Church Security & Legally Armed Parishioners

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Sorry, Gripper, I respectfully think you are 100% wrong. A shootout in Church is “disastrous?” Tell that to the churchgoers whose lives were saved in Texas when one of their congregation shot a gunman who had opened fire during a service. A shootout implies someone else fired the first shot - and virtually everyone will want an armed congregant near them when a nutcase starts shooting in a mass. Being Catholic need not equal “cowardly
In the face of mortal danger,” which “if I have to die, it’d be great to die in a church shooting” looks disturbingly like.
 
Not necessarily. To take a gun to Mass is to prepare for a terrible occasion. We prepare for occasions not because they will definitely happen, but because of the possibility that something may happen.
 
Most mass shootings have not occurred in “unsafe neighborhoods.”
 
“Also if you are taking a gun to Mass then you are planning to kill.”

What utter, shameful nonsense, labeling every legal ccw holder as a wanna be killer.
 
vz71 said:
There is a difference between living in fear and exercising your right to carry a firearm.

I humbly submit that if you feel so unsafe you must carry in most places, it is time to consider moving to a less dangerous neighborhood.
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And I humbly submit I need not fear because I’m always prepared for the worst but praying for the best. Same for my wife cause she has me. We do not live in fear bc I’m always ready to respond properly and legally to any threat to either of us.
TheLittleLady said:
So do you wait in her business place with your gun for her entire shift?

Maybe you can stand outside the doors of the Church brandishing your weapon? If your neighborhood is that dangerous, donate money for paid security professionals at your masses, metal detectors at the entrances, etc.
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Um no, I drop her off at the entrance n pick her up after her shift. Again, that began because I wanted more time with her, so 15 mins there, 15 back gives me another half hr per day. I’m 50, retired e.pty nester I get lonely ok? As for our neighborhood, it’s almost all ppl just like us, but mostly older, not high crime area-I still remain prepared coz it’s a lighter target for break-ins etc., exception being when I’m home…
And FYI, I clean my firearms in plain view of whomever whilst sitting on our front patio. Have never witnessed crime near us.
I dont get y it’s so very difficult for folks to comprehend a man being ready and capable of defending himself and his family. It’s my duty. Doggone.
flamingpuppet said:
I carry a gun because I’m not strong enough to carry a cop around. I’m a permit holder, train regularly and if I’m ever in a “situation,” my first responsibility is to avoid rash action that could get an innocent hurt.
I carry a seven shot single action, btw, or a snubnose. Wild, rapid and indiscriminate fire isn’t even an option.
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K, agree, basic rule there, dont aim at anythingbor anyone you dont wish to shoot.

I carry a 1911 in 45ACP RH IWB, and a Sig P365XL 9mm LH OWB, spare mag for each. Yes, I am an ambi shooter. Carry each for same reason - rather have n not need than need n not have.
TheLittleLady said:
Not seeing how abiding by the law is risking lives. We are to obey just laws, to break a just law is to commit sin.

Leave your sidearm outside of the Church.
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I’ve unofficial permission from head priest to carry, dmso no, I’ll protect myself and others if need be. If not, I’ll simply be covering everyone’s 6 for safety.
 
Actually, believing and trusting in the grace and mercy of God and not living in fear of someone killing you sounds like the definition of courage to me. At the very least, it sounds like a better way to live. I live in a community that actually does have a lot of gun violence, but I still don’t want to go around terrified to go normal places unless I can have a gun.
 
I don’t believe that whenever or wherever you die is God’s will. God gave us a brain and a free will.
I would not stand in front of a train and let it hit me to see if it was God’s will that I got hurt or not.
 
CathoRick said:
I always carry when I go to Mass, and no one knows because there is no need for them to know.
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That was my question. If you are doing concealed carry then it is concealed. Unlike a bar or concert or courthouse or airport, you don’t get frisked or go through a metal detector when you walk in the door, so how is anyone at church going to know if you’re concealed carrying or not? I also doubt very much the pastor, unlike a bartender or bouncer, is trying to see who might be concealed carrying so he can throw them out of church or call the police on them.

I would think anyone who felt very, very strongly about concealed carrying in church - and that includes people who might have a very good reason to do so, such as they have been repeatedly threatened by some violent person in their life and the police have advised them to take self-protective steps - would just do it and not make a big deal out of it.
 
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littlebird said:
I would not stand in front of a train and let it hit me to see if it was God’s will that I got hurt or not.
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I hope you’re not comparing going around without a firearm in a safe neighborhood to standing in front of a train. The latter is almost guaranteed to result in serious injury or death. The former is likely to result in nothing at all happening to you.
 
childinthefaith said:
I dont get y it’s so very difficult for folks to comprehend a man being ready and capable of defending himself and his family. It’s my duty. Doggone.
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Well, these days the handwringing “progressives” call that toxic masculinity. Imagine, taking positive measures to protect your family!
 
As if anywhere is really “safe” anymore.
Wait-- gun free zones are “safe,” aren’t they?
 
Responsible gun owners aren’t terrified. They’re calm and peacable.
 
HomeschoolDad said:
Move on? To where?
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Do you mean leave the United States entirely? Or move to a safer part of the United States? I am unable to consider moving from where I live for at least five more years (child custody), and even then, it means selling your house, packing up, going someplace you’ve never lived before — someplace that may have problems of its own — starting all over, and on top of that, living with the knowledge that you got run out of your home and your city because, in a very real way, the thugs and gangsters ran you out. They took over. They won. Or that would be my slant on it anyway. (I am retired with an income, so I don’t have to worry about finding a job, though I may return to work part-time once we are no longer homeschooling.)

I live in a somewhat high-crime area, i.e., the metropolitan area taken as a whole, and the main drag a few blocks from my house. You always have in the back of your mind that something could happen, but you “keep calm and carry on”, don’t go out late at night unless it’s absolutely necessary (it is not such a problem if you don’t leave your car, such as going to a drive-through for food, or if you go to places you’re familiar with), keep awareness of your surroundings, and project self-confidence. Being male, tall, big, head practically shaven bald, and dressing in such a way as to make it appear you are more formidable than you actually are, is helpful. (I have the ability to do this, obviously not everyone does.)
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childinthefaith said:
I’d like to hear what other Catholics think about this.
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I hope that there are not too many people carrying guns and automatic weapons in church during services. Perhaps there should be armed security guards and
everyone should be screened for weapons before entering the church. Maybe i am wrong here, but innocent people being killed in church by terrorists is not something that I like to think about.
 
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