Churches rejecting science altogether

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StAnastasia said:
If the human population had been reduced to a mere eight people, God would have had to fake the human genome to appear as if the flood had never happened. There is no genetic evidence that the human population ever dropped below 3,000-10,000 breeding pairs in the last few hundred thousand years. When a species drops as low as a few pairs, this is called a genetic bottleneck, and it leaves an indelible marker on the genome. The human genome has no such markers, so genetically we can conclude that the population never fell below 3,000-10,000 breeding pairs.
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The jury is out on genetics as the mitochondrial clock needs to be recalibrated.
 
StAnastasia said:
If the human population had been reduced to a mere eight people, God would have had to fake the human genome to appear as if the flood had never happened. There is no genetic evidence that the human population ever dropped below 3,000-10,000 breeding pairs in the last few hundred thousand years. When a species drops as low as a few pairs, this is called a genetic bottleneck, and it leaves an indelible marker on the genome. The human genome has no such markers, so genetically we can conclude that the population never fell below 3,000-10,000 breeding pairs.
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Again, you take God out of the picture. Your conclusions are fallible since they stem from a human thought process and mind. The science you speak of is in its infancy and I think it is safe to say that our understanding will greatly improve as time marches on.
 
Peter_John said:
So the flood happened a few hundred thousand years ago then.

Either that or they had heavier genes back then. That’s why they lived longer. The genetic concentration dissipated after Solar exposure following the collapse of the ante-diluvian vapor canopy, and got corrupted when they started eating meat. All the deacy from the rotting dinosaurs left after the flood probably accelerated this, and since the Unicorns died off during the flodd (See the sacred record of the Irish Rovers for more details on this) they couldn;t count on magic anymore.

I’m not sure where the ancient astronauts fit into all this, but I expect they altered some genetic specimens with bio-engineered stock from the 12th Planet, otherwise they would not have had enough skilled workers to build the pyramids and carve the landing field markers in Nacza. Only the Hopi and Maya know for sure. See how it all fits together and makes perfect sense?👍
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I thought it was the 14th planet? Maybe I recall it incorrectly? 🤷 🙂
 
irishpatrick said:
Again, you take God out of the picture. Your conclusions are fallible since they stem from a human thought process and mind. The science you speak of is in its infancy and I think it is safe to say that our understanding will greatly improve as time marches on.
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No, it’s not in its infancy. True, our understanding will improve with time, but not in the direction of salvaging a literal reading of the Noah’s Flood myth.
 
StAnastasia said:
No, it’s not out. And recalibration would only make Homo sapiens older, not younger as a species.
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Calibrating the Mitochondrial Clock

…Regardless of the cause, evolutionists are most concerned about the effect of a faster mutation rate.
For example, researchers have calculated that “mitochondrial Eve”–the woman whose mtDNA was ancestral to that in all living people–lived 100,000 to 200,000 years ago in Africa. Using the new clock, she would be a mere 6000 years old.
 
buffalo said:
…Regardless of the cause, evolutionists are most concerned about the effect of a faster mutation rate.
For example, researchers have calculated that “mitochondrial Eve”–the woman whose mtDNA was ancestral to that in all living people–lived 100,000 to 200,000 years ago in Africa. Using the new clock, she would be a mere 6000 years old.
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Buffalo, you know resistance is futile. You and the other YECS and IDers will be assimilated. You cannot hold out forever!
 
Peter_John said:
I’m not sure where the ancient astronauts fit into all this, but I expect they altered some genetic specimens with bio-engineered stock from the 12th Planet, otherwise they would not have had enough skilled workers to build the pyramids and carve the landing field markers in Nacza. Only the Hopi and Maya know for sure. See how it all fits together and makes perfect sense?👍
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I was visiting Mt. Shasta in northern California recently, and heard about the Lemurians, or little people who live beneath that mountain. They have something to do with the Nazca lines in Peru, the Egyptian Pyramids, Noah’s Flood, and Area 51 in Nevada. They receive celestial food and supplies from UFOs that visiting the mountain under the cloak of lenticular clouds. Noah dropped off the grizzly bears there on his way home form the flood.
 
StAnastasia said:
I was visiting Mt. Shasta in northern California recently, and heard about the Lemurians, or little people who live beneath that mountain. They have something to do with the Nazca lines in Peru, the Egyptian Pyramids, Noah’s Flood, and Area 51 in Nevada. They receive celestial food and supplies from UFOs that visiting the mountain under the cloak of lenticular clouds. Noah dropped off the grizzly bears there on his way home form the flood.
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Growing up near a National Forest with a big gully with a strong cold downdraft continually, and ice even in the summer, I thought it might be a giant air intake for an alien base hidden beneath the mountain.The alien vessels disguised themselves as commuter planes in the airspace of a nearby small airport. There must have been a huge cover-up of this, since I could not find any evidence of it.👍
 
buffalo said:
Ever see this?

