Church of England lifts ban on gay bishops

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Yes, you are in wonderful hands with Pope Benedict, a dedicated and faithful servant of God and clearly not just a conservative.

The Church of England, and the general Protestant Christian nature of English society, is just dying, if not already dead. Her Majesty is clearly a devout woman - and rumour has it that it was by her wish that the Church be formally banned from conducting gay weddings - and she even preaches the Gospel every Christmas on TV. But it’s constitutionally difficult for her to intervene in Church law, even though like all British law it requires her formal approval as Supreme Governor.

It is a symptom of something bigger, going through the whole of our society. The militant anti Christian elements have basically taken over the whole establishment.

Genuine Christians in our church are occupying an evershrinking ghetto.The 1662 Prayer Book, still the formal legal service book, has been all but eliminated. Conservative priests are bullied and marginalized.

It’s such a shame, because when the compromise works, it works well. The evangelicals and catholics ended up often emphasizing the same important moral message. It was these two unlikely allies who defeated women bishops. But the great mass of PC liberals are grinding this great legacy into the dust.

The church’s decline correlates perfectly with the decline in national self belief, autonomy, prosperity and liberty of the British people. People not only don’t believe in God - they hate him too.
 
rfournier103 said:
I am very sad for you… I think you need our sympathy and not our scorn, as NONE of us were alive when Henry VIII founded the Church of England. I think it’s terrible that Her Majesty would allow such a thing to happen. She seems like such a strait-laced lady… Is the British Monarch still the Head of the Anglican Church? Does she get a say? Or has she granted her tacit approval?
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The Queen typically keeps her religious views private, but from what I have read she has orthodox Christian beliefs and has expressed concern to the Archbishop of Canterbury about the Anglican Communion’s current condition.

That being said, the Queen is only the Supreme Governor, not the head, of the Church of England. Politically, she is only a figurehead. She does not take part in the government of Britain. The same is the case ecclesiastically. Her religious role is mostly a figurehead role. The real decision making in the Church of England is made by the bishops and the General Synod.

The Queen has no role in the Church of England’s decision making.
 
JonNC said:
Possibly, but there are also continuing Anglican communions available that reject this, as well as LCMS Lutheranism, and Orthodoxy.

Jon
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The problem with the Continuing churches are that there are several different ones and they can’t agree on doctrine and unite as one.

I believe one of the largest groups even ordains women as priests and looks as if it will in the future go the way of TEC.

It is sad to say that many Anglicans at some point must make a choice as to where they will go. Whether one becomes Catholic or not, I can say from personal experience that I found peace within Her arms, there is one faith, although many may not follow it, the Church stands firm in its doctrines and no one can change them. Of course, disciplines are not doctrine and can be changed, but not the core Christian belief.

Our prayers should go out to those Anglicans who must decide where they stand and where the Holy Spirit is leading them.

Yours in the Hearts of Jesus and Mary

Bernadette
 
rfournier103 said:
I am very sad for you… I think you need our sympathy and not our scorn, as NONE of us were alive when Henry VIII founded the Church of England. I think it’s terrible that Her Majesty would allow such a thing to happen. She seems like such a strait-laced lady… Is the British Monarch still the Head of the Anglican Church? Does she get a say? Or has she granted her tacit approval?
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The Monarch is the Supreme Governor of the Church of England, per the Act of Supremacy of 1559. This position is titular and the effective authority is nil.

Added: IOW, ltwin is correct, adding that the Parliamentarian role is significant.

GKC
 
BernadetteM said:
The problem with the Continuing churches are that there are several different ones and they can’t agree on doctrine and unite as one.

I believe one of the largest groups even ordains women as priests and looks as if it will in the future go the way of TEC.

It is sad to say that many Anglicans at some point must make a choice as to where they will go. Whether one becomes Catholic or not, I can say from personal experience that I found peace within Her arms, there is one faith, although many may not follow it, the Church stands firm in its doctrines and no one can change them. Of course, disciplines are not doctrine and can be changed, but not the core Christian belief.

Our prayers should go out to those Anglicans who must decide where they stand and where the Holy Spirit is leading them.

Yours in the Hearts of Jesus and Mary

Bernadette
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If the reference to ordaining females is to the ACNA, it is a contentious subject with them. But officially, they are not Continuers, considering themselves to be still part of the Communion.

GKC
 
I spoke to a priest before mass earlier who basically told me he doesn’t believe there’s a hope for us any more. He basically said we should just go to Rome and keep quiet about our beliefs on universal jurisdiction, infallibility, the Marian dogmas and other things besides and just go to Rome because at least they will still have the apostolic succession and a Eucharist.

It was heartbreaking to hear, but he might be right.
 
Indifferently said:
I spoke to a priest before mass earlier who basically told me he doesn’t believe there’s a hope for us any more. He basically said we should just go to Rome and keep quiet about our beliefs on universal jurisdiction, infallibility, the Marian dogmas and other things besides and just go to Rome because at least they will still have the apostolic succession and a Eucharist.

It was heartbreaking to hear, but he might be right.
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I can’t see how. It is one thing to be a RC, and a perhaps a bad RC, at that. Certainly I’m a bad Anglican, being human and all.

But that sounds very much like an exhortation to be a dishonest RC. Not quite the thing, when receiving the Eucharist.

