Church strike for women's ordination

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AlNg said:
LOL? It’s more than one poll showing Roman Catholics favoring women’s ordination. I suppose you could ignore them and lol.
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Church attending Catholics do not favor women’s ordination - esp the ones who are educated in the faith.

We need to stop considering the position of people who don’t go to church and only identify with being Catholic the same way they identify with being Irish, Italian, Spanish, etc.
 
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phil19034:
I’m sorry, but you literally just ignored everything else in that same post by @prodglarchitect which explained what the Bible means in the Old Testament when God “changes His mind.”
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Should I believe God when He says " I will change my mind <Jeremiah 26: 3> or should I believe you or some other anonymous individual on the internet instead?
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Well… If you are Catholic - you should believe (or at least consider) what St. Thomas Aquinas said about the subject.

If you are Eastern Orthodox, consider what your teachers say.

And if you are Protestant - think of it like this. The Old Testament is filled with figurative language. And the stuff that was NOT figurative: like the fact you can’t eat pork - no longer applies.

We Christians believe in reading the Old Testament in light of the New. From what we know of God the Father from Jesus, He is all knowing. Therefore, an All knowing God cannot “change His mind” the same way we do because He already knows everything.

However, what we do know is that during the time of the Old Testament, God was always testing humanity. A lot of those “I will change my mind” and similar situations was more about God testing us than literally changing His mind.

God Bless

(BTW - I honestly have no idea what’s your religious views are, even after all this time)
 
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phil19034 said:
And if you are Protestant - think of like this. The Old Testament is filled with figurative language.
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True. Protestants believe that there is figurative language in the Bible. For example, many believe that the words of he Last Supper are to be taken figuratively and not literally.
 
edwest211 said:
There will be no women priests.
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Sbee0 said:
Not in any way relevant to the wishful thinking that the Catholic Church will be ordaining women as priests. That will not happen. Ever.
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Father Francis A. Sullivan says that he does not see how it can be certain that this doctrine is taught infallibly by the ordinary and universal magisterium. ‘Guideposts from Catholic tradition. Infallibility doctrine invoked in statement against ordination by Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith’, by Francis A. Sullivan, The Tablet 23/30 December 1995, p. 1646. Other Catholic theologians have said similar.

Francis A. Sullivan - Wikipedia

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I think there’s a reasonable chance that the chastity requirement will be relaxed one day at least in areas with a shortage of priests.

There is zero chance women will ever be ordained priests in the Catholic Church.
 
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I heard a priest on Catholic radio who got involved in a debate with someone over this. “Definitive means definitive.” No opinion matters. The exact wording was designed to avoid such hair-splitting.
 
Pope John Paul II has established a precedent. Fortunately, the Catholic Church is not like the US Supreme Court. The supporting reasons he gave are unassailable and Biblical.
 
edwest211 said:
The supporting reasons he gave are unassailable and Biblical.
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There are canon lawyers and theologians who say that the pronouncement on ordination of women priests has not unequivocally met the criteria for infallibility.
 
AlNg said:
There is an article on Canon Law Made Easy When does the Pope speak infallibly? It says that since the 1854 proclamation of the Immaculate Conception and the 1950 proclamation of the Assumption of the BVM, there have been no further papal pronouncements that have unequivocally met the criteria for infallibility. Thus agreeing with Father Sullivan.
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That is called the Extraordinary Magisterium, and you are quite correct, it is rare. Where the majority of the Church’s Infallible teaching comes from is the Ordinary Magisterium, in other words, what the Church has always taught.

THAT is where this infallible teaching comes from.

Read this here.

http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/c...ith_doc_19951028_dubium-ordinatio-sac_en.html

Now the question becomes, does Fr Sullivan have more impressive credentials than Pope Benedict? Especially when Fr Sullivan is using “Argument from Ignorance”, which is a fallacy where a premise is proposed as true because the proponent cannot envision it to be otherwise.
 
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And, as I used to say to my daughters: “What part of the word “NO” don’t you understand? I will explain it to you.”
 
Let’s see he advocates “creative fidelity” a Protestant reformation concept, which is at direct odds with “development of doctrine”, is a liberal Jesuit favoring modern liberal positions in all his stances.

However, if it ever did occur my prediction would be 1/3 of the church would leave many becoming orthodox, some of us would take the St. Athanasius route and fight for the soul of the church (fidelity, fidelity, fidelity)

Consequences, most of the modern movement is pro choice (creative fidelity v development of doctrine) no Eucharist would be valid or consecrated, just bread and wine. Personally at that point I’d just stay for the liturgy of the word, the only valid Eucharist in the world being orthodox. And that is the whole centerpiece of the Church and Mass. No valid confessions, no valid marriages, no valid confirmations from those sectors either (baptism would still interestingly be valid)

Priestesses are pagan, not Catholic. Frankly, like Sullivan attempting to rewrite dogma and doctrine in many areas to suit and imitate modern secularism. No thanks.

No actual body and blood of Christ (except for those orthodox rebels within the church)

Peace and God Bless
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Turning to how the theory “radically contradicts” the Church’s teaching, Cardinal Eijk said its separation of sexual relationships from procreation has led to the promotion of legalized abortion and the undermining of parental and spousal roles and relationships between children and parents. The detachment of gender from biological sex “damages” the analogy between Christ and his Bride, the Church, he said, and makes it “immaterial” whether a “priest is male or female.”

Showing the errors of gender theory “is of the utmost urgency,” he concluded, because “not only sexual morality but also proclamation of the Christian faith in itself are at stake.”
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