Church's view on same sex adoption?

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Coptic,

And it’s interesting to note that having the heavy millstone hung around the neck and thrown to the bottom of the sea is better than what would happen to someone who causes a child to sin (if they don’t repent before they die). Jesus is saying that the punishment is worse than anything anyone can imagine. 🙂
My brother,

Hold your thoughts so that Warrior Monk can tell us what it is Warrior Monk is thinking otherwise Warrior Monk’s thinking remains unknown and as you know we are all called to

repent=change your mind

and we are all called

To be not conformed to this world but to be transformed by the renewal of our minds and to know what it is our minds are in need of teaching we need to know what it is we know because reading alone cannot provide that insight as you know…

do you know what you are reading? For how can I know unless I am taught…🙂
 
So, what is your solution to dealing with abandoned children? Or will you continue to talk about what should not be done with them, and whatever happens to them is their problem?
There may be many solutions but what is important is that evil solutions ought not be done.
 
Let us put the solution on hold for a moment and tell me your understanding of this.
but whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to stumble, it would be better for him to have a heavy millstone hung around his neck, and to be drowned in the depth of the sea.
Are you stating that leaving children in there abandoned state is keeping them from stumbling? God is going to be the last thing on their minds. I hope you have have a strong neck and an oxygen tank…
 
My brother,

Hold your thoughts so that Warrior Monk can tell us what it is Warrior Monk is thinking otherwise Warrior Monk’s thinking remains unknown and as you know we are all called to

repent=change your mind

and we are all called

To be not conformed to this world but to be transformed by the renewal of our minds and to know what it is our minds are in need of teaching we need to know what it is we know because reading alone cannot provide that insight as you know…

do you know what you are reading? For how can I know unless I am taught…🙂
I could care less what anybody thinks of me. God made all types of people, including ones that care about abandoned children, and others that “keep 'em away from the gays.”
 
There may be many solutions but what is important is that evil solutions ought not be done.
Hey, someone actually mentioned that their could be solution. At least someone has a heart in this thread and doesn’t show utter indifference to the needy.
 
I don’t know much about any adoption agencies or how they run but I do know that there is not a ‘one size fits all’ solution when it comes to adoption.

The lack of a father figure or mother figure should most definatly be taken into account before adopting out children without it being any kind of discrimination.

To support the idea that homosexual couples should adopt to create their families is absurd.

The idea that homosexuals can use IVF with the use of a thrid party to have bilogical children is extremely abusive towards a child. It is bringing a child into the world with absolute intention to deprive that child of a mother or father, not because they think it will benefit the child but to selfishly benefit themselves.

Children are not commodities.

Thank you for reading
Josh
 
Are you stating that leaving children in there abandoned state is keeping them from stumbling? God is going to be the last thing on their minds. I hope you have have a strong neck and an oxygen tank…
No,

You provideded a notion of understanding about what would happen to those that harm children and in 3 seperate gospels it is mentioned. In two, did you not notice…little ones that believe and little ones that believe in me…

Christ is asking you to look at the little ones that believe and believe in Him…do you see that?
 
I could care less what anybody thinks of me. God made all types of people, including ones that care about abandoned children, and others that “keep 'em away from the gays.”
So,

There are those that abandon children

and

Those that keep em away from gays

Is this what you believe?
 
No,

You provideded a notion of understanding about what would happen to those that harm children and in 3 seperate gospels it is mentioned. In two, did you not notice…little ones that believe and little ones that believe in me…
Of course I did.
Christ is asking you to look at the little ones that believe and believe in Him…do you see that?
Sure. But you have to realize that everyone is not Christian.

Once of the reasons it is believed that China is making adoption more difficult is that more abandoned children are being adopted within its borders. In 99.9% of the cases, neither the child or the parents “believe in Him.” Can I assume that you object to atheist Chinese parents adopting atheist Chinese children?
 
