Church Exorcist and Pro Life Priest Warns Against Harry Potter

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No, but the argument is that ANY use of witch craft is evil, Satanic, welcomes in demons, etc, so the extent doesn’t actually matter.
Well, I am not very familiar with the Narnia movies or Tolkein, so I cannot comment much. From what I perceive, these other films do not use witches students, witch schools, and witch teachers as a major premise in their stories.
 
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Do you think that exposing our children to a constant diet of magic wands and fairies and witches etc during their most fomative years is intentional?
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Constant? With AR books and Book It in schools, kids are required to read a set number of books each month and encouraged to read beyond that number. Any parent who lets their child read nothing but one genre is not doing their job well.

That is the bottom line: Parents need to do their job.
What would you who dislike Harry Potter want to do about parents who do not do their job?
 
Well, we are all sinners. And we are all attacked through the passions on a daily basis. We fall and we get back up. I am certainly not one to call you or anyone else a sinner because I am the worst of all sinners. But I happen to believe that the Potter series is a gateway to something sinister, so I will not permit my children to consume these books or movies. Since the Catholic Church has not come out with a definitive comment about the subject, I would say that it is between you and your Spiritual Father and/or Confessor.

**Which is my main point. The OP made it seem like she was the one being attacked, which she may have been on another thread, but came out in an accusatory manner, at least that was how I felt. Our point is that the Church does not speak authoritatively on the matter, so it is up to the individual. Some people who have not read the books agree blindly with Fr. Eutenener, and we wanted to know why when a Bishop has come out and said Harry Potter is not the real threat. And those people are entitled to their position, we just think its unfair to condemn the whole series as evil, which means evil for everyone, when the Church hasn’t said so and we present support for our opinions whenever we have been asked too **

Ouch! I would have much to say about that since I am staunchly pro-life. 😉
As am I, but my point is that ‘knowing a lot of people who support an idea’ doesn’t make the idea right.
 
What would you who dislike Harry Potter want to do about parents who do not do their job?
Yes. I am opposed to Potter.

Who am I to judge whether a parent is doing their job or not?

Raising children is not easy.
 
my point is that ‘knowing a lot of people who support an idea’ doesn’t make the idea right.
That is why it is best to be obedient to one’s spiritual father/confessor.

Blessed Nativity to you!

Christ is Born!
Glorify Him!
 
Well, I am not very familiar with the Narnia movies or Tolkein, so I cannot comment much. From what I perceive, these other films do not use witches students, witch schools, and witch teachers as a major premise in their stories.
Why are you so hung up on the specifics? We aren’t arguing that, and neither are the anti-Potter people. The point is that books, geared towards children/young adults (as HP, Chronicles of Narnia, and the Lord of the Rings all are) uses magic, both for good and for evil, but only one series of those books and not the others are condemned.

One can even argue that the ‘excessive’ (thats the best adjective I can think of for how you would describe it) use of witch craft only furthers the fact that these books are purely fiction, thus preventing anyone from ‘confusing’ them with reality - a point that has been argued by other posters, though not necessarily yourself.
 
That is why it is best to be obedient to one’s spiritual father/confessor.

Blessed Nativity to you!

Christ is Born!
Glorify Him!
Well, fortunately for me, my priest/Confessor does not find object to me reading fiction for the sake of fiction.
 
Why are you so hung up on the specifics?
You call it specifics…I call it witch craft.
these books are purely fiction, thus preventing anyone from ‘confusing’ them with reality
I do not overlook something which promotes the idea of witch craft simply because it is a work of fiction.

BTW–Who is the bishop who has given the thumbs up for Harry Potter?
 
Yes. I am opposed to Potter.

Who am I to judge whether a parent is doing their job or not?

Raising children is not easy.
You appear to be negatively judging people who allow their kids to read Harry Potter insisting it leads them to Satan.

