Church teaching on Islam

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I have to say that I encountered quite a shock Sunday evening, viewing an episode on this very subject on EWTN’s Franciscan University Presents. Quite an eye-opener about what is routinely described as “the religion of peace” vs. what the Qu’ran actually says, from someone who has studied the texts for 30 years.

Scary stuff.
 
jam070406 said:
Yes, monotheism. He was attempting to point to Jesus by showing the true nature of God. He was in no way affirming that they hold the Faith of Abraham, or that we both worship the true God, or that Islam will save them. He speaks for Catholicism, not Muslims.
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Ah, so it is just about Islam being monotheistic? Ok, then explain the lack of specific mention of the non-Abrahamic monotheistic faiths within the portion of the CCC that covers non-Christian faiths. Why are they “lumped” together with all the other non-Abrahamic faiths while Judism and Islam are given specific mention? If it was just about monotheism, wouldn’t that portion of the CCC just have metions for non-Christian monotheistic faiths and all the others; or [going with your argument that Islam isn’t Abrahamic] wouldn’t it be the non-Chrisitan Abrahimic faith [Judaism], the non-Christian non-Abrahamic faiths, then all the others?
 
Armyvet007 said:
Ah, so it is just about Islam being monotheistic? Ok, then explain the lack of specific mention of the non-Abrahamic monotheistic faiths within the portion of the CCC that covers non-Christian faiths. Why are they “lumped” together with all the other non-Abrahamic faiths while Judism and Islam are given specific mention? If it was just about monotheism, wouldn’t that portion of the CCC just have metions for non-Christian monotheistic faiths and all the others; or [going with your argument that Islam isn’t Abrahamic] wouldn’t it be the non-Chrisitan Abrahimic faith [Judaism], the non-Christian non-Abrahamic faiths, then all the others?
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Because they erroneously believe they have the faith of Abraham. It’s a building block to bringing them to the TRUE faith of Abraham that is not in other monotheist man made religions.
 
You’re having the Pope speak for Muslims when he says “we”? How can he speak for what Muslims believe?
 
Which is completely irrelevant to a Muslim sitting in the crowd. Who says no we don’t.
 
jam070406 said:
Because they erroneously believe they have the faith of Abraham. It’s a building block to bringing them to the TRUE faith of Abraham that is not in other monotheist man made religions.
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How does it serve as a building block?
 
By claiming we worship the same one true God, you’re assuming and putting yourself in the shoes of a Muslim. You would quickly find that worship and belief are different. The only thing we agree on is monotheism. Even then, we GREATLY disagree on the nature of God.
I can’t even see how the claim can be made. Two radically different belief systems.
 
jam070406 said:
By teaching them that the fulfillment of the Abraham Faith is in Jesus Christ, not Islam. Do you disagree?
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I do if you think the CCC is somehow an apologitic work aimed at converting non-Catholics.
 
jam070406 said:
By claiming we worship the same one true God, you’re assuming and putting yourself in the shoes of a Muslim. You would quickly find that worship and belief are different. The only thing we agree on is monotheism. Even then, we GREATLY disagree on the nature of God.
I can’t even see how the claim can be made. Two radically different belief systems.
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Source?
 
devoutchristian said:
I’ve heard that the church’s position that Muslims worship the same God as Christians constitutes a teaching on faith or morals that Catholics must give religious assent to. Is this true and if so, how is it a teaching on faith or morals?
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The original poster asked if this teaching is one of faith and morals.

As another poster pointed out, "CCC 841 The Church’s relationship with the Muslims. “The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind’s judge on the last day.” "

The only part of this that refers to faith is “The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator.” The rest of the paragraph has nothing to do with faith nor morals.

As to whether Muslims worship the same God…

On the one hand, as the CC, states, they do profess to hold the faith of Abraham as the CC correctly states.

On the other hand, there a three things that cause me to question whether they believe in the same God.


  1. *]Although they claim to hold the faith of Abraham, they really mean the faith of Abraham was Islam (the teachings of the Quran) and that is the faith Muslims follow.

    *]They claim the Quran is co-eternal with God. How can a book be co-eternal with God? Sounds like book worship to me. We certainly do not believe the Bible is Co-eternal with God. Our God is not co-eternal with any book.

    *]If we assume Mohamed was not a liar or lunatic then we have to conclude that he did receive the Quran from some supernatural being. It certainly was not our God nor our Gabriel. We have to conclude that the Quran was given to Mohamed by a lying supernatural being. Let’s see, what super-natural being did Jesus say was the father of all lies? As the SNL Church Lady would say… “Satan”!😃
 
LOL! That’s ALL I’ve dealt with. Go back and read. I can’t help if you choose to ignore what I say.

You cherry picked a quote by the Pope, I called you out and now you accuse me of not dealing with it. Lol! Nice.
 
Have fun Jharek, I’m done trying to hold a discussion with him.
 
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