So,

There are those that abandon children

and

Those that keep em away from gays

Is this what you believe?
You might want to work on your reading comprehension. You are speaking in absolute terms, I was not. Is there any particular reason you are taking non-absolute terminology and making it absolute? To make a point, maybe?
 
Of course I did.

Sure. But you have to realize that everyone is not Christian.

Once of the reasons it is believed that China is making adoption more difficult is that more abandoned children are being adopted within its borders. In 99.9% of the cases, neither the child or the parents “believe in Him.” Can I assume that you object to atheist Chinese parents adopting atheist Chinese children?
Funny that you brought up adoption in China where, as you say, 99.99 of the cases, neither parents or child are Christians.

china.org.cn/english/LivinginChina/184088.htm
The CCAA shall not identify prospective adoptive referrals for homosexuals. Legally, the Marriage Law of the People’s Republic of China recognizes only families formed by marriage of opposite sex and does not recognize the legality of homosexual families, and the homosexual families are, therefore, not protected by laws. From the Chinese medical point of view, the China Mental Disorder Classification and Diagnosis Standard classifies homosexuality as sexual obstruction, belonging to psychiatric disease of the kind of sexual psychological barrier. In terms of the Chinese traditional ethics and customs and habits, homosexuality is an act violating public morality and therefore not recognized by the society. In accordance with the principle that adoption shall not violate social ethics as set forth in the Adoption Law, foreign homosexuals are not allowed to adopt children in China.

(China-ccaa.org October 16, 2006)
The Chinese counterpart of the APA DSM regards homosexuality as a psychiatric or sexual psychological problem. Chinese society at large believe that homosexuality are acts that violate public morality, although Beijing and Hong Kong reportedly provide dependent residency status to the same-sex partners of legal residents, such as expats.
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Of course I did.

Sure. But you have to realize that everyone is not Christian.

Once of the reasons it is believed that China is making adoption more difficult is that more abandoned children are being adopted within its borders. In 99.9% of the cases, neither the child or the parents “believe in Him.” Can I assume that you object to atheist Chinese parents adopting atheist Chinese children?
When I was in The People’s republic I noticed that they left babies with cleft lip and palate to die…I also noticed that they were dirt poor. On the other hand as many bicycles as a I saw I also saw a few Mercedes.

I see that you have generalized the conversation to a broader scope and the issue is sins against Chastity that would include Homosexuality.

Concerning Athiests, then the Book of Romans would have that covered…they may be Athiests based on circumstance however a mom/woman and dad/man that has the law written on their hearts even though they may not believe in God, as you say, are better than two united constantly sinning against Chastity…

You may not know this, but while in China, there were many listening to what we call Christian music and their are Churches in China, although state run…
 
You might want to work on your reading comprehension. You are speaking in absolute terms, I was not. Is there any particular reason you are taking non-absolute terminology and making it absolute? To make a point, maybe?
I addressed your sentence that was stated as absolute. If you want other than that then state something as other than absolute. You get what you give.
 
Funny that you brought up adoption in China where, as you say, 99.99 of the cases, neither parents or child are Christians.

china.org.cn/english/LivinginChina/184088.htm

The Chinese counterpart of the APA DSM regards homosexuality as a psychiatric or sexual psychological problem. Chinese society at large believe that homosexuality are acts that violate public morality, although Beijing and Hong Kong reportedly provide dependent residency status to the same-sex partners of legal residents, such as expats.
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and China has done a much better job with the addiction problem than the 12 step religion of AA…after the opium wars…problem solved…perhaps China has potential for the world not having addiction and calming the homosexual problem…
 
-Quote (Originally by Mark121359)—
When you realize that the Catholic Church teaches *_authoritatively _*that homosexuality is an intrinsic evil (And I can’t emphasize that enough!!!) then you should without a doubt see why the Church cannot and should not advocate placing a child into this situation!

