Church v. Trump on Women

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The whataboutism is strong in this thread!

Seriously though, very few men I know or observed have been truly upset over objectifying women in general unless a family member/loved one is concerned (or at least, upset enough to cut off ties). I’ve also never met a woman who cares about it if the guy in question is someone they like. If anything, they’re lightly offended. Even I find myself having a high tolerance for crappy behavior/more forgiveness when it comes to the people I love or admire.

Obviously you can’t generalize this to the whole population and I’m not saying that all of us are terrible. I’m just saying I’m not surprised enough to ask why there are Catholics who love Trump/any other bad guy when it comes to a rather small issue (saying sexist crap isn’t the same compared to say something like a genocide, where you simply cannot justify it)

The conversation may be fruitless. What would be more interesting, however, is a conversation about the Church v. Catholics on women. How they view/talk about people themselves would be a better answer as to why they support certain people I think?
 
Third party candidates have never won. I’m not saying they never could but historically they never have.
Maybe Ross Perot came the closest but all he mostly did was steal votes from George H. W. Bush.

I’m very pleased with what I have seen on the pro-life front since 2016.
Very pleased with Trumps Judicial picks.
After reviewing the 2 candidates I was mostly definitely "Never Hillary:
Just as I was never Obama in 2008 and 2012 as I did my research and saw that he refused to sign into law the “born alive infant protection act” when he was senator. I mean-this was when the baby is already separated from the mother. Hillary Clinton has the same philosophy.
Voted McCain then. A LOT, maybe many or most of my conservative evangelical and Catholic friends voted Obama in 2008(though not so much in 2012) cause he was awesome, ect.
Trump could very well be voted out in 4 years, but his judicial picks could well last a generation.
And Heck yeah I want Roe v Wade overturned.
why do you think Kavanaugh is getting such hate? There is a supernatural dimension to it in my opinion.
Plus, the military sorely has needed rebuilding, and many other things.
His judicial picks have been excellent. These will stand the test of time.
And heck no I don’t 100% agree with Trump on everything and I have never agreed with any President on everything.
As far as the original title of this thread?
Well, you had the husband of the other candidate who had allegedly done even worse things than Trump has allegedly done, so no choir boy there.
And this is just me, but I really hope the first woman President is a conservative.
 
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It should be interesting in post era Trump. There will be no ravenous wolves from the fundamentalists or “moral” majority demanding morality from a candidate if the model held to standards is the current man in the white house. Or at least they will no longer be able to complain about it. Interesting, indeed.
 
Well apparently his nominee didn’t sound very smart so maybe it’s fast food legal knowledge.
 
blackforest said:
By the way, abortion rates have been on a downward trend … since the 1990s, regardless of who’s in office.
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Yeah, except the current trend is also to push for after-birth abortion, selling fetal body parts, indoctrinating young children into non-gender ideologies, gender transitioning for children and adolescents, euthanasia, and now infanticide (by leading leftist bioethicists), so raw numbers don’t tell the whole story, do they?

Speaking of “ravenous wolves.”
 
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Lea101 said:
very few men I know or observed have been truly upset over objectifying women in general unless a family member/loved one is concerned (or at least, upset enough to cut off ties).
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This breaks my heart. I pray that you are able to meet some virtuous men from any walk of life, Catholic, non-Catholic, non-Christian, atheist. Virtue is not limited to Christians. It is very sad that you have known very few. Most men are good guys.
 
blackforest said:
reverse Mexico City policy
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Have you read the Mexico City Policy? Do you understand that it contains loopholes?

It takes a good amount of digging.

This is the most comprehensive article I have bookmarked. It also explains the history of the policy. While saving one life is a good thing, this is not the “be all and end all give President Trump his pro-life golden ticket bona fides” policy that some would lead us to believe.


Remember that the GGR/MCP applies to NGOs and does not prohibit them from:

responding to a question about where a safe, legal abortion may be obtained when a woman who is already pregnant clearly states that she has already decided to have a legal abortion (passively providing information, versus actively providing medically-appropriate information).

In addition, the expanded policy does not apply to healthcare providers who have an affirmative duty required under local law to provide counseling about and referrals for abortion as a method of family planning.
 
In 2020, President Trump is up for reelection. If you don’t like the job he has done, you’ll have the opportunity to place Mrs. Clinton or one of the other possible candidates into office instead.

You can vote for one or the other or stay home if you like or throw your vote away on a 3rd Party.

Has Trump been a perfect president? Not really. But the next perfect President we elect will be the first perfect president.
 
Yes. I’m aware of the loopholes. I was agreeing with you.

Republicans in office always reverse it to show off their pro-lifey-ness. But the gesture is mostly symbolic.
 
blackforest said:
Republicans in office always reverse it to show off their pro-lifey-ness. But the gesture is mostly symbolic.
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Actually, a lot of what the Republicans say they are going to do never pans out.

They really didn’t exercise the mandates they got in the 2010 and 2014 landslides.

Although Trump is hardly perfect, he has been doing more to actually implement his promises that the GOP voters have seen lately.
 
I hate to break it to you, but we’ve been fighting the Roe v. Wade beast for 45+ years with little to no headway, and overturning the ruling will simply send the abortion decision back to states. For states that do decide to ban abortion, performing one “underground” need no require a coat hanger; just a quick medical coding change that I’m sure some doctors would be happy to make.

Right now, you’re banking on somebody to appoint just the right justices who may or may not vote for an overturn that may or may not lead to abortion getting banned in all 50 states. That’s quite a stretch! Meanwhile, other justices are waiting to retire until a “pro-choice” Democrat is in office to appoint a like-minded replacement. Do you see how this battle gets drawn out?

Pro-lifers are long overdue to rethink strategy.
 
I haven’t stated this outright, but it’s probably obvious I’m very pro-life and not at all a Republican. So for someone like me to vote for Trump, I’d have to see a LOT of satisfactory pro-life action.
 
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blackforest said:
overturning the ruling will simply send the abortion decision back to states.
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Maybe, maybe not.

Depends on the grounds that the decision is made. If the decision is reversed, example given, on grounds that abortion is “cruel and unusual punishment”, abortion could be outlawed in all 50 states overnight.

If its overruled on the 10th Amendment, that would return it to the states.
 
I agree. Those lies about being able to keep your insurance if you want to, or drawing a line in the sand about chemical weapons in Syria…oh, wait a minute. You said Trump is a liar? I thought you meant Obama!
 
blackforest said:
I haven’t stated this outright, but it’s probably obvious I’m very pro-life and not at all a Republican. So for someone like me to vote for Trump, I’d have to see a LOT of satisfactory pro-life action.
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Baby steps, when they are certain, are better than a LOT of giant promissory pro-life leaps that never seem to happen, and will only lead to ever more anti-life policies.
 
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Lea101:
very few men I know or observed have been truly upset over objectifying women in general unless a family member/loved one is concerned (or at least, upset enough to cut off ties).
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This breaks my heart. I pray that you are able to meet some virtuous men from any walk of life, Catholic, non-Catholic, non-Christian, atheist. Virtue is not limited to Christians. It is very sad that you have known very few. Most men are good guys.
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When my first grandson was born three weeks premature, he was a beautiful baby, not very distinguishable from full-term babies, just a bit smaller. Most babies, even the prematurely delivered ones, are “good guys.”

My grandson is now two. It breaks my heart to think that thousands of times each day, there are babies, not much different from my beautiful grandson, all around the world that have been summarily dismembered or poisoned in the womb.

It is “truly upsetting” that not a few women are objectifying babies as things like “clump of cells” even when it is a family member that is involved.
 
I am with you 100%… I understand the anti-Hilary vote, but I can not for the life of me figure out pro-Trump people… so far removed from Catholic ethics and morals.
 
Augustinian said:
Has Trump been a perfect president? Not really.
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Severe understatement… he has been awful… absolutely terrible. I have to shield my children from his public statements, tweets, etc… he’s a disaster from a common decency standpoint. From an ethics and morals standpoint - same. One the economy, he hasn’t screwed up the recovery, which is good, but hard to find anything beyond that.
 
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