Church Mariology making me nuts!

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Any CULT, even ones started and fostered by T. AQUINAS, many centuries after the last Revelations to the Apostles, …give me concerns.
Men have always had a knack/bad habit for wanting to ADD OR SUBTRACT to God’s Word.

Scripture warns not to err by… “worshipping the creature, rather than the CREATOR”
Please tell us just how the Catholic Church is ‘worshipping the creature’ by honoring Mary. Please. Really.

You cannot support this assertion because the Catholic Church nowhere in any way, shape or form refers to, teaches, fosters etc. in any way worship of Mary ‘rather than the Creator’.
 
U need to cite ur sources, on apostles & scripture…supporting Mary in the Meditrix role, via whom all grace flows to the Church.
Did Jesus Christ, who is all grace, come to us (the Church) through Mary (as a child born of a woman)?

Please answer yes or no.

All grace (Jesus Christ) has come to us (the Church --Militant, Suffering, and Triumphant) through Mary (from whom He was born). . .and there is just no denying it.

He could have chosen any other way but He chose to be born of a woman, and that choice means something. . .in fact it means MANY somethings.
 
U need to cite ur sources, on apostles & scripture…supporting Mary in the Meditrix role, via whom all grace flows to the Church.
The Mariology taught by the Magisterium of the Church, which is the Pillar and Foundation of Truth. (1 Tim 3:15)

As far of Mary, the vehicle by which all Grace flows, who is the Source of Grace and how did that Source of Grace enter into the world?
 
This thread started out a question about a person who was having trouble with the excesses of Marian spirituality.

But then it turned into a complete pile of hysterical devotional STUFF. Marianists just barge in and take over, running over everyone else. Completely typical.
 
This thread started out a question about a person who was having trouble with the excesses of Marian spirituality.

But then it turned into a complete pile of hysterical devotional STUFF. Marianists just barge in and take over, running over everyone else. Completely typical.
Yes, imagine that. Catholics defending the Church’s teachings on Mary 😛
 
Yes, imagine that. Catholics defending the Church’s teachings on Mary 😛
Yes, imagine that. People swooning over the gentleness of Mary while trampling over others to dominate the conversation.

But, again, this is typical. When the “Blue Army” shows up, the conversation is over.
 
But then it turned into a complete pile of hysterical devotional STUFF. Marianists just barge in and take over, running over everyone else. Completely typical.
Oh, and to the best of my knowledge, there are no clergy from the Society of Mary ( the Marianists) who post here.

marianist.com/
 
This thread started out a question about a person who was having trouble with the excesses of Marian spirituality.

But then it turned into a complete pile of hysterical devotional STUFF. Marianists just barge in and take over, running over everyone else. Completely typical.
Is that the impression you had? Because it was not the impression I had.

The impression I had is that a few users who claim to be Catholic but who have scarce-to-no knowledge of the cult of hyperdulia offered to Our Lady and a dramatically absolute lack of knowledge of the Sacred Tradition on the matter, started posting their own thoughts, some borderline heretic, and even accusing the faithful who display proper affection to the Blessed Virgin, calling them derogatory names and accusing them in unfair ways. This is a behavior, unfortunately, that is more proper from our protestant brethren or from pseudo-Christian cults, but that is extremely saddening when it is found in fellow Catholics.

I suggest in general to users to refrain from further disqualifying themselves with posts such as the one I quote. Silence is always a viable answer. Do remember that while salvation is found in Christ alone, and that it is good to inquire and to learn more about the Sacred Tradition, on the other hand to question the Sacred Tradition can be a way of impugning the revealed truth, a wide path towards big spiritual trouble.
 
Is that the impression you had? Because it was not the impression I had.

The impression I had is that a few users who claim to be Catholic but who have scarce-to-no knowledge of the cult of hyperdulia offered to Our Lady and a dramatically absolute lack of knowledge of the Sacred Tradition on the matter, started posting their own thoughts, some borderline heretic, and even accusing the faithful who display proper affection to the Blessed Virgin, calling them derogatory names and accusing them in unfair ways. This is a behavior, unfortunately, that is more proper from our protestant brethren or from pseudo-Christian cults, but that is extremely saddening when it is found in fellow Catholics.

I suggest in general to users to refrain from further disqualifying themselves with posts such as the one I quote. Silence is always a viable answer. Do remember that while salvation is found in Christ alone, and that it is good to inquire and to learn more about the Sacred Tradition, on the other hand to question the Sacred Tradition can be a way of impugning the revealed truth, a wide path towards big spiritual trouble.
Oh, well. There’s the sledge hammer. If you don’t worship Mary, you have to be quiet now. Right.