Ancient Chinese Characters
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Thanks, buffalo,

I’m an amateur astronomer.
At the edges of our solar system are the Oort Cloud and Kuiper Belt, both regions containing cold comets and iced over small and medium sized bodies. There’s lots of water in those two regions of our solar system. I doubt any of that water contributed to the flood, because I know of no way for it to move from our solar system’s outer edges to the inner orbits, of which Earth is on the third inner orbit.
But, I do think it’s possible for either our solar system to have orbited through a cloud of water vapor, or for the cloud of water vapor to have moved through our solar system.

God loves you,
Don
 
Peter_John said:
Inspace water would more likely be ice like a comet. The Genesis descriptions of the Earth before and after the flood, as I describe, suggest more water held in the upper atmosphere at the time, and no rain.

Even with what you describe, the flood would have been more global turbulence covering the Earth than complete immersion simultaneously over the whole planet to a depth of nearly six miles. Global turbulence would meet the “rains descended and the floods came” described in Genesis. It doesn’t say the rain caused the floods, but that they arrived at once. It is also the first time I know of the Bible mentions rain.

I believe there was a flood. I do not believe it had to have happened exactly as the Bible describes for the Bible to be true. I do not believe it had to be global by our standards in order to be true. It just had to cover wht all humans then living would have considered the extent of their world, and wiped out all but those in the Ark. The effect is the same. All the land anyone knew was washed clean, and all the people who existed then were killed.

I believe it would have happened long before the Bible says as well, because of China.
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Good morning, Peter John,

The Bible Stories in Genesis, Exodus, Joshua and Judges have always enthralled me, along with the accounts in the books of Kings and Chronicles.

One summer, of '79, I think, I read and recorded the different tables of creation, births and deaths in Genesis. I called that information my Genesis Tables and over the years developed it into a Chronology that extends from Eden to today. In that chronology, the flood occurred around BC 2716, give or take 40 years. The Introduction to my chronology allows that there’s a misplaced millenium, which would make the flood happening in BC 3500, but because of the other data, I postulate the BC 2716 date for the Deluge.

Just for the record, we cannot make firm dates, because there is no time mentioned before Adam and Eve were expelled from the Garden. I learned that we can date only from the Exile of Adam and Eve, nothing from before that.

God loves you,
Don
 
buffalo said:
See this - the genealogies would put Adam around 10,000 BC. How would this fit?

Interpreting the Genealogies of Genesis
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Good morning, buffalo,

Interesting.
Let me pull some data together, here.

In National Geographic Magazine, I read a report on how the Mediterranean basin had been a giant valley and in prehistoric times the natural dam at the Straits of Gibraltar broke and the Atlantic flooded in and all the ancient civilizations were destroyed by that flood which produced the Mediterranean Sea.

And, on this thread, I have learned about the Black Sea flood.

I’ve noticed that Genesis 1,1 describes a watery planet.

A long time ago, I read an account of a Greek talking to an Egyptian priest. I forget which one was named Solon. But, the information in their conversation has the Earth having been destroyed three times by flood and twice by fire, at that time.

Let’s say that Gen 1,1 describes the Earth after the second flood. That makes Noah’'s account the third flood.

I think that the Mediterranean Sea was flooded about BC 11,000. That leaves roughly 8,000 years until Noah’s flood, by my count. The Black Sea flood could have happened during those 8,000 years. Or, the Black Sea flood could have happened before BC 11,000. Either way, that accounts for Solon’s three floods.

Just my two cents’ worth.

God loves all of you,
Don
 
Peter_John said:
Growing up near a National Forest with a big gully with a strong cold downdraft continually, and ice even in the summer, I thought it might be a giant air intake for an alien base hidden beneath the mountain.The alien vessels disguised themselves as commuter planes in the airspace of a nearby small airport. There must have been a huge cover-up of this, since I could not find any evidence of it.👍
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Good morning, Peter John,

:rolleyes: You left out Big Foot. 😛 Are the Sasquatch/Yeti stories anecdotal evidence for a fallen race from a fallen civilization?
What about reports of an account by Admiral Perry, that he found a subterranean civilization under the Barent’s Sea?
And, don’t forget Immanuel Velikovsky.😉

There’s a plethora of other accounts to our history that the academics leave out of the existing curricula. :cool:

So much for fringe subjects. 😃
I forget which poster doesn’t get wrapped up in the details to the Deluge account, but I sure like his attitude. Yep, it happened.

