quotes by the Church Fathers, but remember, to many Protestants, including SDAs, the Church Fathers do not matter. Also, that page doesn’t answer my question: if the Church didn’t change it, who did?
Of course it does not matter to them it proves them wrong.
 
" have to go because I’m only 16 and I don’t have a car. My whole family is SDA. It’s as simple as that.When I want to go to a real Mass, I have to walk to the Catholic church down the street.

Know one has congratulated you on showing such devotion so let me be the first to say good job to you .🙂
Hey at least it’s not to far.😃
 
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burnside:
Acts 20:7,1 and Corinthians 16:2 refer to the first day of the week as the Lord’s Day.
In my Bible, neither one of these verses refer to the first day of the week as “The Lord’s Day”. P.S. Can anyone find scripture where the Sabbath is referred to as the “Lord’s Day”? I understand that the term the “Lord’s Day” refers to Sunday, a day that was popular for the Roman Pagans to worship Apollo, the Sun god/deity who they referred to as their “lord”.
 
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Stylite:
Good point. 👍 Very easy to show otherwise using the St. Justin Martyr quote you provided.
I am sorry, I did not see the quote ??? By the way, who is St. Justin Martyr?
 
I was working on a science fiction novel of mine. One of the main characters needed to be a clergyman of some sort. I didn’t want to use the stereotypical pagan priest/wizard, or invent a lame new religion, and a Protestant minister was too bland. So I made this character into a Catholic priest. As I was developing the story, I did a lot of research on the Catholic priesthood in order to make the guy more believeable. Researching the priesthood led to researching the sacraments and the hierarchy, then the Church itself, and then her doctrines, and on and on and on. I was consumed. Eventually, I wanted to be a priest myself. I’m working on discerning that vocation, so I’m not jumping to conclusions, but all that research just to write this book instigated a religious revival in myself, so I did some truth-search. Not surprisingly, I came to the Catholic Church. That’s my story.

Your story is very powerful. I teach 9th grade Catholic kids at CCD. I teach them apologetics. Many of them are very laid back and don’t appreciate their faith. May I use your story as an inspiration to get them to be thankful for the gift they have and maybe even a little more proactive on their part.

I will pray for you and your journey. I hope someday you are given the gift of the priesthood. Our Lady would love you to be her son.
God bless.
 
My dad was an S.D.A. they also cant eat pork believe the pope is the anti-christ and the church is the whore of babylon. They get most of their stuff from a self proclaimed visonary Ellen Gould White. Sunday as opposed to the sabbath for worship is backed up in scriptures in 1 Cor. 16:2,Col. 2:16,Acts 20:7 and Rev. 1;10. They seem to be more O.T. bound then N.T. They also believe in sola scriptura, so maybe those bible quotes above might help.
 
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usherMike:
My dad was an S.D.A. they also cant eat pork believe the pope is the anti-christ and the church is the whore of babylon. They get most of their stuff from a self proclaimed visonary Ellen Gould White. Sunday as opposed to the sabbath for worship is backed up in scriptures in 1 Cor. 16:2,Col. 2:16,Acts 20:7 and Rev. 1;10. They seem to be more O.T. bound then N.T. They also believe in sola scriptura, so maybe those bible quotes above might help.
I am not a S.D.A. I have never been a member of any church. Each of the scriptures you provide only give a vague hint at the idea of worshipping on Sunday (the first day). In one, it only appears to be out of necessity since the disciples were on a voyage and were about to separate.

Since you seem to give more heedance to the N.T than the O.T. could you explain how the Catholics believe that authority was given to Peter to build a church by Jesus (Matthew 16:18) and just a few verses later (Matthew 16:23) Jesus tells him “Get thee behind me Satan…” Perhaps you guys don’t believe that particular verse…it would really put a big question mark on how much authority the catholic church has after all in matters relating to Jesus Christ???
 
Archbishop 10-K:
Needed to resurrect this thread and get more replies.

On another note, I was at my mom’s SDA church today, and the sermon was all about the Pope being the Antichrist and the Church being the little horn described in Daniel. I had to listen to this tripe (coming from a 15-year old speaker, nonetheless) for 40 minutes! Complete with Powerpoint! ARGH!
I feel so bad for you, it makes me sad:( to think of how difficult this is for you. I will do what I can to find information to help you, but it may be out of your control, if these people you love are immersed in this sensationalism. The best thing you can do is continue to pray for them to see the Truth in the Catholic Church and be ready with apologetics when needed. I know this must be very painful for you. I would never go back to that chuch and put yourself through that again.

God Bless you,
Peace
 
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truthseeker1:
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Since you seem to give more heedance to the N.T than the O.T. could you explain how the Catholics believe that authority was given to Peter to build a church by Jesus (Matthew 16:18) and just a few verses later (Matthew 16:23) Jesus tells him “Get thee behind me Satan…” Perhaps you guys don’t believe that particular verse…it would really put a big question mark on how much authority the catholic church has after all in matters relating to Jesus Christ???
Yes, of course we believe that particular verse… we believe *all *verses of Scripture! Jesus did rebuke Peter for his sin. No one ever said the Popes are superhuman, with no sin! He didn’t mean that Peter was actually Satan, but that his lack of Faith, his sin was Satan. Yet after the resurrection, Jesus confirmed Peter as the head of the Church. Popes, like Peter, are capable of sin. Despite this, the pope is still given authority to lead the Church.

