Church Teaching and possible schism

[GoldenArrow]

Beautiful post, Spauline! Wow!

I have just one more thing to add:

Some forms of birth control are abortifacients.

I think that those of use who’ve used birth control may be surprised when we see all the babies we’ve aborted without being aware of it.

 

[spauline]

Beautiful post, Spauline! Wow!

I have just one more thing to add:

Some forms of birth control are abortifacients.

I think that those of use who’ve used birth control may be surprised when we see all the babies we’ve aborted without being aware of it.

Thank you! and AMEN to your follow-up: not only is artificial bc always against the unitive aspect, but, in addition, many times the chemical contraceptives are not really that ,they in fact cause abortions. I was just watching a person in Oregon Right to Life point out that, in ADDITION to the 1.5 million babies murdered through ‘SURGICAL’ abortions (as if that is actually a health benefit), some EIGHT million children (if I recall correctly) are murdered by the abortificiant effects of so-called contraceptives.

And people tell me that I’m obsessed with the apocalypse. I never said I believe the world is now coming to an end. But given its sins, it could go through a chastisement in which it ALMOST ends, if only the world will return to the Father and realize that its coming condition of feeding the pigs is the result of their sins.

but thanks again, Golden arrow!

with her love,
scott

 

[noma]

To Randy:

My complaint was not your content.

My complaint was a remark that was entirely uncharacteristic of you, in that it seemed unloving.

And this is uncharacteristic because I respected your posts very highly in the thread on authority.

And the reason I have not really replied to it is because I don’t know what to do with it.

The quotes will not work, as nice as they are. For I have seen just as many quotes for both sides, and both sides explain the quotes away in different ways. I need more context.

To another:

It is not wrong for the Orthodox to accept IC dogma (how could it be? the first seven councils, the Gospels, and Church Tradition have not blatantly spoken against it). But, as the Orthodox would assert, it is wrong to accept IC as dogma.

To all:

I believe in the primacy of Rome, but that this primacy is one of the first among equals; as has been said, the servant of servants. In my heart of hearts, I cannot reconcile this with the magisterial teaching about the magisterial teaching of the Church. And it cannot be clear, because if it were so clear from the Church Fathers, so clear that no one would deny it, there would be no need to address it in a council.

That certainly doesn’t make the papal claim wrong. It just makes it harder to determine what is right or wrong.

So I am going to read the Church Fathers in context. I am going to find out how to get a hold of the original documents, and I am going to devour the Fathers.

And I am also going to carefully read through this thread.

Thank you from the bottom of my heart, for taking me seriously, and for your many loving and very intelligent and knowledgeable responses.

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I am now on a Christmas holiday, with my family, and so will not be messaging here until the fifth of January.

If something strikes you as urgent to tell me, PM me, and I will try to get back to you.

God bless and Merry Christmas!

 

[Randy_Carson]

I will PM an apology to Noma as “urgent” because I did not intend anything to be taken as an affront. :nope:

I apologize to all if my post came across that way.

 

[Santos]

I apologize to all if my post came across that way.

:whacky: what just happened? For myself, I will put your apology away in my back pocket, although I can not use it now, I will later (when deemed appropriate) use it, if at any time I find your views to be opposite of my own. Of course in this case I would believe my possition to be the right one, and in the love and sharing of the holiday spirit, seeking a family united and not divided, I will then joyously accept your apology. In other words Rany… I accept your appology. Thank You and have a Mery Christmas to all and to all a good night.

"hello?.. … … you guys I’m done!.. … … :yawn: