Church teaching on Islam

[rinnie]

And we pray through Christ our Lord. And offer the sacrifice of the son back to the Father. Now tell me how they worship with us.

Oh Geeze Simple the Father and the Son ARE ONE.There is only ONE GOD!

When you pray to God the Father or God the Son or God the Holy Spirit are we not praying to ONE GOD!

 

[jam070406]

There you go, You just answered your own question did you not? Is the Muslim God a false god? No he is not a false God.

Do muslims reject Jesus as the Son of God? Yes they do. How can you pray to the true God and not accept Christ? Simple, When you do not have the truth revealed to you by the power of the Holy Spirit you will not accept it.

But when the truth is revealed, It will BE BY the Power of the Holy Spirit that the grace will come for them to accept it. It will be a gift from God, the same as it was given to us to accept Jesus Christ.

It is not for us to say When, or how. We just know that it WILL happen, If they are of God he will give them the Grace to see the truth.

Aaaah, so they don’t have Truth. I am the way the Truth and the Life, nobody comes to the Father but through Me.
Rejecting Jesus is rejecting Truth, and rejecting Truth is rejecting the Father.

 

[jam070406]

Oh Geeze Simple the Father and the Son ARE ONE.There is only ONE GOD!

When you pray to God the Father or God the Son or God the Holy Spirit are we not praying to ONE GOD!

So rejecting Jesus is rejecting that One God, correct?

 

[rinnie]

Which would also throw out tons of Protestants also by this line of thinking because they also reject Christ.

Now although they accept him as the Son, they reject him as the Eucharist. So we cannot have a double standard here.

The bible says you either reject him or accept him right? How can we accept Christ as our Savior but reject the Eucharist which is the bread that gives eternal life.

Nope beings that the Protestants reject Christ, which many do in the Eucharist they cannot have the true God either.

Not that I accept any of this, but this is what Jam and others are saying. And in order to prove their point have to accept this false teaching also.

 

[rinnie]

So rejecting Jesus is rejecting that One God, correct?

What do you mean by THAT ONE God. There is only One God, Not THAT one God?

 

[BenedictFTW]

The way they worship God the same as us is they pray to the One God the Creator of heaven and earth.

Does getting on your knees and bowing to God the Father the Creator of heaven and earth pleasing to God? Yes the scripture tells us it is.

Will their prayers save them? How would I know? I am not God, who am I to say what will or will not save them. Salvation is given to us through Jesus Christ. And he tells us he wishes for everyone to be saved. Will he save the Jews? Will he save the Muslims? Will he save the Christians? We will all find out on judgement day.

I am not God I cannot condemn anyone to hell, or send anyone to heaven. Only God can.

DId Jesus die for ALL mans sins or just for the ones who accepted him? I was told he died for all mans sins, and without his death no one could enter heaven.

I was taught you cannot go to the Father without the Son, why? Simple because God and the Son are one.

“We are of God and those who know God listen to us, but those who are not of God ignore us. This is how we know the spirit of truth and the spirit of error as well.” (1John 4:6)

“All of those who believe that Jesus is the Anointed, are born of God; whoever loves the Father, loves the Son. How may we know that we love the children of God? If we love God and fulfill His commands for God’s love requires us to keep His commands.” (1John 5:1-3).

“If you believe in the Son of God, you have God’s testimony in you. But those who do not believe make God a liar, since they do not believe His words when He witnesses to His Son.” (1John 5:10)

This is SCRIPTURE.

 

[jam070406]

Which would also throw out tons of Protestants also by this line of thinking because they also reject Christ.

Now although they accept him as the Son, they reject him as the Eucharist. So we cannot have a double standard here.

The bible says you either reject him or accept him right? How can we accept Christ as our Savior but reject the Eucharist which is the bread that gives eternal life.

Nope beings that the Protestants reject Christ, which many do in the Eucharist they cannot have the true God either.

Not that I accept any of this, but this is what Jam and others are saying. And in order to prove their point have to accept this false teaching also.

There is no double standard. Jesus said unless you eat my flesh and drink my blood you have no life in you. And he said not all that say Lord, Lord will enter. I never knew you.

 

[rinnie]

There is only ONE GOD, THere is the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit. You cannot separate ONE GOD.

God chooses to reveal himself in the Father and in the Son and in the Holy Spirit. They are all FULLY God.

Becausethey do not have the fullness of the faith in the teaching of the Trinity does not make God the Father the creator of heaven and earth false.

 

[jam070406]

What do you mean by THAT ONE God. There is only One God, Not THAT one God?

