church pastor says I can't kneel

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Podo2005 said:
So… why can’t you just stand? You’d get to read and there is nothing wrong with standing with the rest of the community
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  1. Because we are instructed to kneel by the bishops.
  2. I like kneeling before the Lord.
 
Kendy said:
I go to mass every morning where everyone stands during the consecration. I always kneel. recently, I asked if I could be a lector one day a week. At first, the pastor said yes, but a week later, he said, if I wanted to read, I would have to set a good example by standing like everyone else. When I said, I would rather not read. I was accused of wanting to be holier than the parish.

I am very sad. 😦
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Cheerup. Pastors are human and can be idiots. It’s just an indication that they need our prayer more than ever. Don’t stop kneeling. It’s OK to show reverence before the Eucharist. You would think that half the Church didn’t think God was there. You most likely didn’t start because of what people thought, so don’t stop because of what they think either.

Maybe your Pastor’s reaction is some healthy guilt of his own that he needs to come to terms with. Pray for him, maybe even on your knees.
 
Kendy said:
What’s the deal with kneeling anyway. Why have so many people picked this battle? What are their reasons?

Kendy
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Because the General Instruction of the Roman Missal is the governing LAW for the Mass, and it says these:
  1. …
    ** In the dioceses of the United States of America, they should kneel beginning after the singing or recitation of the Sanctus**Amen of the Eucharistic Prayer, ** until after the except when prevented on occasion by reasons of health, lack of space, the large number of people present, or some other good reason. Those who do not kneel ought to make a profound bow when the priest genuflects after the consecration.
  2. …
    Nevertheless, the priest must remember that he is the servant of the Sacred Liturgy and that **he himself is not permitted, on his own initiative, to add, to remove, or to change anything in the celebration of Mass.
**A simple analysis tells us that
  1. A priest may not change anything of the Mass; and
  2. The GIRM specifically commands kneeling for the Eucharistic Prayer.
One word: obedience.

THAT’s why people take up the battle on kneeling.
 
Olivermax said:
I can’t remember when it is appropriate to kneel according to the missal, but if it turns out the priest is in error, I would email the Bishop and ask him for clarification.
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Right after the Holy, Holy Holy Keel

After the Great Amen (Priest says Through Him With Him and In Him In the Unity of The Holy Spirit All Glory and Honor Is Yours Almighty Father…(Great Amen) Then Stand

After the Lamb of God Kneel Again until after you recieve Jesus and after the Priest sits down you sit down.
 
Kendy, can you answer my question in post #60?..

Is this just during the weeday masses or on Sunday too…?
 
Semper_Fi said:
In the Latin Rite we kneel at certain points of the Mass to worship Jesus Christ’s real presence in the Holy Eucharist. The priest is acting in persona Christi when he consecrates the bread and wine into the real body and blood of Our Lord. If the Priest is telling his congregation not to kneel when the GIRM specifically tells us to, one has to wonder about his commitment to the Church. Is he denying the real presence?
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It might come as a shock to some, but there are people out there who can distinguish between a discipline and a doctrine. They may be wrong in their attitude towards a discipline, or wrong in their perception of the exercise of authority by Rome. However, being stubborn about a discipline, or wrong headed, or ill taught about rubrics has nothing to do with belief or lack of belief in doctrine.

In fact, one of the reported Eucharistic Miracles was to a priest who was following the rubrics quite well, but suffering from severe doubt about the True Presence. One simply has nothing much to do with the other.

To ask the question you asked comes across almost as a “did we get another one?” response. There are darn few priests staying in the priesthood who don’t believe in the True Presence but a fair number who either were not taught proper rubrics, or were infected somewhere along the way with a disdain for authority.

This priest is an Alter Christus. You might keep that in mind when you ask such questions. I find the question hardly conducive to maintaining any posititve attitude to this priest; I would suggest that his ordination gives him some dignity whether he acts in a dignified manner or not.

