Churches rejecting science altogether

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dnar said:
Human beings are not animals. They were created in the image of God something animals were not.
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Biologically, we are animals. The only difference of kind rather than degree is that we supposedly have souls, and animals do not.
 
Shredderbeam said:
Biologically, we are animals. The only difference of kind rather than degree is that we supposedly have souls, and animals do not.
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And due to its limitations to the physical world, biology is unable to explain the spiritual. And also due to this limitation it cannot deny the spiritual.
 
donsnow said:
kbachler,

I think what we have here is too similar people (you and me) who are alike enough that there’s a personality conflict.

So, I’m going to cool off. Then, and only then, I’ll review these posts and see if I still need to put you on my ignore list.

God loves you,
Don
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I’ve never put someone on the ignore list. But donsnow, I’m nothing like you.
 
dnar said:
Human beings are not animals. They were created in the image of God something animals were not.
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Please list the observable differences that indicate that human beings are not animals.
 
davidv said:
And due to its limitations to the physical world, biology is unable to explain the spiritual. And also due to this limitation it cannot deny the spiritual.
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It cannot deny the spiritual, but I would first need evidence that the spiritual existed at all for that to be a concern.

At any rate, I was only disagreeing with dnar’s opinion that we are not animals.
 
PerfectTiming said:
I believe there is a quote from a Pope that does say it is not contrary to faith to believe it is in soul not body that we are created in the image of God, and it is not unreasonable to suggest that the body was created through evolutionary means and in this way it could be argued that in at least a physical sense humans are animals.
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Well, PerfectTiming,

Your families, citizen, may have evolved from animals. My families, citizen, have not…we were all created in God Most High the Holy Trinity’s image. 🙂

God loves you,
Don
 
Shredderbeam said:
Biologically, we are animals. The only difference of kind rather than degree is that we supposedly have souls, and animals do not.
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Hi, Shredderbeam,

That idea that you’re quoting came from, I’m sure, Darwinism and is still found in Neo-Darwinism. The concept of humans as animal is derived from Darwin’s theory, “Descent of Species.”

That theory has no credibility with me. The data that Darwin used to promulgate his descent of species claim in macroevolution has been reported as misinterpreted. Links to this information have been provided in earlier posts on this thread.

God loves you,
Don
 
kbachler said:
I’ve never put someone on the ignore list. But donsnow, I’m nothing like you.
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kbackler,

I have put two different individuals on these forums on my ignore list. It it not lightly done. I’m still thinking about it.

Maybe I was precipitous, in comparing you and me.

God loves you,
Don
 
PerfectTiming said:
I believe there is a quote from a Pope that does say it is not contrary to faith to believe it is in soul not body that we are created in the image of God, and it is not unreasonable to suggest that the body was created through evolutionary means and in this way it could be argued that in at least a physical sense humans are animals.
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Not exactly. This sounds more like a media sound bite.
Would it be possible to narrow down the source, please?

Catholicism does not teach we are two natures, an animal plus a soul in the image of God. A person is a single nature, that is, you and I are an unique unification of the rational/corporeal; material/non-material; spirit/matter; described as soul/body.
 
donsnow said:
Hi, Shredderbeam,

That idea that you’re quoting came from, I’m sure, Darwinism and is still found in Neo-Darwinism. The concept of humans as animal is derived from Darwin’s theory, “Descent of Species.”

That theory has no credibility with me. The data that Darwin used to promulgate his descent of species claim in macroevolution has been reported as misinterpreted. Links to this information have been provided in earlier posts on this thread.

God loves you,
Don
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I skimmed through the thread, but I can’t find the links.

You don’t have to believe in evolution to believe that humans are, biologically, animals. We are primates, after all.
davidv said:
Why are you artificially limiting the evidence to the observable?
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Is there another kind?
 
grannymh said:
Not exactly. This sounds more like a media sound bite.
Would it be possible to narrow down the source, please?