After the resurrection,
Jesus said to Simon Peter, ***‘feed my lambs’…‘tend my sheep’… feed my sheep.’ John 21:15-17 ***

Related verses: Matt. 16:19; John 21:15-17; Is. 22:15-25; Luke 22:31

Please read these and give them some serious thought, or don’t you believe these particular verses?

I often wonder if that particular verse helps us to remember that authourity figures in the Chuch are only human, capable of sin.
PEACE
 
The SDAs are really not Christians at all. They are a hybrid of Jewish and Christian theologies.

Besides insisting on the observance of the Jewish Sabbath, they also keep Kosher differentiatiating between “clean and unclean” meats (when they eat meat at all, a lot of them are vegan).

They insist on keeping the Jewish law, and do not differentiate between the Old and New Testaments.

They beleive in “soul sleep” that when we die we are completely dead, without a soul until the ressurection.

They believe that Jesus and the Archangel Micheal are the same person.

The most important difference is that they beleive that their foundress Ellen G White was an inspired “prophetess”, the “voice of prophecy” and they put her writtings on the same level as the Bible, even though the majority of her writtings were plagarised, and filled with outright lies about the CC and huge historical innaccuracies.

They forbid their women to wear makeup of any kind, and no jewelry, including wedding rings.

Besides the usual fundamentalist strictures against drinking, smoking, dancing and card playing, they also forbid the consumption of tea and coffee.
 
By the way, who is St. Justin Martyr?
St. Justin Martyr lived in the second century. He was a pagan who converted to Christianity and wrote books about the Christian faith to the Romans, to counter rumors about Christians being cannibals, infant sacrificers, etc. (because those rumors could bring persecutions.) As his name suggests, Justin Martyr was martyred under the reign of Emperor Marcus Aurelius.
Your story is very powerful. I teach 9th grade Catholic kids at CCD. I teach them apologetics. Many of them are very laid back and don’t appreciate their faith. May I use your story as an inspiration to get them to be thankful for the gift they have and maybe even a little more proactive on their part.
Yeah, all of the “Catholics” I know at school are actually atheists (they will deny God’s existence.) You can use my story anytime you want. You can ask me questions if you want.
Jesus tells him “Get thee behind me Satan…” Perhaps you guys don’t believe that particular verse…it would really put a big question mark on how much authority the catholic church has after all in matters relating to Jesus Christ???
In the Catholic calendar, every verse in the Bible is read over a course of 3 years (excepting stuff like geneaologies.) So, we don’t avoid Scriptural verses. Jesus was talking to Satan who was trying to influence Peter. And, in John 20, Jesus gives Peter a final commission (“feed my sheep”.)
Besides insisting on the observance of the Jewish Sabbath, they also keep Kosher differentiatiating between “clean and unclean” meats (when they eat meat at all, a lot of them are vegan).
Yeah, we have lunch after the worship service and there’s never any meat! It drives me nuts!
They insist on keeping the Jewish law, and do not differentiate between the Old and New Testaments.
Yeah, even though I’m pretty sure no SDAs have separate food cabinets or don’t wear clothes made of two fabrics.
They beleive in “soul sleep” that when we die we are completely dead, without a soul until the ressurection.
I’ve come to believe that this doctrine was invented for the sole purpose of denying the communion of saints.
They believe that Jesus and the Archangel Micheal are the same person.
I’ve heard that before (they interpret the scene of Michael casting the dragon out in Revelation to actually be Jesus.) My mom’s congregation is, thankfully, orthodox as far as the Trinity goes. Can’t say about the early Adventists, though.
The most important difference is that they beleive that their foundress Ellen G White was an inspired “prophetess”, the “voice of prophecy” and they put her writtings on the same level as the Bible, even though the majority of her writtings were plagarised, and filled with outright lies about the CC and huge historical innaccuracies.
Yeah, I’ve found quite a bit of historical inaccuracies. Ellen White bothers the heck out of me.
They forbid their women to wear makeup of any kind, and no jewelry, including wedding rings.
I think my congregation is liberal on this one. I see some people wearing jewelry.
 
