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It is shocking if Catholic Websites are lying about US Bishops. Which bishops have they lied about, and why are the commentators not excommunicated if they are lying?
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The websites I’m referring to imply they are Catholic websites, but actually are not Catholic Church apostolates, in union with their Ordinary. They don’t directly claim to be Catholic Church apostolates, but may have Catholic sounding names, so posters on here, or elsewhere, refer to them as if they were, and likely send donations.commenter:
It is shocking if Catholic Websites are lying about US Bishops. Which bishops have they lied about, and why are the commentators not excommunicated if they are lying?
The bishops are not perfect either, nor the Dioceses, clergy and laity.
If I see a post on CAF or Facebook about how the bishops at V2 tried to destroy the Mass, I can sometimes find the same exact argument in one website that is into that. If I find a post in CAF with lurid stuff about a bishop, I can find the same thing in a current issue of this other site.
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TheLittleLady
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The only matter of dogma is that Homo Sapiens Sapiens, modern humans with immortal souls, are descended from one original parent. We may refer to him as Adam, however, we do not know that was his actual name, we do not know if he would have had a name at all.
One can be Catholic and accept the scientific theory of evolution.
One can be Catholic and accept the scientific theory of evolution.
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Uriel1
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You say,
Gen 5 reads: This is the roll of Adam’s descendants: On the day that God created Adam he made him in the likeness of God.2 Male and female he created them. He blessed them and gave them the name Man, when they were created.
CCC359 says “In reality it is only in the mystery of the Word made flesh that the mystery of man truly becomes clear.” St. Paul tells us that the human race takes its origin from two men: Adam and Christ. . . The first man, Adam, he says, became a living soul, the last Adam a life-giving spirit. The first Adam was made by the last Adam, from whom he also received his soul, to give him life. . . The second Adam stamped his image on the first Adam when he created him. That is why he took on himself the role and the name of the first Adam, in order that he might not lose what he had made in his own image. . . .
Really? Your authority is ? That’s not the view of the Bible, nor the Catechism, so are you saying both authorities are wrong?
Gen 5 reads: This is the roll of Adam’s descendants: On the day that God created Adam he made him in the likeness of God.2 Male and female he created them. He blessed them and gave them the name Man, when they were created.
CCC359 says “In reality it is only in the mystery of the Word made flesh that the mystery of man truly becomes clear.” St. Paul tells us that the human race takes its origin from two men: Adam and Christ. . . The first man, Adam, he says, became a living soul, the last Adam a life-giving spirit. The first Adam was made by the last Adam, from whom he also received his soul, to give him life. . . The second Adam stamped his image on the first Adam when he created him. That is why he took on himself the role and the name of the first Adam, in order that he might not lose what he had made in his own image. . . .
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PetraG
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Blessed are the poor and woe to you rich, I guess?
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StudentMI
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I guess. Just seemed a weird way to put it to me.
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PetraG
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Fair enough. I think you’re right!
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TheLittleLady
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As I said, one original parent, the author of Genesis names him “Adam”. In Hebrew, “Adam” means “man”.
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Uriel1
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You also wrote,
Sorry, I didn’t realise you had Hebrew, but since/if you have, you’ll know that Adam (אדם) actually means red. In Jewish theology there is an etymological connection between the words Adam and adamah/earth as far back as Maimonides/RAMBAM c1150 who believed the word adam to be derived from the word adamah/earth evoking the way humanity was created from the soil.
In today’s biblical scholarship there is general agreement that both words have an etymological relationship.
If the word adam were to be given a feminine form in Hebrew, it would be adamah. But as there is no feminine form of Adam it is thought unlikely that adamah is a feminisation of adam.
It is thought that both words originate from the verbal stem “adam” (to be red) and were used in Genesis to allude to the relationship between Adam and adamah
He was certainly called Adam, and the first of three Bible heroes to be associated with “red”
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TheLittleLady
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Heck, even Wiktonary breaks it down thusly:
Etymology. From Middle English Adam , from Latin Adam , Adamus, from Ancient Greek Ἀδάμ (Adám), Ἄδαμος (Ádamos), from Biblical Hebrew אָדָם ( adam , “earth, man, soil, light brown”), from אדמה (adamah, “red earth, ground”).
Edit to add: Bible Odyssey is your source?
Etymology. From Middle English Adam , from Latin Adam , Adamus, from Ancient Greek Ἀδάμ (Adám), Ἄδαμος (Ádamos), from Biblical Hebrew אָדָם ( adam , “earth, man, soil, light brown”), from אדמה (adamah, “red earth, ground”).
Edit to add: Bible Odyssey is your source?
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Uriel1
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No, my source is an accretion of 50 sources over 20 years of study. Adam being the first of the three to be described or alluded to as red is an interesting one. I’m pleased you now agree he was called “Adam”
The Catholic Church (Pope Pius XII) teaches in Humani Generis of the new age idea of Adam and Eve being other than our literal first parents. Pius XII addressed this in the 1950 encyclical saying that that symbolic alternative belief was a “conjectural opinion” and he disallowed us to entertain such opinions, due to the inconsistencies with the transmission of Adam’s sin
Adam indeed was the name of first man.
Nice to discuss this with you - if you want to discuss the other two “reds” do p.m. me
God bless
The Catholic Church (Pope Pius XII) teaches in Humani Generis of the new age idea of Adam and Eve being other than our literal first parents. Pius XII addressed this in the 1950 encyclical saying that that symbolic alternative belief was a “conjectural opinion” and he disallowed us to entertain such opinions, due to the inconsistencies with the transmission of Adam’s sin
Adam indeed was the name of first man.
Nice to discuss this with you - if you want to discuss the other two “reds” do p.m. me
God bless
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