And it strikes me that St Paul said we are all sinners. While the priest is wrong as to his rubrics, are we so far above sin that we dare go around asking if he has lost his faith?
 
chicago said:
Some would argue that standing is legitimzed by longstanding practice as a “local custom”.
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“Local Custom” was never meant to apply to individual parishes; in canon law it applies to the customs of a DIOCESE that have been going on at least 20 years.
 
Perhaps asking why the pastor is picking this battle against kneelers.

Lux
 
otjm said:
It might come as a shock to some, but there are people out there who can distinguish between a discipline and a doctrine. …
And it strikes me that St Paul said we are all sinners. While the priest is wrong as to his rubrics, are we so far above sin that we dare go around asking if he has lost his faith?
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Good reminders for those who equate this with saints who refused to sin.

While kneeling is wonderful, standing is not terrible. It is the prayer posture of the resurrection.

Disrespect and bad-mouthing are wrong, and insinuating a loss of faith really crosses the line. We are given instructions on how to handle something we feel is an abuse.

Lux
 
Lux_et_Tenebrae said:
Good reminders for those who equate this with saints who refused to sin.

While kneeling is wonderful, standing is not terrible. **It is the prayer posture of the resurrection.**Lux
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Not quite true.

Here is St. Paul’s posture of prayer (Eph 3 14-17)
For this reason I kneel before the Father, from whom his whole family in heaven and on earth derives its name. I pray that out of his glorious riches he may strengthen you with power through his Spirit in your inner being, so that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith.
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And he even describes the posture taken by those in Heaven
Therefore God exalted him to the highest place
and gave him the name that is above every name,
that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
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Are they not Ressurected in Heaven? If so, they why do the Saints kneel?

And we even see that the Ressurected Saints in Heaven not only kneel, but even prostrate themselves to worship God.
the twenty-four elders **fall down before Him **who sits on the throne, and worship him who lives for ever and ever. They lay their crowns before the throne and say:
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“You are worthy, our Lord and God,
to receive glory and honor and power,
for you created all things,
and by your will they were created
and have their being.”."
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If standing is the posture of the Ressurection, somebody forgot to tell those who actually ARE Ressurected.

They still kneel at the the name of Christ, but this priest would rather us NOT imitate the Saints? That’s rather un-Catholic of him.
 
Brendan said:
If standing is the posture of the Ressurection, somebody forgot to tell those who actually ARE Ressurected.
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From the USCCB -postures
Standing is a sign of respect and honor, so we stand as the celebrant who represents Christ enters and leaves the assembly. This posture,(standing) from the earliest days of the Church, has been understood as the stance of those who are risen with Christ and seek the things that are above. When we stand for prayer we assume our full stature before God, not in pride, but in humble gratitude for the marvelous thing God has done in creating and redeeming each one of us.
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Brendan said:
They still kneel at the the name of Christ, but this priest would rather us NOT imitate the Saints? That’s rather un-Catholic of him.
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And I am sure they also stand. You are judging this priest.
Judge not least ye may be judged

Lux
 
Brendan said:
No, I’m judging his ACTIONS. Actions may be judged and justly condemned. We cannot judge persons. And I don’t
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We still must be charitable and respectful, especially to a pastor.

Lux
 
Lux_et_Tenebrae said:
We still must be charitable and respectful, especially to a pastor.

Lux
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Could you point out exactly where I said that the OP should NOT be charitable or respectful?

One should certainly show charity and respect, but that doesn’t mean that they show follow false instructions either.

The OP should just kneel at the times designated in the GIRM, and if challenged by the priest simply say " I’m sorry Father, obedience demands that I follow the instructions of the Holy Father on the matter"
 
Brendan said:
Could you point out exactly where I said that the OP should NOT be charitable or respectful?

One should certainly show charity and respect, but that doesn’t mean that they show follow false instructions either.

The OP should just kneel at the times designated in the GIRM, and if challenged by the priest simply say " I’m sorry Father, obedience demands that I follow the instructions of the Holy Father on the matter"
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This is very disrespectful, and judgemental
They still kneel at the the name of Christ, but this priest would rather us NOT imitate the Saints? That’s rather un-Catholic of him.
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And as I said, I do not agree that it is OK to disobey a pastor in something that is not sinful.

Lux
 
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