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boppysbud:
The SDAs are really not Christians at all. They are a hybrid of Jewish and Christian theologies…
Actually SDA’s are Christian, albiet unorthodox.
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boppysbud:
Besides insisting on the observance of the Jewish Sabbath, they also keep Kosher differentiatiating between “clean and unclean” meats (when they eat meat at all, a lot of them are vegan)…
SDA’s do not keep Kosher, however, they do observe the law of clean and unclean foods. There are several other laws one would need to observe to be Kosher and SDA’s do not.
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boppysbud:
They insist on keeping the Jewish law, and do not differentiate between the Old and New Testaments…
SDA’s do not keep the Jewish Law, they keep VERY SMALL parts of it.
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boppysbud:
They beleive in “soul sleep” that when we die we are completely dead, without a soul until the ressurection…
True
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boppysbud:
They believe that Jesus and the Archangel Micheal are the same person…
True
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boppysbud:
The most important difference is that they beleive that their foundress Ellen G White was an inspired “prophetess”, the “voice of prophecy” and they put her writtings on the same level as the Bible, even though the majority of her writtings were plagarised, and filled with outright lies about the CC and huge historical innaccuracies…
EGW was not the founder or foundress of the denomination, it was actually founded by a group of men, however, she was influential in it’s development. SDA’s DO NOT put EGW’s writings in the same level of the Bible in their teachings. However, some fanatical SDA’s do.
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boppysbud:
They forbid their women to wear makeup of any kind, and no jewelry, including wedding rings…
This is not true. Women and men can wear wedding rings, and women can wear tasteful amounts of makeup. Other Jewlrey is discouraged.
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boppysbud:
Besides the usual fundamentalist strictures against drinking, smoking, dancing and card playing, they also forbid the consumption of tea and coffee.
Very True!!

🙂

Brandon
 
Archbishop 10-K:
Yeah, we have lunch after the worship service and there’s never any meat! It drives me nuts!.
ROTFL… I understand… SDA Potlucks or “fellowship lunches” are all foods that are either green or brown, and they put nuts in ***everything! ***
Archbishop 10-K:
Yeah, even though I’m pretty sure no SDAs have separate food cabinets or don’t wear clothes made of two fabrics…
SDA’s do not observe kosher laws and are not Kosher… 🙂
Archbishop 10-K:
I’ve come to believe that this doctrine was invented for the sole purpose of denying the communion of saints…
Interesting Idea…
Archbishop 10-K:
I’ve heard that before (they interpret the scene of Michael casting the dragon out in Revelation to actually be Jesus.) My mom’s congregation is, thankfully, orthodox as far as the Trinity goes. Can’t say about the early Adventists, though…
That is true, and the SDA Teaching on the Trinity is Orthodox. However, you are correct, historically this has not been the case. The book “Issues” on splinter SDA Groups, published by the SDA Church GC discusses a little of this history.
Archbishop 10-K:
Yeah, I’ve found quite a bit of historical inaccuracies. Ellen White bothers the heck out of me…
She was wacko… I hate to say it… but she was wacko. Even while SDA I had a hard time with her… Her favorite topics were “Self Abuse” and Roman Catholicim.
Archbishop 10-K:
I think my congregation is liberal on this one. I see some people wearing jewelry.
Many SDA’s are starting to wear jewlry, however, it is discouraged by the church. Although the church does allow wearing a wedding band and makeup if done tastefully.

Brandon
 
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Peace-bwu:
After the resurrection,
Jesus said to Simon Peter, ***‘feed my lambs’…‘tend my sheep’… feed my sheep.’ John 21:15-17 ***

Related verses: Matt. 16:19; John 21:15-17; Is. 22:15-25; Luke 22:31

Please read these and give them some serious thought, or don’t you believe these particular verses?

I often wonder if that particular verse helps us to remember that authourity figures in the Chuch are only human, capable of sin.
PEACE
Hello, thanks for your response. Yes I believe these verses, but I do not believe that Simon Peter had any more “authority” than any other disciple. When Jesus tells Peter to feed his lambs and tend his sheep, he is talking about Peter spreading the news to the Jews that Jesus Christ is indeed the Son of God.

Paul was another man doing this work. He had the keys to kingdom as well, because like Peter (in Matt 16: 13 - 19) he acknowledged that Jesus was the Son of God.

Jesus Christ is the Rock that the REAL church is built upon, not Peter.

1 Corinthians 10:4
“And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.”

and 1 Corinthians 3: 11
“For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ”

Seek Truth.
 
Brandon from Utah … sounds awfully familiar:) .

Did you use to post on SDA debate @ BeliefNet?
 
Brandon you are correct in that SDAs do not keep kosher in so far as seperate dishes, sinks, etc. for meat and milk and they do not kosher their meats by salting and rinsing them.

But they do not eat pork or shellfish, a lot further than many of my Jewish friends go who eat anything they please lol.

So I guess we agree.

How can you live without reading Andrew Cyrus?:whacky: :bigyikes:
 
From newadvent.org:

Sunday is often spoken of as “the Christian sabbath,” but this is not a technical description. Sunday is not a strict replacement for the sabbath (which has been abolished), but a day the Church instituted to fulfill a parallel function. Thus Ignatius of Antioch, the earliest Church Father to address this question, states that Christian converts “have given up keeping the sabbath and now order their lives by the Lord’s Day instead, the day when life first dawned for us, thanks to him [Christ] and his death.” (Letter to the Magnesians 9 [A.D. 107]).

And some more:

newadvent.org/cathen/14335a.htm
 
it doesnt matter wot day we praise god cos we shud be praisn him all the time
 
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kpnuts2k:
it doesnt matter wot day we praise god cos we shud be praisn him all the time
That, I agree.
But we are also obliged to set aside one day for the Lord, otherwise how could you explain the second commandment, “Keep holy the Lord’s day.”?
 
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