So now you are saying that the homosexual condition is evil? My understanding was the homosexual sex is disordered, not the individual. You are saying that a chaste homosexual is still intrinsically evil…
 
-Quote (Originally by Mark121359)—
When you realize that the Catholic Church teaches *_authoritatively _*that homosexuality is an intrinsic evil (And I can’t emphasize that enough!!!) then you should without a doubt see why the Church cannot and should not advocate placing a child into this situation!

So now you are saying that the homosexual condition is evil? My understanding was the homosexual sex is disordered, not the individual. You are saying that a chaste homosexual is still intrinsically evil…
I wholeheartedly agree with Mark121359.

He is not saying or implying at all that the homosexual condition is evil. He is saying that the sexual acts of homosexuality are intrinsically evil and thus why it is wrong to place children with a homosexual couple. A chaste homosexual is no different to a single parent and therefore would be treated as such when it comes to these issues.

Please consider this - A Child also needs role models, which are the parents to mimic, whether people want them to or not, they will mimic them and their lifestyle if they are homosexual or heterosexual, because it’s all they know, there is no magical choice that they can make, because their choice is bias, with heterosexual parents their choice will be bias towards heterosexuality regardless if they are homosexual or heterosexual (they will try heterosexuality before they realise whether they are heterosexual or homosexual), same with homosexual parents, their choice will be bias towards homosexuality regardless if they are homosexual or heterosexual (they will try homosexuality before they realise whether they are heterosexual or homosexual), they mimic their parents in how to live their life by what they do, kids are very observant.

Please consider this:
A) The nature of homosexuality means using your organs in a manner they are not designed to be used for (this is why we say that homosexual desires are disordered and immoral desires to act on)

B) The greatest role models or influences in a Child’s life are their parents, not what they say, but what they do. (Example when a parent say’s to their Child “Don’t Smoke” the chances of that Child smoking are greatly increased simply because the parents smoke)

Every child should have a right to a mother and father when it comes to adoption, why do you think some children should have that and others have less when it comes to adopting out children?

Children are not commodities.

We do not use “supply and demand” when it comes to adopting children, if the demand for healthy heterosexual parents adopting children goes down, while the supply of children remains or increases, we should not lower the standards for adoption (price level) when it comes to adopting out children.

Children should have a right to a mother and father, if the demand doesn’t meet the supply than you should not reduce the price of adoption, the price being the standards for adoption, the standards of children having a right to a mother and father.

Thank you for reading
Josh
 
I see that you have generalized the conversation to a broader scope and the issue is sins against Chastity that would include Homosexuality.
Actually, I did not, you did that. I was addressing a specific point you made.
Christ is asking you to look at the little ones that believe and believe in Him…do you see that?
And you subsequently shot your own argument out the window by stating that that it isn’t always the case have to “believe in Him.”
 
I addressed your sentence that was stated as absolute. If you want other than that then state something as other than absolute. You get what you give.
“Some” and “others” are not “all,” which is the reason why I used those words. I would have used “either” and “or” if I intended to be all-inclusive.
 
Please consider this - A Child also needs role models, which are the parents to mimic, whether people want them to or not, they will mimic them and their lifestyle if they are homosexual or heterosexual, because it’s all they know, there is no magical choice that they can make, because their choice is bias, with heterosexual parents their choice will be bias towards heterosexuality regardless if they are homosexual or heterosexual (they will try heterosexuality before they realise whether they are heterosexual or homosexual), same with homosexual parents, their choice will be bias towards homosexuality regardless if they are homosexual or heterosexual (they will try homosexuality before they realise whether they are heterosexual or homosexual), they mimic their parents in how to live their life by what they do, kids are very observant.
Now given this, just imagine what those children, often minority or disabled, who never have any parents, and are bounced between foster homes and orphanages, some of whom are sexual, physically, and verbally abused, turn out. Apparently keeping them in this situation is far better then putting them in a stable, but less than ideal situation. I’m sure even with all that neglect and abuse, they’ll turn out just fine…
 
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