GKC
 
GKC said:
I can’t see how. It is one thing to be a RC, and a perhaps a bad RC, at that. Certainly I’m a bad Anglican, being human and all.

But that sounds very much like an exhortation to be a dishonest RC. Not quite the thing, when receiving the Eucharist.

GKC
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I need to do some serious thinking. I know a lot of Anglicans who feel the same way, but they are all getting old. Only the HTB crowd is young and orthodox, to an extent, but I can’t stand happyclappy music with no proper liturgy.
 
Indifferently said:
I need to do some serious thinking. I know a lot of Anglicans who feel the same way, but they are all getting old. Only the HTB crowd is young and orthodox, to an extent, but I can’t stand happyclappy music with no proper liturgy.
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When I was in England I attended a Catholic Mass and there was no happy clappy music.

You might want to actually read what the Catholic Church really teaches and speak to a priest. Also there might be an Ordinariate parish in an area close to you.

Of course one doesn’t enter the Catholic Church or any church without full knowledge from the Church doctrines and beliefs that come from the Church.

There is much misunderstanding on what the Catholic Church teaches and where their doctrines originate from so second hand sources are not the way to learn.

I am a former member of the Anglican Communion (TEC) and I am very blessed to be Catholic. I also attend an Ordinariate parish when possible.

God Bless

Bernadette
 
Indifferently said:
I spoke to a priest before mass earlier who basically told me he doesn’t believe there’s a hope for us any more. He basically said we should just go to Rome and keep quiet about our beliefs on universal jurisdiction, infallibility, the Marian dogmas and other things besides and just go to Rome because at least they will still have the apostolic succession and a Eucharist.

It was heartbreaking to hear, but he might be right.
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Perhaps it would be appropriate to attend RCIA. This is no pressure to join and would give one time for discernment. One should not join the church while holding such doubts…
 
Indifferently said:
I need to do some serious thinking. I know a lot of Anglicans who feel the same way, but they are all getting old. Only the HTB crowd is young and orthodox, to an extent, but I can’t stand happyclappy music with no proper liturgy.
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Where in the UK are you? In my area of London (Edmonton Diocese) there are lots of traditional Anglican churches (BCP, CW or Roman Rite) that have traditonal theology, great choral music and hymnody and thriving congregations. Some, but not all are under the jurisdiction of the Bishop of Fulham, but of course neither the Bishops of Edmonton or London will ordain women. We have great relations with these churches through the “churches together” programme. My prayers and thoughts are with you brother.
 
It is easy to pile on one who is down to use a football metaphor.There ae a great many observant Anglicans and yes members of the Episcopal Church who are disheartend by the goings on. I do believe that his entire process needs to run its course in the former influential Church. Once the rules were changed -in this case initially the ordination of women what is happening now became inevitable. I am not saying that the ordination of women was wrong however. The Lutheran Church is beginning this process, at least the ECUSA, and should view the Anglican process with alarm.

Catholics-Lutherand & Anglicans really share the same Faith:(
 
Well the issue of woman’s ordination was not the primary point of my Post-Basically each Church needs to set its own Policy (can substitute teaching)-The Roman Catholic Church has its own teaching which is accepted by most of its members and likewise the Episcopal and Lutheran Churches have their own positions-those that disagree in these Churches often leave to a similiar but estrogen free Pulpit like the Anglican Church in North America or the MIssouri Synod

If one can live in a Church with a teaching that one disagrees with one stays -if not one leaves-I suspect in each of the above Churches most disagree with some teaching but choose to stay:)
 
cmodrmac said:
Well the issue of woman’s ordination was not the primary point of my Post-Basically each Church needs to set its own Policy (can substitute teaching)-The Roman Catholic Church has its own teaching which is accepted by most of its members and likewise the Episcopal and Lutheran Churches have their own positions-those that disagree in these Churches often leave to a similiar but estrogen free Pulpit like the Anglican Church in North America or the MIssouri Synod

If one can live in a Church with a teaching that one disagrees with one stays -if not one leaves-I suspect in each of the above Churches most disagree with some teaching but choose to stay:)
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If one disagrees with a policy that, in this case, results in invalid sacraments, it makes staying and disagreeing a futile exercise. It would seem.

GKC

Anglicanus-Catholicus
 
ajecphotos said:
Gay bishops! What next?
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I an a way, I would say this Church of England measure is worse than Gay bishops!

If a Bishop has same-sex attraction and he’s celibate, then I don’t care. (In fact he’s a role model.)

If a Bishop has same-sex attraction and he’s engaging in persistent fornication, then that’s bad.

If a Bishop has same-sex attraction and he’s claiming to not be engaging in persistent fornication but is claiming to be in a celibate non-sexual relationship with a partner that just happens to coincidentally also have same-sex attraction and we’re all supposed to think this isn’t preposterous, then that’s really bad, not only for the bishop but for those that maintain the farce.
 
Church of England lifts ban on gay bishops.

that is the topic,what i cannot get my head around is this.if you are gay,you are gay.if you are a ex-gay then thats another thing.

you cannot hid behind this title of being gay,but not doing the actions.its madness in my view.

drunk…ex- drunk.

druggie…ex-druggie.

smoker…ex-smoker.

but this is saying
gay…gay.

or is this just me?
 
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