The God of the Christians. The Trinity. Father, Son, Holy Spirit. How can you reject one and not reject all? Please explain.

 

[rinnie]

There is no double standard. Jesus said unless you eat my flesh and drink my blood you have no life in you. And he said not all that say Lord, Lord will enter. I never knew you.

What about protestants who reject the Eucharst. Is their God the God of the Trinity false? The same God of the Trinity that is taught by the RCC?

 

[jam070406]

There is only ONE GOD, THere is the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit. You cannot separate ONE GOD.

God chooses to reveal himself in the Father and in the Son and in the Holy Spirit. They are all FULLY God.

Becausethey do not have the fullness of the faith in the teaching of the Trinity does not make God the Father the creator of heaven and earth false.

Actually, their book states the position of the Christians and then rejects it. They reject the claim of Christians and reject Truth, which they are obligated to search for. Search and it will be given, knock and the door will be opened.

 

[jam070406]

What about protestants who reject the Eucharst. Is their God the God of the Trinity false? The same God of the Trinity that is taught by the RCC?

No. As Augustine says if you don’t properly follow the (Christian) Scriptures you follow yourself. (Paraphrase)

 

[rinnie]

The God of the Christians. The Trinity. Father, Son, Holy Spirit. How can you reject one and not reject all? Please explain.

Hold on there. There is no such thing. There is not a God for Christians, and a God for Jews and a God for Muslims. The Church teaches we all agree that there is only ONE GOD the Creator of heaven and earth.

Where are you getting reject one and not reject all? There are not plural gods. There is only ONE GOD.

 

[BenedictFTW]

What about protestants who reject the Eucharst. Is their God the God of the Trinity false? The same God of the Trinity that is taught by the RCC?

"The Jews were arguing among themselves, "How can this man give us flesh to eat? So Jesus replied “Truly, I say to you, if you do not eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His Blood, you have no life in you. The one who eats My Flesh and drinks My Blood lives eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.” (John 6:52-54).

“After this many disciples withdrew and no longer followed Him.” (John 6:66)
(Jesus let them go!) Protestants do not believe in the True Presence and walked away from the true Church of Christ.

 

[rinnie]

No. As Augustine says if you don’t properly follow the (Christian) Scriptures you follow yourself. (Paraphrase)

I think you are trying to make St Augustine say something he is not.

Where does he say that Christians who are not Catholic and do not accept the fullness of the truth revealed to them by the Church but accept the Trinity have a false god? You gotta show me that.

 

[jam070406]

Hold on there. There is no such thing. There is not a God for Christians, and a God for Jews and a God for Muslims. The Church teaches we all agree that there is only ONE GOD the Creator of heaven and earth.

Where are you getting reject one and not reject all? There are not plural gods. There is only ONE GOD.

I was referring to the persons of Trinity, but I think you knew that.

Yes, there is One God in 3 persons, the Trinity …that Jews and Muslims reject.
You’re really floundering now.

 

[BenedictFTW]

Hold on there. There is no such thing. There is not a God for Christians, and a God for Jews and a God for Muslims. The Church teaches we all agree that there is only ONE GOD the Creator of heaven and earth.

Where are you getting reject one and not reject all? There are not plural gods. There is only ONE GOD.

Muslims reject two of the Persons in the Trinity. I think that is what the poster was referring to. How can they reject two of the Divine Persons without rejecting God. Where does it say in our CCC that we can do that?

 

[rinnie]

"The Jews were arguing among themselves, "How can this man give us flesh to eat? So Jesus replied “Truly, I say to you, if you do not eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His Blood, you have no life in you. The one who eats My Flesh and drinks My Blood lives eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.” (John 6:52-54).

“After this many disciples withdrew and no longer followed Him.” (John 6:66)
(Jesus let them go!) Protestants do not believe in the True Presence and walked away from the true Church of Christ.

Oh I know the scripture quite well. But are you also saying protestants who do not accept the Eucharist as the living bread from heaven pray to a false god??

 

[BenedictFTW]

Oh I know the scripture quite well. But are you also saying protestants who do not accept the Eucharist as the living bread from heaven pray to a false god??

Me? I am saying nothing.

Jesus says “As I have told you, no one can come to Me unless it is granted by the Father.” (John 6:65).

Are you saying that Jesus is wrong?

 

[jam070406]

I think you are trying to make St Augustine say something he is not.

Where does he say that Christians who are not Catholic and do not accept the fullness of the truth revealed to them by the Church but accept the Trinity have a false god? You gotta show me that.

That’s not what I said. Don’t put words in my mouth. His point is that they follow their own selfish desires.