Catholicism does not teach we are two natures, an animal plus a soul in the image of God. A person is a single nature, that is, you and I are an unique unification of the rational/corporeal; material/non-material; spirit/matter; described as soul/body.
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“The Church does not forbid that…research and discussions, on the part of men experienced in both fields, take place with regard to the doctrine of evolution, in as far as it inquires into the origin of the human body as coming from pre-existent and living matter.” Humani Generis - Pope Pius XII

“In his encyclical Humani Generis (1950), my predecessor Pius XII has already affirmed that there is no conflict between evolution and the doctrine of the faith regarding man and his vocation, provided that we do not lose sight of certain fixed points…Today, more than a half-century after the appearance of that encyclical, some new findings lead us toward the recognition of evolution as more than a hypothesis. In fact it is remarkable that this theory has had progressively greater influence on the spirit of researchers, following a series of discoveries in different scholarly disciplines. The convergence in the results of these independent studies – which was neither planned nor sought – constitutes in itself a significant argument in favor of the theory.” Pope John Paul II

Our body must be separate to our soul - otherwise when we die, how is that our bodies decay on earth yet our souls do not decay and move to heaven/hell? If they were one and the same then when we die, something about us would be torn in to and we would not be complete either in heaven or on earth.
 
PerfectTiming said:
“The Church does not forbid that…research and discussions, on the part of men experienced in both fields, take place with regard to the doctrine of evolution, in as far as it inquires into the origin of the human body as coming from pre-existent and living matter.” Humani Generis - Pope Pius XII

“In his encyclical Humani Generis (1950), my predecessor Pius XII has already affirmed that there is no conflict between evolution and the doctrine of the faith regarding man and his vocation, provided that we do not lose sight of certain fixed points…Today, more than a half-century after the appearance of that encyclical, some new findings lead us toward the recognition of evolution as more than a hypothesis. In fact it is remarkable that this theory has had progressively greater influence on the spirit of researchers, following a series of discoveries in different scholarly disciplines. The convergence in the results of these independent studies – which was neither planned nor sought – constitutes in itself a significant argument in favor of the theory.” Pope John Paul II

Our body must be separate to our soul - otherwise when we die, how is that our bodies decay on earth yet our souls do not decay and move to heaven/hell? If they were one and the same then when we die, something about us would be torn in to and we would not be complete either in heaven or on earth.
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In my humble opinion, the full, complete quotes plus their context in these documents are not saying what post 157 implies.

The Catechism of the Catholic Church, Second Edition does a far better job of explaining the Catholic position (which is different from other religions) regarding our human nature as inherited from Adam and Eve.

Basic Catholic teaching **regarding persons created in the Image of God **
and the profound unity of soul and body
is found in the
Catechism of the Catholic Church, Second Edition, ISBN: 1-57455-109-4
Paragraphs 355-421.

The good news of Jesus Christ follows in Paragraph 422, etc.

One can put the word paragraph and its number in the Catechism’s search bar in link
www.scborromeo.org/ccc.htm

Entering topics, such as soul, is also very useful since the Catechism does expand on the basics and implications. . Do check out the references in the margins and in the Index.

When one enters a paragraph number, like “paragraph 355”, and then clicks on the opening line, CCC Search Result - Paragraph # 355 the following is under the paragraph:

»
»Table of Contents
»
 
donsnow said:
Hi, Shredderbeam,

That idea that you’re quoting came from, I’m sure, Darwinism and is still found in Neo-Darwinism. The concept of humans as animal is derived from Darwin’s theory, “Descent of Species.”

That theory has no credibility with me. The data that Darwin used to promulgate his descent of species claim in macroevolution has been reported as misinterpreted. Links to this information have been provided in earlier posts on this thread.

God loves you,
Don
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Humans are animals. We clearly are not plants or fungus. Forget Darwin, just look at the entities. Ask your doctor next time you visit if you are an animal. Be open to the truth.

The misinformation you quoted in this thread on macro-evolution is known to be incorrect, and is generally a misuse of the term macro-evolution. Interspecial change has been witnessed. We have also witnessed that some speciation derives from “immature development” of an animal - a change in protein synthesis rather than in DNA. (DNA messages are interpreted differently rather than changed.) As mutuation then occurs speciation occurs. Dogs and wolves appear to be an example of this.
 
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