This thread was originally by an OP who said they were having trouble with the excesses of Marianism in the Church. I think that’s what this thread was originally supposed to be about. Thus, the title of the thread.

But I think that’s been resolved now. And so I leave you to your blinking pink boat-load of decorations and quotes. Have a great weekend.
 
Oh, well. There’s the sledge hammer. If you don’t worship Mary, you have to be quiet now. Right.

This thread was originally by an OP who said they were having trouble with the excesses of Marianism in the Church. I think that’s what this thread was originally supposed to be about. Thus, the title of the thread.

But I think that’s been resolved now. And so I leave you to your blinking pink boat-load of decorations and quotes. Have a great weekend.
The following is not directly intended at any specific user, though it is a reply to iloveangels.

No, the issue is that if one does not know what he/she is talking about, one should refrain from posting (or from posting with a certain attitude). At least, that is the way it works, even in the secular world. How much more should this apply in a field where things are rooted in twenty centuries of tradition and on a legitimate teaching authority discerning what is proper and what isn’t?

When users step in and pass judgments which set aside both the tradition and the statements of the teaching authority, that can lead to no good. Surely one may disagree to some extent with the teachings of the Church, but there is only so much one can do before this slips into a behavior that is not proper for Catholics.

I recommend more reading on the Sacred Tradition (which, as we all should know, is one with Sacred Scripture) so perhaps one day all may also be able to sustain their arguments with a few quotes from the people who built the Church, rather than solely with thin air 🤷

Enjoy the weekend 🙂
 
The following is not directly intended at any specific user, though it is a reply to iloveangels.

No, the issue is that if one does not know what he/she is talking about, one should refrain from posting (or from posting with a certain attitude). At least, that is the way it works, even in the secular world. How much more should this apply in a field where things are rooted in twenty centuries of tradition and on a legitimate teaching authority discerning what is proper and what isn’t?

When users step in and pass judgments which set aside both the tradition and the statements of the teaching authority, that can lead to no good. Surely one may disagree to some extent with the teachings of the Church, but there is only so much one can do before this slips into a behavior that is not proper for Catholics.

I recommend more reading on the Sacred Tradition (which, as we all should know, is one with Sacred Scripture) so perhaps one day all may also be able to sustain their arguments with a few quotes from the people who built the Church, rather than solely with thin air 🤷

Enjoy the weekend 🙂
I think you’re saying, “That’s an unpleasant characterization of what I really said, so I’m going to say the exact same thing with more words.”

Don’t you think this icon looks a little like McKayla Maroney? :cool:
 
I think you’re saying, “That’s an unpleasant characterization of what I really said, so I’m going to say the exact same thing with more words.”
I don’t know. Perhaps. But while I hardly see people taking the worship of Our Lady too far (with a few exceptions, ex. those who insist on certain recent apparitions despite the negative opinion of the Church, which is disobedience in my view), every time I am confronted by those who simply oppose any sort of veneration of Our Lady no matter how hard you try to explain, all it comes to mind is Ezekiel 12:2 🤷
Fili hominis, in medio domus exasperantis tu habitas, qui oculos habent ad videndum et non vident, et aures ad audiendum et non audiunt.
 
I don’t know. Perhaps. But while I hardly see people taking the worship of Our Lady too far (with a few exceptions, ex. those who insist on certain recent apparitions despite the negative opinion of the Church, which is disobedience in my view), every time I am confronted by those who simply oppose any sort of veneration of Our Lady no matter how hard you try to explain, all it comes to mind is Ezekiel 12:2 🤷
Oh nice. The boat shifts into 5th gear. In Latin, yet.
 
+JMJ+
Yes, even in internet forums, apparently. And even when beating people up for having legitimate but different views from you.
iloveangels, I may have overlooked these “legitimate but different views” while trying to answer brb3’s posts. What are these “legitimate but different views” on the Queen of Angels that you are talking about?
 
even when beating people up for having legitimate but different views from you.
There’s nothing better, especially when such views include calling Sacred Tradition “hysterical devotional stuff” and referring to some writings of a Doctor of the Church as a “cult”.

Legitimate? Sure. The Councils are full of “agreements to disagree” on “legitimate but different views:rolleyes:

The argument should not become personal, though. After all, we are members of one body, the mystical body of Christ. In general, as Catholics we ought to at least uphold this with regards to Our Lady.
 
+JMJ+

iloveangels, I may have overlooked these “legitimate but different views” while trying to answer brb3’s posts. What are these “legitimate but different views” on the Queen of Angels that you are talking about?
Amen! I’d love to hear these “legitimate but different views” myself!
 
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