Church Militant Report on SSPX Abuse Allegations

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As a Traditionalist and defender of SSPX I feel it is my duty to draw attention to others of the same persuasion to the attached report. Some of it is either old or uninteresting, but that still leaves some serious questions for SSPX to answer.
 
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I am no fan of the SSPX at all, but this is such an unreliable source that I’d want to see evidence of these accusations from somewhere more credible before relying on them too much.
 
From knowing a bit of info about Church Militant, I can assure you they’re reliable for things like this.
 
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I’m quite familiar with them. That’s why I made the comment I did.
 
I’m a little leery of the Church Militant as a source. Do you have any other articles that say the same thing?
Although I will say that this isn’t the first time SSPX has come under fire for abuse allegations.

EDIT: Church Militant report is a lot longer than I thought it’d be. I unfortunately don’t have the time to read it now, but from what I saw they apparently have at least some evidence.
I’d feel more comfortable if a more reputable organization could corroborate this story.
 
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I changed the title to reflect the topic. There is another thread just started on the same report. They should probably be combined.
 
You may not like CM but give an example of them reporting something that wasn’t true
 
I know that Michael Voris is no friend or supporter of the SSPX, but Church Militant has done some in depth investigation into the abuse scandals and corruption that have plagued our Church.

This just tells me that the wicked and evil men who carry out these vile acts can be found everywhere. So it doesn’t matter if it’s the SSPX, FSSP, or at the Vatican itself, this corruption needs to be brought to light and these men, along with those who cover it up, need to be removed.
 
I am from St. Mary’s and know many of the individuals personally that were cited in this article. I can confirm that 5 of the different cases they brought up in the article I have personally been aware of long before this article came out and they are 100% accurate in what they are reporting. This leads me to assume that the other cases brought up are true as well. It is very sickening and sad.
 
My question is this: if the sexual predation that’s been exposed in the post-VII church over the past 20 years was a result of homosexuals being allowed in seminaries, dogmas of the church being ignored, etc. (all popular theories), how then can there be predation that occurred in the FSSPX, which presumably was free of these errors?
 
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No, the policy was in place during a while of Pope Francis…though the policy has clearly changed to become a Pope-hating site.
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That is why I never go to CM any longer.
David55 said:
Since Mr. Voris can not answer the SSPX on doctrinal grounds he is looking to make another personal attack on the SSPX.
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I’m not saying these stories are not true, I do not know. Sadly men with perversions could easily get in to the SSPX the same as any other order. What the SSPX is doing about it would probably not be revealed to CM of all places.

Also, I find this an interesting article to appear after the recent Twitter debate between Marshall and Gordon which Voris was a stimulator and also had some comments in and then also Dr. Marshall mentioned in his recent SSPX video that he (and he said it charitably) disagreed with Voris.
gracepoole said:
the sexual predation that’s been exposed in the post-VII church over the past 20 years was a result of homosexuals being allowed in seminaries, dogmas of the church being ignored, etc.
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I wouldn’t say homosexuals got in the Church because dogmas were ignored but rather because they either hid their tendacies or went places where it was allowed. If they want to invade and destroy the Church the more traditional orders would be a place go.
 
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the sexual predation that’s been exposed in the post-VII church over the past 20 years was a result of homosexuals being allowed in seminaries, dogmas of the church being ignored, etc.
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I wouldn’t say homosexuals got in the Church because dogmas were ignored but rather because they either hid their tendacies or went places where it was allowed. If they want to invade and destroy the Church the more traditional orders would be a place go.
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Sorry – I meant homosexuals were allowed into seminaries, as suggested by Robert Rose in Goodbye, Good Men. I would think SSPX seminaries would have handled this differently. According to Rose, seminaries actively shut out traditional applicants in favor of those who denied Church teachings.
 
Thank you for sharing that. I’m definitely gonna be taking that into consideration when reading them. I’ve come across that story on more than one occasion reading their articles.
 
gracepoole said:
Sorry – I meant homosexuals were allowed into seminaries, as suggested by Robert Rose in Goodbye, Good Men . I would think SSPX seminaries would have handled this differently. According to Rose, seminaries actively shut out traditional applicants in favor of those who denied Church teachings.
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Yes, I have heard of that book. I haven’t read it but I think it is probably pretty true. I guess I just think those who got in probably got in a pretty deceptive way.
StudentMI said:
Thank you for sharing that. I’m definitely gonna be taking that into consideration when reading them. I’ve come across that story on more than one occasion reading their articles.
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Agree. Definitely read articles from CM with a grain of salt. Even their whole attitude toward the Church has become unkind and angry. I stay away.
 
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I hate to say it, and I hope these comments don’t offend but I’ll risk it:

Homosexuality has always existed among men as far as we know. I myself, having same sex attraction, know how ingrained it is, and I’ve expressed my struggles many times in confession. One priest I knew, God rest his soul and to anyone who would claim he wasn’t orthodox in beliefs I’ll argue til I run out of breath, told me his own opinion that there have probably been saints who struggled with the same issue.

That said, I think the priesthood once it became strictly for single men always attracted those with same sex attraction. It also attracted many heterosexual men of course, but I think it was a natural option for many who struggled. Why else would Dante have written of monks and priests in the circle of sodomites? It’s always been an issue. Even an article I read from a far left magazine quoted a priest who gave a talk at the height of the sex abuse scandals who said if you think the abuse began in the 50s you’re dead wrong.

In closing, homosexuality has always existed, I believe many priests and religious in the past experienced those attractions, and I don’t think the abuse issue just suddenly appeared in the 50s.
 
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StudentMI said:
In closing, homosexuality has always existed, I believe many priests and religious in the past experienced those attractions, and I don’t think the abuse issue just suddenly appeared in the 50s.
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I don’t either. I don’t know what created the sex abuse crisis. I only mentioned two theories that are often circulated and asked, well, if these theories don’t fit with the SSPX but, as we now know, there is a sex abuse crisis there too, what is the real cause of it?
 
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