God loves all of you,
Don
 
StAnastasia said:
No, it’s not in its infancy. True, our understanding will improve with time, but not in the direction of salvaging a literal reading of the Noah’s Flood myth.
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You simply cannot say that. Knowledge and facts change all the time. For example, the way we see the world today is quite obviously not the way the world has always been, and when one thinks of a global flood they must take into account enough water to cover Mt. Everest at over 29-thousand feet (a seemingly impossible event). However, no matter what we think we know now, we simply do not know when the flood took place, nor do we know how the world was configured in those days. We see the world today, we ponder how things work today, and we extroplate backwards making grand assumptions (i.e. Mt. Everest had to be 29-thousand feet high back then because it is so today) and those assumptions can easily be wrong since we are basing on what we see and know today.

I think God has just a bit of an edge on our intellectual abilities…would you not agree?
 
donsnow said:
Thanks, buffalo,

I’m an amateur astronomer.
At the edges of our solar system are the Oort Cloud and Kuiper Belt, both regions containing cold comets and iced over small and medium sized bodies. There’s lots of water in those two regions of our solar system. I doubt any of that water contributed to the flood, because I know of no way for it to move from our solar system’s outer edges to the inner orbits, of which Earth is on the third inner orbit.
But, I do think it’s possible for either our solar system to have orbited through a cloud of water vapor, or for the cloud of water vapor to have moved through our solar system.

God loves you,
Don
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I was simply showing that StA’s claim that there is no water vapor in space is wrong.

Now here is something interesting about the edge of the solar system and its effect on what we actually see. Does the frothiness change the light we observe?

A Big Surprise from the Edge of the Solar System
 
donsnow said:
Good morning, buffalo,

Interesting.
Let me pull some data together, here.

In National Geographic Magazine, I read a report on how the Mediterranean basin had been a giant valley and in prehistoric times the natural dam at the Straits of Gibraltar broke and the Atlantic flooded in and all the ancient civilizations were destroyed by that flood which produced the Mediterranean Sea.

And, on this thread, I have learned about the Black Sea flood.

I’ve noticed that Genesis 1,1 describes a watery planet.

A long time ago, I read an account of a Greek talking to an Egyptian priest. I forget which one was named Solon. But, the information in their conversation has the Earth having been destroyed three times by flood and twice by fire, at that time.

Let’s say that Gen 1,1 describes the Earth after the second flood. That makes Noah’'s account the third flood.

I think that the Mediterranean Sea was flooded about BC 11,000. That leaves roughly 8,000 years until Noah’s flood, by my count. The Black Sea flood could have happened during those 8,000 years. Or, the Black Sea flood could have happened before BC 11,000. Either way, that accounts for Solon’s three floods.

Just my two cents’ worth.

God loves all of you,
Don
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It is now clear that the earth has suffered catastrophies. Uniformatarianism is not the solution to the geological record.

The Mystery of the Megaflood

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Paleocurrents
 
irishpatrick said:
You simply cannot say that. Knowledge and facts change all the time. For example, the way we see the world today is quite obviously not the way the world has always been, and when one thinks of a global flood they must take into account enough water to cover Mt. Everest at over 29-thousand feet (a seemingly impossible event). However, no matter what we think we know now, we simply do not know when the flood took place, nor do we know how the world was configured in those days. We see the world today, we ponder how things work today, and we extroplate backwards making grand assumptions (i.e. Mt. Everest had to be 29-thousand feet high back then because it is so today) and those assumptions can easily be wrong since we are basing on what we see and know today.

I think God has just a bit of an edge on our intellectual abilities…would you not agree?
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If the ocean ridges are filled in the water level on the earth would be around 9000 feet higher than now. In addition, there is enough water as a huge ocean has been found under China as well as the huge amount tied up in pressurized rocks.

One other point - we do not know the height of Mt Everest at the time of the flood.
 
buffalo said:
If the ocean ridges are filled in the water level on the earth would be around 9000 feet higher than now. In addition, there is enough water as a huge ocean has been found under China as well as the huge amount tied up in pressurized rocks.

One other point - we do not know the height of Mt Everest at the time of the flood.
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That is what I was saying. We do not know the height of Mt. Everest at the time of the flood, nor can we date the flood. We just do not know and it is clear to me that God wants it to be shrouded in mystery–faith is the key.
 
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