Cleveland considers making chapel 'less Catholic'

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CLEVELAND (AP) - Officials at the Cleveland airport say they’re considering moving its chapel because some visitors say the space is “too Catholic.”
Cleveland Hopkins International Airport rents the large space to the Catholic Diocese of Cleveland for $1,200 a year. But as officials plan to renovate that concourse, they are talking with the diocese about moving the space or perhaps making it less denomination specific.
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The Rev. Charles Doerpers says the diocese is open to making the chapel more inclusive to other faiths. But he also thinks money is the issue and fears the airport only wants the space for retail shops.
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The American Civil Liberties Union has long complained about the space’s Catholic-specific space.[there’s a surprise]
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Information from: The Plain Dealer, cleveland.com
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If the contract was signed with the airport understanding that the Diocese of Cleveland would be using it to create a chapel, I would think they are required, at least, to allow the current lease to end before asking that the space be used in a different way. Asking the Diocese of Cleveland to create a space that is “less Catholic”? :confused: How insane.
 
Eden said:
If the contract was signed with the airport understanding that the Diocese of Cleveland would be using it to create a chapel, I would think they are required, at least, to allow the current lease to end before asking that the space be used in a different way. Asking the Diocese of Cleveland to create a space that is “less Catholic”? :confused: How insane.
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You can always renegotiate a lease before it is up, that is what is going on here.

I think they want the chapel to be used by more people. Right now other Christian sects are apparently turned off by the current setup. In the end they will come to some good middle point with the Diocese of Cleveland to satisfy both parties and have the chapel used by more air travelers.
 
If the Diocese of Cleveland is renting the space, it should be allowed to make it as Catholic as it chooses. I’m fairly sure this is a red herring and the real issue is cold cash. Another boutique selling cologne is just what a modern airport needs. Who needs God as long as you smell nice?
 
Tsuwano said:
If the Diocese of Cleveland is renting the space, it should be allowed to make it as Catholic as it chooses. I’m fairly sure this is a red herring and the real issue is cold cash. Another boutique selling cologne is just what a modern airport needs. Who needs God as long as you smell nice?
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:rotfl: :rotfl:
 
aimee said:
I think they should make it More Catholic:thumbsup:
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Indeed. I was in the International Airport in Rome a few years back, and as I recall they had a quite Catholic-looking chapel in there, no problems.
 
I never even knew the airport had a chapel. I don’t know how many times I spent bored out of my mind up there waiting for somebody’s plane to land. :rolleyes:
 
Tsuwano said:
If the Diocese of Cleveland is renting the space, it should be allowed to make it as Catholic as it chooses.
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No kidding,

It would be the legal equivalent of asking the McDonald’s in the Concorse to look more like a Burger King.
 
Tsuwano said:
Another boutique selling cologne is just what a modern airport needs. Who needs God as long as you smell nice?
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Perhaps if the chapel ministry could find a better way to market their incense products?
 
NewUlm1976_2000 said:
You can always renegotiate a lease before it is up, that is what is going on here.
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You can ask to renogotiate a lease bu the dicocese is under no obligationto do so
I think they want the chapel to be used by more people. Right now other Christian sects are apparently turned off by the current setup. In the end they will come to some good middle point with the Diocese of Cleveland to satisfy both parties and have the chapel used by more air travelers.
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Perhaps the best solution would be for the other denominations rent their own space.
 
You guys don’t get it.

They aren’t simply negotiating, they are demanding, but in a legal way.

They are simply saying, open up for others or this lease will end.

There.
 
Harmony1988 said:
You guys don’t get it.

They aren’t simply negotiating, they are demanding, but in a legal way.

They are simply saying, open up for others or this lease will end.

There.
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Sounds like something that the courts will have to resolve HOWEVER unless Cleveland can prove the Diocese is in violation of the terms of their lease they would not have much of a case. I would love to see their lawyers trying to define what “less Catholic” is.
 
estesbob said:
Sounds like something that the courts will have to resolve HOWEVER unless Cleveland can prove the Diocese is in violation of the terms of their lease they would not have much of a case. I would love to see their lawyers trying to define what “less Catholic” is.
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You still don’t get it. They diocese is not in violation of the terms. The airport or whoever the authority is, is letting the diocese know, 'since your contract is nearly expired, would you consider making the chapel ‘less catholic’ so that in the future…hint hint.

Their lawyers don’t have to do anything, once the lease ends, if the diocese doesn’t make the chapel less catholic, then what happens is it won’t be renewed for them. What’s better, arguing over this and then getting kicked out or indeed making the chapel less catholic and keeping it open.

I rather have a chapel that is less catholic, than have it turn into a perfume store. At least whilst it’s less catholic, there will be Christians together in one place praying and that’s better than a perfume store.
 
I wonder how many travelers actually patronize the chapel in the Cleveland airport? Maybe it’s not such a bad idea for the Diocese to give it up. Not only is the idea of a chapel not appreciated by the airport authorities, but maybe the money could be better spent elsewhere. Why not a chapel at the local Greyhound bus station? It’s true that fewer people take the bus or train these days, but those who do take the bus usually have more time and less diversions in a bus station and may be more willing to sit and pray in a leisurely way. How about opening a chapel at a highway rest area or at a busy truck stop? My point is that if the airport does not wish to have a chapel, then perhaps the Church should shake the dust from its feet and find a place that is more open. Maybe the Holy Spirit is calling the Church to ministry elsewhere.
 
Being from Cleveland myself, I have used the airport many times… I have been in the chaple on more than one occassion. To be honest, I didn’t know it WAS Catholic. I have for years thought it to be non-denominational.

Its a scam for more money.
 
Is Mass celebrated at the chapel? If so, I’m assuming the diocese rented the space to accomodate travelling Catholics who couldn’t make it to Mass otherwise. Other denominations don’t have the specific Sunday obligation that we have, when they’re travelling they don’t have to (reasonably) attempt to go to church that Sunday (not to mention Holy Days of Obligation). All faiths are welcome to use the chapel. If they don’t like how “Catholic” it is, then why can’t they just pray elsewhere? So many Christians these days are of the “Jesus is everywhere not just in a church” variety, anyway, I think it’s all just a bunch of hooha (is that a legal term? 😛 ) to take the space for something else, as someone else mentioned.

In Christ,

Ellen
 
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