Satan is not helpless, he doesn’t use just one little thing otherwise we wouldn’t have a wide variety of vices. What is attractive to one person is not to another. Gambling isn’t the least attractive to me…nor is drunkenness. Neglecting my duties by being on the computer seems to me to be the very thing Satan uses to cause havoc in my life and ironically enough he is doing a very good job with this group causing disharmony.
 
You appear to be negatively judging people who allow their kids to read Harry Potter insisting it leads them to Satan.
Wrong. Stop putting words in my mouth. I will not permit my children to consume these things and I am telling you my reasons. If you do not like my reasons, you do not have to read it or respond.

Others will do what they feel is best for their children.
Satan is not helpless, he doesn’t use just one little thing otherwise we wouldn’t have a wide variety of vices.
Indeed!
Neglecting my duties by being on the computer seems to me to be the very thing Satan uses to cause havoc in my life and ironically enough he is doing a very good job with this group causing disharmony.
Then perhaps you should fast for a while from the internet?
 
Wrong. Stop putting words in my mouth. I will not permit my children to consume these things and I am telling you my reasons. If you do not like my reasons, you do not have to read it or respond.

Others will do what they feel is best for their children.
Indeed!
Then perhaps you should fast for a while from the internet?
Yeah

I find your tone offensive

Although my remark was tongue in cheek, I will take your pointedly unkind and unsolicited advice, don’t bother to reply
 
Since it is Father Eutener’s quote that receives so much attention, I thought it might be instructive to look for more evidence from Fr. Eutener. One important question I have is whether he has actually read the books. This is important, because while his condemnation is oft-repeated, the substance of his arguments is not.

Below is a recent interview that touches on this topic:

conversiondiary.com/2010/08/interview-with-exorcist-part-ii.html

I have excerpted some of the quotes for space considerations.
Q: I’ve noticed that you tend to get an extremely negative reaction when you say that the Harry Potter books are dangerous. Some folks hear that and think, “I know a lot of people who read Harry Potter and remained strong in their faith…and, conversely, they don’t know anyone who has read these books and gotten involved in the occult…?
I would encourage anyone who holds the beliefs mentioned above to read the articles by Michael O’Brien on Harry Potter and other occult phenomena…He holds that Harry Potter author J.K. Rowling writes out of a completely pagan worldview, and … the totally pagan mindset of the Harry Potter…onslaught is what is dangerous.
Fr. Eutener seems to rely strongly on Michael O’Brien, rather than arguing from his own knowledge. His chief criticism here is the worldview of J.K. Rowling, which Eutener says O’Brien has characterized as “completely pagan”. A critique of Rowling’s worldview, however, is not the same thing as a critique of her literature. If we are to judge literature as fit or unfit from the standpoint of the author’s worldview, we are into murky waters indeed. Take Tolstoy, for example. “Are we to judge War and Peace” by Tolstoy’s womanizing, his gambling, his wacky ideas of history, his sometimes depressive personality, or his mysticism? – or, can we read the texts and react to that?

He continues:
The Harry Potter series will not make a person demon possessed; it will, rather, normalize the existence of demons and infuse the occult language and imagery that celebrates them into the minds of the young. It is absolutely not true to say that this stuff doesn’t get people involved in the occult. Go and look at the Harry Potter section in Barnes and Noble and see what occult and witchcraft phenomena this series has spawned for our youth.
Now we start to get Father’s opinion, but also we start to diverge from the actual content of the texts. For instance, I don’t believe that “demons” figure at all in Harry Potter. The central evil character is a human (Voldemort). I am unaware of any demonic terminology used, but am certainly open to anyone who can show me this in the text. What is missing here is a big “for example…” Ditto on the “occult language”, unless somebody can show me that “expelliarmus”, “expecto patronum”, or “stupefy” are real pagan spells.
His second point seems to be an argument from geography, and might be paraphrased as: “Potter books are found on bookstore shelves near materials I disapprove of.”
It is also my contention that the vampire craze is a direct result of a decade of Harry. Pretty soon the Harry Potter generation, who are now a decade older, get bored with the childish “Hogwart School of Witchcraft and Wizardry” and spell casting, and they need a little more “mature” form of occult entertainment.
This point is interesting, because Eutener seems to have a tendency to lump Potter and “vampire books” in the same breath. I can’t defend the Twilight series - I have never read them. They are quite possibly horrible trash, but it is not fair to tag Rowling with someone else’s work.

To his point about proceeding from Potter to other works, the children of Potter could just as well grow up to read Tolkien, MacDonald, Chesterton, Dostoevskii, Gogol, etc.
Q: What about other books that involve magic? A lot of people say, for example, that C.S. Lewis’ Chronicles of Narnia brought them closer to Jesus …?
Following from what I said above, I believe that the infiltration of pagan images and occult themes into the minds of our children has a devastating effect on them.
Tolkein’s (sic) and Lewis’s works come entirely out of a Christian worldview, despite the use of magic and some occult powers. In Lewis and Tolkein, the use of these preternatural powers is not ambiguous like it is in the Harry Potter series, and the figures who use them are either totally good and Christ-like…
I’m not sure who introduces the mis-spelling of “Tolkien” here (I’ll chalk it up to the blogger), but it speaks volumes to the (un-) familiarity a certain side of the debate has with this literature.

Here we are back to arguing the worldview of the author. An author’s worldview may or may not intrude on his story. If you think it does, it is up to you to first demonstrate what the author’s worldview is, and then show how it is reflected in the story.

The second part about the use of “preternatural powers” in Potter vs. Tolkien echoes O’Brien again. Father’s point about characters who are totally good vs. the ambiguity of Potter can be easily explained by the fact that Potter is human – he has strengths and weaknesses. Voldemort comes closest to being all bad, but even there, Harry is almost moved to pity the man he eventually comes to call by his human name “Tom”.

The bigger point here, though, is that Eutener/O’Brien has mis-characterized Potter magic, which is mechanistic. Potter magic has none of the mystical content that magic has in Tolkien.

In short, as far as Eutener is concerned, I find no evidence that he has read Potter. I do find evidence he has read O’Brien and probably Tolkien. I given that so many have been affected by his brief comments, I for one would be more impressed if his arguments relied more on his own analysis.
 
And, yes I did take this off my subscribed thread list, but it keeps bumping to the top of conversation. 🤷
 
To those of you tempted to advance the “author’s worldview” argument, try the following thought-experiment:

Anne Rice is probably the foremost example of “vampire fiction” around (Interview with a Vampire (abt. 1973?) pre-dates Potter by the way - so much for Potter leading to vampirism). She was for many years athiest/agnostic in her worldview. Some years ago she experienced a transformation, returned to the Catholic Church and professed a desire to be a Christian writer. She has subsequently renounced that transformation and now puports to have quit “organized religion”, while still retaining some Christian beliefs.

For purposes of our experiment, however, there was a period of some years where Rice’s putative worldview could be said to coincide with orthodox Catholic faith. Did that make her books somehow suddenly acceptable? Could you then read “Memnoch the Devil” and understand it in the context of a soul (the author) searching for answers? Could you ignore the frankly porno-graphic aspects of a lot of Anne Rice’s work (actually she wrote pornogrpahy under a pseudonym at one point)? Or, do you have to understand and deal with the texts themselves in your interpretation, since Rice’s worldview is mutable? Or, would you perhaps interpret works written in the “catholic period” as being acceptable and prior works as unacceptable?
 
Is Lord of the Rings about student witches who go to witch school being taught witchcraft by witch teachers?
 
So you are saying that in Harry Potter: The students are not witches. They do not attend a witch school. They are not learning spells and incantations being taught by other witches?

You are a hoot!
 
Do you think that exposing our children to a constant diet of magic wands and fairies and witches etc during their most fomative years is intentional?
How on earth is reading a book and/or watching a movie a ‘constant diet’? :confused:

Besides that, the parents should be balancing everything they do so that nothing is a ‘constant diet’ :mad:
 
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